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[La Lil'One] - 07:48pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#1 of 212)
"...and giving us adequate notice to make our goodbyes."
Actually that is a nice touch..they could have just pulled the plug.
"And thanks to Dave Gin for his efforts in moderating the discussions."
Yeah, Dave has done a pretty good job, and he jumped in the talks every now and then, too...I appreciated his 10 minute
warnings when I was getting too nasty.
[_Me_] - 07:48pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#2 of 212)
I have to second most of this, ElPrimo.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 07:59pm Mar 19,
2001 EST (#3 of 212)
This thread is a good idea...
I think it would be a mistake to try to do it all at once, though.
I'd like to make my first apology here and now to JaneD. I called her a bitch one night.
JaneD: I'm sorry you're a bitch.
Wait.
That didn't come out right.
Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 08:00pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#4 of 212)
Primo
Your right dude, it's time to say you're sorry so I want to tell all of you conservative turd's and you know who you are, if
I called you a fucking moron I'm sorry…
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:06pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#5 of 212)
LOL...
passions rule. But I have no animosity. I will confess right now that the poster who caused my skin to crawl the most is
GW. No doubt this post will make him feel good and validate his efforts. I only hope I irritated him (and other
conservatives) as much as he irritated me. :-)
Best wishes to all until we cross swords somewhere else.
Is Our Children Posting? [N. Tufnel] - 08:14pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#6 of 212)
JaneD: I'm sorry you're a bitch.
Wait. That didn't come out right.
LOL
3/31/01-Tear the goalposts down, boyz! [babblingbrook] - 08:19pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#7 of 212)
I have enjoyed so much about PF. I wish everyone a fair breeze and a smooth sea.
Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 08:34pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#8 of 212)
Same to you bb…
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:36pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#9 of 212)
I also want to ask Ferret Mike forgiveness for giving him and the other Greenz such a hard time.
Heck, they didn't do it on purpose and I'd have a hard time admitting I helped Bush get elected also. :-)
Beannachtam na Feile Padraig! [SherrieG] - 08:37pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#10 of 212)
This Place has POSSIBILITIES....
GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 08:41pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#11 of 212)
Well, you never called me a liar, Primo.
I think the expression you used was "lying sack of fly-encrusted Republican shit."
It was one of those terms of endearment......
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:48pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#12 of 212)
Yes, but that's how us guys are, GW. We use terms of endearment like that. Especially with our best friends.
But don't ever use that type of language with your wife. Even if she is your best friend. Women just don't understand.
:-)
GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 08:58pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#13 of 212)
ElPrimo: And I want to apologize for calling you an asshole mother fucker piece of shit sonof a bitch goddamn
pea-brained shitkicking Democrat.
I only say that to people I like.
Whoever "they" are, they OWE me. [Rebel Rebel] - 09:10pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#14 of 212)
Well, I'd like to apologise to everyone whom I neglected to offend, harass, diss, or otherwise put down during my brief
sojourn upon the boards.
If that's you, I'm really sorry about that. And up yours.
GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 09:14pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#15 of 212)
LOL, rebel!
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 09:54pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#16 of 212)
I really do want to aplogize for telling Firecracker and Libby to Kiss my ass last night. Those are two pretty decent
posters.
(I think last weeks Stock Market dive really had me upset...that and a few beers made the natural asshole come out)
Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 09:58pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#17 of 212)
Thanks Primo. I really didn't think that much about it. This last election was difficult and has had a lot of us liberals at
each other's throats. The stockmarket doesn't help either...I know exactly how you feel! :)
Milk trucks: Tanks for the mammaries... [Rebel Rebel] - 10:01pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#18 of 212)
"that and a few beers made the natural asshole come out"
For some reason, the phrase "made the natural asshole come out" conjures up the weirdest mental image...
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 10:19pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#19 of 212)
LOL... and
I also want to say I'm sorry to Green Hag for giving her a hard time for dissing Gore and supporting McCain. I was a
jerk.
Not to mention TSean and OJ.
(Damn, I'm getting the feeling I could be here a long time)
"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 10:33pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#20 of 212)
I really don't have anyone to make amends to. Those that I care to, I already have.
Hell, even OJ and I had a few civil discussions, something I never would have dreamed about happening. *G*
[Duffy] - 10:36pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#21 of 212)
I also want to say I'm sorry to Green Hag for giving her a hard time for dissing Gore and supporting
McCain. I was a jerk.
You mean Nader, right? On the "Greenz who stole Christmas thread" - That lasted a LONG time. LOL
I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 10:40pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#22 of 212)
I want to apologize to El Primo, for calling him a Big Dick. And to Panama Hank, because, even if we disagree on so
much, I still think he is a fun fellow.
I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 10:42pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#23 of 212)
I also want to say I'm sorry to Green Hag for giving her a hard time for dissing Gore and supporting
McCain. I was a jerk. <
Thanks, ElPrimo, that means a lot. I appreciate it! After all, I am the ORIGINAL Greenie! :)
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 10:45pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#24 of 212)
I'd like to thank Green Hag for calling Primo a big dick, and I'd like to thank Primo for making me even more
confident and strident in my belief that liberalism is the biggest threat this country faces, and must be defeated.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 10:48pm Mar 19,
2001 EST (#25 of 212)
El Primo...
^5
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 10:50pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#26 of 212)
You're welcome, Greenie. And my apology is sincere. I actually like the Greens very much and you were always an
asset to Pathfinder.
Yes Duffy, the Greenz Stole Christmas thread had over 1200 postings. It eventually was shut down by PF for being
too large. (Actually, I think Dave voted for Nader and wanted it to die.. LOL)
Sorry to Wandering Bear and Looking For Light also, as I gave them a hard time on that thread.
[*Noel*] - 11:00pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#27 of 212)
Well. I'd like to take the opportunity to apologize to everyone I've ever been mean to here.
Except Hardigan. He's such a crap factory.
And that racist POS King Tony.
Oh, and that fat SOB glencarr.
Come to think of it, I don't like OJ much either. And Hoeker has been a real shitball lately. Fiat is a windbag, which
reminds me of what a jerkoff Stammerman is. I can't believe ElPrimo can find the floor every morning, Duffy is
insane, Dave is a Nazi, Regal drives me absolutely nuts and I think I remember Libby calling me a name once.
So forget it. Screw you guys. Really. I mean it.
.
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.
.
.
.
;-)
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:10pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#28 of 212)
Tell your Dad goodbye Noel... :-)
[*Noel*] - 11:14pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#29 of 212)
He is already here along with hoeker and a few others. Hope we can all find a common hangout, rather than splintering into factions all across the web. I'd miss hating all
you guys.
[spangler] - 11:21pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#30 of 212)
I want to pay special thanks that my handle has not ever been mistaken with OregonJim (AKA Snagglepus).
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:30pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#31 of 212)
Thanks to duh for the picture thread.
And to Cooter for not getting too upset at my dissing Mississippi all the time. LOL
Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 11:36pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#32 of 212)
Hi Tony. (Tony, Tony to the end) lol
Hi Noel. Is that the board that Davka has been advertising? Your dad and I have been hanging out on another new
board too. Ya mean he didn't invite you? *G*
I only called you an asshole one time...and I think I apologized? If I didn't, I do now. :)
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 11:47pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#33 of 212)
I arrived in 1995 - just before the holidays and the "Go Pat Go" crowd was all over this board.
My first thread on my 2nd day was about how Nancy was dealing with Ronnie's alzheimer's condition - the
Repuba-Bubbas were thrilled.
And then there was the Mel Fayard vs Oregon Jim and the Silver Fox vs Oregon Jim threads - poor ol' Marcus Bales.
What a slice - 5 years and it was always entertaining and never boring - at times mundane and often profound.
It was a something else - words fail.
[*Noel*] - 11:49pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#34 of 212)
Well, now I am content.
I made Libby say "asshole".
And then -- what do you know -- in walks OJ.
I amgoing to miss this place.
[*Noel*] - 11:51pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#35 of 212)
Yes, I'm spamming Davka's link all over the place. Sherrie has got one too, but I like Davka's a bit better. Only
problem is that Davka's is just getting started, while Sherrie's is already going full steam.
As long as one or the other (or anything to keep the group together) works out.
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 11:51pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#36 of 212)
"...at times mundane and often profound."
Well, fuckin' said, Jim.
[*Noel*] - 11:53pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#37 of 212)
Hey Ricco!*G*
Thanks for walking around with that stupid handle. I appreciated it. Fartdog probably did too.
Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 12:00am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#38 of 212)
LOL Noel...yeah..like that's the first and only time ever that I've said that word. (haha) *G*
Ricco...I still laugh when I think about all the topics we decided we "couldn't" discuss when you first came here. I also
remember how freaked out I was, after reading some of your (ahem) comments on Hillary Clinton. ACK!!! LOLOL (I was
so happy that you had a good sense of humor, or I was gonna have to kill ya...*g*).
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 12:05am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#39 of 212)
See ya on the other side, Noel! *G*
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 12:07am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#40 of 212)
I'm sorry but I couldn't trust Davka's place. I sometimes post from my office account and someone could find out
where I worked. I couldn't trust a conservative not to use this against me somehow. With a major account like MSN
(Sherrie's recommendation) I wouldn't have to worry about this.
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 12:13am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#41 of 212)
Libby, most of my strident comments, although fully backed by unwavering belief, were designed to irritate the
"fiercely, progessive, independent" women on this board.
You were one of the first to catch on. ;^)
[*Noel*] - 12:14am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#42 of 212)
ElPrimo, if we haven't set up a burning cross on your lawn by now, it's not gonna happen.
My only objection with the MSN site is that the damned font is too small. Maybe I can fix it in my browser or
something.
Again, I don't especially care where it goes, as long as the group stays more or less together.
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 12:16am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#43 of 212)
Someone might find out you're cheating your employer huh, Primo?
Condemning a liberal for theft would be akin to scolding a bear for shitting in the woods.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 12:18am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#44 of 212)
LOL Ricco. I don't claim to be pure and holy, I leave that for Republican hypocrites... (Of course there aren't any of
those around here... LOL)
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 12:27am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#45 of 212)
I still wouldn't pay that ticket, Primo! ;^)
They're selling postcards of the hanging... [DaveGin] - 12:43am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#46 of 212)
Primo, you might want to reconsider taking legal advice from Ricco.
Just a word to the wise.
[Bear Armstrong] - 12:49am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#47 of 212)
I thought it was really funny learning about all the lefties who speed while being concerned about SUVs and CO2.
"...but when you come to Heritage USA, remember to bring your Bible and your VISA carcard -
because the Bible is the Holy Truth, and God doesn't take American Express." [Rhiannon] - 12:50am
Mar 20, 2001 EST (#48 of 212)
Wow...
I new I should have gone to bed instead of logging on.
Now I'm sorry I took 6 weeks off from the Internet...just think how much time I wasted when I could have been here
wasting it.
I've always taken extended LOA's from being online...either I got bored with it, or the hot issues here weren't coming
through, or the flame wars got too hot...it was comforting to know that all the people I've come to know and respect
would be here whenever I decided to come back...like an anchor on the Internet.
Now they won't be here anymore.
Amends & Thanks?
Well, many olive branches to Duh, SC, Maggie, Sherrie, Maat, Lara, and Bill Munz.
Many thanks for fascinating and furious discussions to MsRobbie, Libby, Cooter, wardaddy, OJ, GW, Q, OlPerf, Shroom,
Crimson, jollyollie, Bear Armstrong, ElPrimo, Dave, babblingbrook, lucky, SteveNY, Birdz, Dan'l, Sundance,
Avalanche, franw, sjscruby, SusieQ, linguist, glencarr, Statbabe, Ken, iconoclast, primal, RocketMan, b-bart, guy,
charolais, free, trevor, ensign expendable, wuchuck, alwright, lisaa, kitty, Liz, Duffy, Noel, plainbill, Mayson, LWN, La
Lil, Johnnyba, hoeker, BlackRicco, BlueLime, GreenHag, and all the others who've stepped in and out over the past 6
years whose names I unforgivably cannot recall.
This sucks.
All your base are belong to us. [Ken Stammerman] - 01:02am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#49 of 212)
Rhiannon, thanks for being here. And for a nick that always brought me back to Fleetwood Mac and better times.
"...but when you come to Heritage USA, remember to bring your Bible and your VISA carcard -
because the Bible is the Holy Truth, and God doesn't take American Express." [Rhiannon] - 01:07am
Mar 20, 2001 EST (#50 of 212)
Rhiannon, thanks for being here...
I'm just delighted there was a place to be...and so many wonderful people when I arrived.
I'm almost embarrassed by how upset I am about this. I feel like a good friend has died.
[Blue Lime] - 01:19am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#51 of 212)
As the board will soon go away, I wish to apologise to everyone whom I have called a liar, cheat, theif, idiot, or said
something inappropriate to over the past several years.
To quote Homer Simpson: I make it a policy to never apoligize. I'm sorry, it's just something I never do.
Those votes were not illegal, they were invalid! [plainbill] - 01:19am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#52 of 212)
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 11:47pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#33 of 50)
It was a something else - words fail.
I don't believe a damn word of that.
Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 01:53am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#53 of 212)
Rhiannon
I've been off for a while too and just came back like a week ago.
Isn't this just too sad???
I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 10:44am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#54 of 212)
Rhiannon, I will miss you too! And B-bart, and BlueLime, Plain Bill, Bear Armstrong, and OJ.
OJ, what will I do without you???? :(
I arrived in 1995 - just before the holidays and the "Go Pat Go" crowd was all over this board. <
LOL, me too! I remember back in the day! They said he was going to crush Clinton, too!
Well, I guess nothing lasts forever, but I just took this place for granted.
Dang.
[TrueConservative] - 11:37am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#55 of 212)
There are several people I will certainly miss, specifically wardaddy, cooter and nessus. they usually stayed on topic,
and with rare exceptions, avoided personal invective.
I don't remeber how long I have dabbled on these boards, I think its been somewhere around three or four years, and
in that period of time I don't recall anyone's opinion or position changing. That was probably the most fun.
No matter how the various factions presented their arguments those who agreed before the fact agreed afterwards.
those who disagreed still disagreed.
The only issue I changed my opinion on was regarding the War on Drugs, and that was in response to question posed
by kchuck.
I still believe that drugs are a scourge, particularly to the young, but the question dealt with the Cosntitutionality of
the program and the laws. I wanted desperately to find some way to Constitutionally justify the WOD, but could find
nothing that convinced me it abided by the spirit or words of the Constitution.
Although I still remain adamantly opposed to drugs, I would like to see the WOD ended on Constitutional grounds.
Anyway, I thank just about everyone that has participated here, even our most radical left wing friends. They almost
always made me laugh, particualarly after the last election.
Perhaps we will run into each other down the road, but I'm not very hopeful that it will happen.
Best wishes and good fortune for the future.
Herb [knitknee] - 11:42am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#56 of 212)
I'm sorry I'm so sorry.
How about never? Is never good for you? [Dan'l] - 12:01pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#57 of 212)
Wardaddy, for all the times I called you a . . . a . . . a lawyer, I'm sorry.
Always thought you were one of the more intellegent posters around here, Ray, and I've always found your stuff
entertaining. Shame we had to butt heads.
[Bear Armstrong] - 07:26pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#58 of 212)
Well, I've called a lot of people names, but then I've been called names by a lot of people.
I don't hold it against anybody in real life, and if I've ever caused anybody any stress or hurt in real life, I am
heartily sorry.
However, there are two people I would like to make special amends to.
The first is Tony, when we engaged in racist remarks to each other. I wish that never happened, and I apologize for
my part in it.
The second is Cooter, with whom I picked on about southerners a few months back. I honestly intended it
tongue-in-cheek, and I'm afraid I went a little too far. I'm sorry Cooter, I know there are some damn dumb, damn
yankees.
I guess those are my two big regrets. With everyone else it was give and take, or they really deserved it. *G*
I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 07:42pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#59 of 212)
Good post, Bear. Your fight with Tony made me actually defend Tony! LOL I was a bit uncomfortable.
I apologize for the many whom I've offended at times of hot temper. I think I've learned that words that hurt last
longer than intended. I'd also like to apologize to DaveGin for a certain 3 word email I sent to him once. I've often
disagreed with him about politics & some of his board actions but overall, he kept this place pretty cool. I hope to see
most of you in another site. Except for the Hoffmans!
[werewolvesoflondon] - 07:48pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#60 of 212)
bump
I really am as Bad As People Say [Bill Clinton]- 07:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#62 of 62)
I apologize to the American People for being such a reprobate.
I did have sex with that woman.
I did sell pardons.
I lied about Whitewater, The Travel Office, And selling secrets to the Chinese.
I smeared Ken Starr, Paula Jones, Linda Tripp and Kathleen Wiley.
Im no good and I'm sorry that my legacy to America will be a corrupting one.
[The Horseman] - 08:04pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#61 of 212)
"Bill Clinton", you’re a moron.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:06pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#62 of 212)
'I don't recall anyone's opinion or position changing'
That's been kind of my take on it also, TC. Which is why I never made any bones about being a partisan or solid
Democrat. Fact is, we all emotionally believe our positions are the correct ones and are fighting the good fight. Hence
we defend them so strongly. My mother is a true blue Republican and I love her the most so I can't really hate anyone
who holds to that persuasion.
I realize I often treated this place like a battleground between the forces of good and evil. But I always knew that
which side wore white hats and which wore black was solely in the eye of the observer. I wish that my style had been
more reasoned and deliberative and less combative, but that wasn't to be. The good thing about the impending
shutdown is that I get to make a new start. But it's hard to change ones nature. And near impossible to change
someone else's.
I actually looked at the boards as a fun way to exchange clever barbs. I most appreciated a witty response or good turn
of a phrase. Regardless of whether it was from the Left or Right.
That's why I started this thread. To make sure that everyone knows I hold them no personal ill will, regardless of
their persuasions. I will fight as hard as possible against your positions if I believe they are detrimental to this
Country and it's people (conservative Republicans), but for me it has never been personal.
[werewolvesoflondon] - 08:08pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#63 of 212)
bump
I really am as Bad As People Say [Bill Clinton]- 07:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#65 of 65)
[The Horseman], I understand, and I feel your pain.
[The Horseman] - 08:18pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#64 of 212)
I will end this by saying that I always thought the Republicans were the enemy, but I meant that in a nice way. I
never thought they would steal an election and use their henchmen on the Supreme Court to do it. It’s a new world in
America. And there is definitely a difference in opinion. Those who believe in democracy of and by the people, and
the Republicans. I’m just getting started. I will die for democracy if need be. I’m an American patriot. It is time to
decide whose side you are on. The people, or the powerful creeps who buy elections. It’s your decision.
3/31/01-Tear the goalposts down, boyz! [babblingbrook] - 08:33pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#65 of 212)
ElP
Good one #63. I know that when I called someone a whiny twit - or laughed til I cried over some line of retort...it was
*in the moment*. Being here has made me work harder to stay informed. It's made me think more deeply about what
I believe. It's made me so much more aware that some people are just no damned good! <G>
Seriously, there's never been a morning since I found this place that I haven't enjoyed that 2nd cup of coffee - and
perusing the threads (what I've always called *my walk through the park* - to see what was on people's minds...what
their day was going to be like - or how their night had been...to know that whichever slant we were coming from,
people, in the main, do care.
I'd like to thank everyone for giving me this *experience*.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 08:37pm Mar 20,
2001 EST (#66 of 212)
I love you, bb...
You have grace.
[werewolvesoflondon] - 08:39pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#67 of 212)
You must be thinking of their henchmen in the electoral college where GWB was elected with 271 votes.
BTW it was a new world in America when the nimbrods said give the reprobate a pass instead of throwing him out of
office. That is when the people sold out and I lost all respect for them.
"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 08:55pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#68 of 212)
Dave,
Before I forget, and now that the shock has worn off...
I really do want to apologized to you for the pissing contests that I have been in with you.
On the whole, you've been a fairly good moderator, even when you've let your partisan side show. *G*
I hope that the times that I've defended you makes up or at least sorta evens out the times that I've attacked you.
Either way, I do apologize. And I truly mean it.
3/31/01-Tear the goalposts down, boyz! [babblingbrook] - 09:05pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#69 of 212)
Hoeker honey
You're the best, babe. You make me think I might even have a heart. I'll always care that life should hold you kindly.
I'll be seeing ya.
Bush stole the election fair and square.. [lucky085] - 09:10pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#70 of 212)
There's really no good reason to make "amends", as the bantering on the boards was mainly what kept them going.
What has always been interesting about them is the many varied personalities that mesh together, and the results
were quite often unpredictable, or at least humorous.
I will miss the humor on this board most of all, the "wits", and yes, even the "half-wits". LOL
And Bush is still an idiot.
[SusieQueue] - 09:32pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#71 of 212)
The only poster with whom I ever had a serious "personal" falling out was Bill Munz. And it wasn't even here; it was
at TPS. He said some unkind things after I had posted comments about the violent murder of a friend of mine. MY fault
was in posting those comments on a Rumpus-Room-like thread, where they did not belong. HIS fault was in not
recognizing that I had simply posted them in the midst of my grief and despair over a friend's senseless murder. We
eventually worked it out, much to his credit, and began to see each other as human beings, with allowance for each
other's frailties and some admiration for each other's strengths.
I don't know if Munz will ever see this, but I thought I should let him know that I appreciate being one of the few
people to whom he ever apologized. *G*
(But that doesn't mean we will EVER agree on what it means to be a "moderate". lol....)
[SusieQueue] - 09:36pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#72 of 212)
BTW, Munz, in case you ARE reading this:
The youngest of my friend Jan's three murderers was sentenced last month (three years after her murder) to life
without possibility of parole. The other two are still awaiting trial....
I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 11:26pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#73 of 212)
babblingbrook: I'm glad to see that you're really an extremely nice person. You & I exchanged some pretty nasty
barbs a while back & I regret them. I hope you do well in the future & I'll always remember the conversation we had
last year on Oscar night. Take care...
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 11:41pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#74 of 212)
Shroom (and Glencar) I don't have to agree with you to like you. And vice versa.
For the most part, stuff said here is old news tomorrow.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:43pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#75 of 212)
Speaking of Bill Munz, I would like to thank him for being the only Looneytarian who didn't spend all his time
bashing Democrats. He gave the GOPers as much grief as us Dems. He represented his cause better than most and it
was refreshing.
And he was honest. As I believe most folks on this board were. When you think about it, while many of us disagreed
about things or had different interpretations of various events, I really don't think there were very many folks who
were phonys or liars. Folks were usually just who they said they were.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 11:44pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#76 of 212)
I'm just surprised people are still debating the same old, same old. Our time here is short - really short. It looks like I'll
be unable to make it to the final night. Timing sucks...
Dave, you used to tick me off to no end. I eventually got over it. *G* When did you find out about the upcoming
closure?
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 11:45pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#77 of 212)
El P, I remember when you made me really angry. Do you remember?
The Libertarians are just so much hot air. That "sheeple" stuff is a definite turn-off.
Holy shinola! [Rocket Man 57] - 11:47pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#78 of 212)
I have a confession to make.
I'm deeply in love with glencarrr.
I was in love with glencarrr ever since his "Kathy Lee and Poor Little Cody" thread back in '97.
I just wish he'd quit sending me links to kiddieporn sites...
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 11:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#79 of 212)
Come on Rocket. I didn't mind the first part of your post but "kiddie porn" allegations are not funny.
Holy shinola! [Rocket Man 57] - 11:52pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#80 of 212)
I really enjoyed the Keith Richard hidden-cam site, though, glencarrr.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 11:56pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#81 of 212)
That's Richards, RM. The hidden cam was why he had to wear those fishhooks in his hair. I'm taping VH1 tomorrow
night. He gave quite a speech for Johnnie Johnson.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#82 of 212)
Don't really remember anything specific, glencar. Though we did have a few spats. For some reason I once even
thought you were mel fayard! LOL
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 12:01am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#83 of 212)
LOL It was when you threatened to discuss my pay rate. Me Mel? Nope. I once talked to him on TPS. He seemed nice. I
missed a lot of whatever it was that got people up in arms about him.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 12:15am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#84 of 212)
I was battling mel back before OJ was here. He was ok and seemed like an honest person to me. He was from the old
school and had a lot of prejudicial feelings. He would always try and link Clinton with Black hookers and that sort of
thing. But he was a bible thumper and waved the flag a bit too much. One of my pet peeves is that Conservatives try
and imply they're better 'Americans' than liberals. They must know it gets our goat. Kind of like when we imply they
want children to suffer. LOL
Only vaguely remember something about pay rates. If I had gotten personal it would have been over the line. Don't
know how I'd know your pay though, LOL. Did it have something to do with the FAA? My brother works for them and
he's always bitching about how little the controllers do for all their pay and time off. Course he makes more than
them and probably doesn't do much more (he's in management and hates the union-LOL)
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 12:17am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#85 of 212)
Haha, bet I made more than him last year.
But you lefties are unpatriotic. *G*
[Mike_55] - 04:11am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#86 of 212)
I once made some pretty mean comments about Rocketman and his sexual orientation, but when I discovered that he
was a nice guy (and a veteran) I really felt like a jerk.
I also want to apologize to anyone else (especially Dave) that I annoyed back in my flamer days.
[Mike_55] - 04:14am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#87 of 212)
Bill Russell, you're certifiably INSANE. I'm surprised that the computer lab at your "institution" is still open this late.
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 04:17am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#88 of 212)
Well. Since we are in the amending mood at this hour of the wolf, I would like to extend an olive branch to Libby.
Whatever was said, and whichever side we fell upon, I want to bury animosities here and now. It does no good for me
to hang on to the grudges and chips which bare your name. It's hard enough to say goodbye in any instances, but it
doesn't feel right to not give you a cyber hug farewell.
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 04:22am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#89 of 212)
For some of you who don't know what the hour of the wolf is (I had one or two ask), it is the time between 3 and 4 a.m
when fears and regrets and worries seize your mind so you can't sleep. This "wolf" is present at that hour, and (your
own fears and worries) will devour one, if one is not careful, or can find a sense of peace.
[Mike_55] - 04:23am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#90 of 212)
Bill, what's with the multiple "DAVE SUCKS!" threads? Why do you feel the need to do that?
Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 04:49am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#91 of 212)
Dusty, thank you so much for that. I bear you no ill will whatsoever. We go back along ways, and I really prefer
remembering the good times...especially those over on the Introduce Yourself thread a few years back. I still smile
when I think about Little Red Riding Hood and all the silliness that made us all laugh so much, on your now infamous
Duh threads.
And since you had the courage to extend an olive branch to me...I not only extend it back to you, but to Maggie,
Sherrie and Lara. I am truly sorry that I allowed some righteous indignation to get in the way of long time
friendships. I don't even care who was right or wrong at this point. I hope you'll forgive me.
And Dave, an apology to you for what you must have considered a betrayal of trust. It was not intended. I hope you
can forgive me.
I am going to miss this place and all of you so much. :(
Bush stole the election fair and square.. [lucky085] - 06:35am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#92 of 212)
Sniff, sniff.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 06:36am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#93 of 212)
Smelling your own farts again, Lucky?
Bush stole the election fair and square.. [lucky085] - 07:14am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#94 of 212)
"Smelling your own farts again, Lucky? "
No, just checking if you were around.
[Duffy] - 07:40am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#95 of 212)
I've had lots of fun here the past couple of days.
I wish that the spirit and togetherness had always been like this. It sure would've made a huge gigantic difference -
especially for me. I was trying to find that post of whomever said 'It's like waiting until someone dies to say
something nice about them'
But I even see that spirit starting to deteriorate --- which is sad but not surprising.
I am glad that I got a chance to meet some really great people here. Libby, Kariann, Sundance/Horseman :-), Susan,
Rhiannon, Regal, Glencarr, Greenie, Zack, Talooga, Krissy, U16Girl, Sonybabe, The Mighty Red, Edrieanne, Solvei,
Ashcan, Wada, Primo, Duckboy, Duckgirl, PianoMike (Who was soooo compassionate about the Sierra Leone situation),
Jane (Windjammer), Paulie, Bill Russell (who really did make me laugh on many an occasion), Hank, MDGiles, LaLil,
FreeInd, Johnnyba, Conrad, Whichever regular that 'Shut-up-and-Fish' character was, Jimbe5, KT9/Purewine,
TallTimber, JaneD, David-Juris, Davka/Rebel, Rocketman, Stoptime, Dan'l, Muelling, Natrona, Paul King, Liz, Tony
(African Hombre lol), Frank, BobbyC, Babette, BillCostley, Linguist, Blue Lime, GW, SurferKate, Mindsaye, Juuustme,
Alyn, Lord Dark One, LisaMC, Kam, LGM, and several others. Thanks to all those who've respected me and saw me for
who I really was throughout my time here. I really do appreciate that. :-)
And I got some good news yesterday...which put me in a great mood. I've told of the death of my grandmother - and
the way it happened - in Sierra Leone 2 years ago. (and hoped people would be respectful about something like
death/murder -- wishful thinking perhaps) I also said that I had cousins that my family wanted to get out of the
trouble there and bring to America. I told that my oldest cousin made it to America -- arriving in Chicago in the fall
of last year. I did make that happen for him. I'm not sure if I said that one of my other cousins (one of the 4 who were
staying with my grandmother in Senegal before they journeyed back to Sierra Leone) ended up missing. She was the
one closest to my age - about 23 or 24 I think. I really was distraught as I wanted to help them so badly. I had only
known them all my life through letters, pictures, and mention by my parents, but I still wanted to help them so badly.
After 4 years, she called yesterday. She told my mother that she had tried to call but the calls never came through. I
think she's in Togo? She was taken in years ago by a woman who helped her learn French. She didn't know that our
grandmother had passed on -- and I doubt my mother told her the exact details of the murder. (My cousin had lived
with her all her life) - so I know that must've come as a shock to her... Knowing that she's ok, after all these years,
was such a relief. I said so many prayers for her. Not knowing if she was even still alive. I wish happiness for
her...because that's what life is all about. Happiness, compassion, friendship, respect, love...
Holy shinola! [Rocket Man 57] - 08:09am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#96 of 212)
Mike_55 3/21/01 4:11am
You're a good man, James.
I appreciate it.
[Duffy] - 08:13am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#97 of 212)
I also thank ElAlumno for his support and professional input on one of the past rape threads.
get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute
[RobNY34] - 08:25am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#98 of 212)
Mr. Wren,
I gotta say, of all the posters that ever came thu these parts, you are the one, without a doubt, that most surprised me.
You came in here a snot-nosed, abusive, taunting, mean-spirited little asshole, and you were transformed into a
decent stand-up guy.
Good luck to you in your life. :)
[Cheryl-Dee] [J. Elmore] - 08:35am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#99 of 212)
toni
your heartfelt apologetic e-mail was plenty..you didn't have to go and send me flowers too...
aw.
[natrona] - 08:42am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#100 of 212)
Thanks, Duffy.
So glad to hear your cousin is accounted for and safe, and I hope you get to travel and visit her in person after years
of correspondence and the confusion of red tape created by hostile governments.
You've much merit, dear. :)
get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute
[RobNY34] - 08:47am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#101 of 212)
natty,
you ever get the job as Chief Blow job giver for President Bush?
I know you coveted that job. I hope your "interviews" went well.
[salmosalar] - 08:56am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#102 of 212)
Rob - jealous cause you didn't get it?
Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. [CooterBrown] - 09:59am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#103 of 212)
Bear, if I ever acted as though I was really pissed at you, I'm sorry. I've always liked you, and have never actually
been mad at ya! *G*
I know I've been overly defensive about the south at times, or at least the part that I'm quite familiar with. Q, of all
people, pointed out to me that I need to recognize flamebait for what it is, and treat it accordingly. Duh. I owe Q some
beers or whatever floats his boat.
Damn.....I've got a Torts class starting, so I'll have to post what I've got.
3/31/01-Tear the goalposts down, boyz! [babblingbrook] - 11:48am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#104 of 212)
Thank you, glen...I appreciate your post and wish you well.
Duffy
Glad to hear you've had good news about your cousin. It would be lovely if all your family could be reunited one
day...so I'll hold that thought. Take care.
[JaneD] - 12:01pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#105 of 212)
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 07:59pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#3 of
104) "This thread is a good idea...
I think it would be a mistake to try to do it all at once, though. I'd like to make my first apology here and now to JaneD.
I called her a bitch one night.
JaneD: I'm sorry you're a bitch."
Lil' hoe, I'm sorry for calling you a mullet head and I'm sorry you never had a life outside of TOL. Good luck with that.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 12:02pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#106 of 212)
Thanks for all the laffs, OJ. :-)
Thanks, DickH (geogent) and Serious Summer for always having a cool head and representing so many positions that
I agreed with in such a respectful and dignified manner.
Thanks Fiat for those long winded economic postings... LOL
Thanks for giving conservatives hell, Lucky and making me seem like a moderate. LOL Folks won't believe it, but
didn't you join Libby and I in asking for Clinton to resign at one point? Then the Republicans started mouthing off
and we realized he actually was a pretty good compared to them LOL
Thanks, wardaddy for the legal opinions and posting here. Sorry I said you looked like an insurance salesman... :-)..
No hard feelings and wishing you and yours the best
More to come
full of sound and fury and signifying greatness... [ashcan] - 12:09pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#107 of 212)
...often times here nearly all of us have crossed the line from fair game into the land of ridiculous personal
insults...so often we feel so passionately about our beliefs and politics (perhaps, a little too passionately) that we defer
from debating the substance of the position to attacking the demeanor of the person...
...I have oft been guilty of such, but I'd like to think that most times I brought it to a personal level after someone
made it personal with me...but through it all, the experience that was (and still is--at least, for 9 more days) these
boards is beyond words to describe and I never thought I'd abhor it's demise as much as I do now...
...to think that in less than two weeks I'll not be able to witness OJ's biting wit...or Herb's sardonic humor...or NGC's
rants that employ "KLYNTON" and "!!!" and his classic "Truth to a Liberal IS like a cross to Dracula!!!"...or Lucky's
neverending "Bush is an idiot!"...it's quite sad and those little quirks that permeate the personalities of everyone
here is what made this place so dear to me...
...to one and all, if my words (which we all sling and throw so carelessly and callously sometimes as if they have no
long-term effect on another) have brought you stress, hurt your feelings, or just caused you undue anger or pain, I
apologize...I am just as guilty as the next person for taking it too far sometimes, and there are a few posters who I
would like to extend a personal apology:
TrueConservative:
You know our history, kind sir. We have had some very harsh words between us before, especially with regards to
race matters where I think our mutual bullheadedness would let neither of us back down. But lately, when I set aside
all the petty stuff, I've obtained a newfound respect for you. I may never agree with your politics, but I apologize
mightily for the crap I said to you. Take care.
GW/Buckeye
When I first came to TOL 3 years ago, you were quite a gentlemanly GOP plugger. At some point, you changed--or
maybe it was just me. I ragged you alot. However, witnessing your posts since the announcement, I'm quite convinced
(as I used to be) that you do things with your tounge planted firmly in cheek. So, I'd like to extend an apology for the
occasional flame I sent your way. I know we agreed on stuff, but it had seemed like lately we were disagreeing (quite
needlessly, IMO) more often than not.
Ex-Glencarr
I usually like your humor re: Billy Jeff and Hillary. For some inane reason we got into a pissing contest a few weeks
back. I apologize for my part in it. You're alright in my book.
JaneD
One day, I called you a b***h and a s**t--you know what I'm talking about. I profusely apologize for that--it was very
ungentlemanly of me to do that, and heaven knows how offended I'd be if someone referred to my wife or mom or
sister that way. Although I disagree with your politics and thought that you were deserving of alot of the meanness
that came your way, you didn't deserve what I said. Take care.
...to those whom I may have forgotten the seriousness of any trangression, please forgive the omission...you're all
okay in your own, uniquely individual, Human way...I hope that Life finds that your nights of sorrow are few and
your days of joy are plentiful...
Regards,
Alvin Richardson (Ash)
Wife and cat missing. $50 reward for cat.... [wardaddy] - 12:14pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#108 of 212)
El Primo
Thanks. I think that you made me so damned mad because at heart I always liked you.
My apologies for the unkind words in the past.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 12:20pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#109 of 212)
ElPrimo
Thanks - good luck in the future and continue fighting the good fight. You hold strong positions and articulate them
well.
BTW - my 'support' of Nader had much more to do with my anger with the DLC and it's control of the DNC more than
anything else.
LOL
Ash
You're a real trip - I never 'quite' put a finger on your politics (not that it matters) and always enjoyed that about
your posts. You're quite intelligent and like ElPrimo you always articulated your positions and thoughts carefully and
intelligently.
Ray
Well...........................
You and I have been around the Horn on just about every issue - but at the heart of it all I respect you for what you
did with your life and the things you hold dear to your heart.
Believe it or not so did I - just went down a different road.
Take care and keep Cooter in line.
And from singing. LOL
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 12:20pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#110 of 212)
No problem, Ash. That's why I walked away: I saw that one getting really bad & I didn't want that to happen. Best of
luck with the baby & all...
[TrueConservative] - 12:22pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#111 of 212)
Ash, thanks for the kind comments. If you weren't such a knucklehead it wouldn;t have happened in the first place.
:) Just kidding, don't throw anything.
I have read some of your recent posts and found that we actually do agree on somethings. On others, I think we agree
on a very fundamental level, but depart significantly from there.
I'm sure our posts seemed reasonalbe at the time based on what was happening, but if I did step over the line and go
from the issue to the personal, I apologize and wish you the best in the future.
[JaneD] - 12:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#112 of 212)
"Although I disagree with your politics and thought that you were deserving of alot of meaness that came your way.."
Apology?? accepted
"you didn't deserve what I said. Take care."
Ditto.
Wife and cat missing. $50 reward for cat.... [wardaddy] - 12:26pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#113 of 212)
OJ
Sorry for the rants about Susan, but that post hit me very hard. Every time that my Caller ID showed a call from Brett,
my heart stopped. It's tough having a child who is an LEO. I didn't ask Dave to ban you, either, just that he remove that
post.
I'll be out your way someday soon. Hope to hoist a few with you.
May you always have fair winds and following seas, my friend.
rpittman@panola.com
full of sound and fury and signifying greatness... [ashcan] - 01:23pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#114 of 212)
Duffy:
...you're a-ok, lil' lady!...remember, always, what I told you about not letting the little s**t get in your way...enjoy Life
for the moment and plan Life like you've got forever--it's much too short to do anything else!...
Ash
full of sound and fury and signifying greatness... [ashcan] - 01:33pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#115 of 212)
OJ:
...feeling's mutual...take care...and if I'm ever 'round your parts you gotta share some o' that Oregon red...
:~)
Ex-Glencarr:
...thanks and take it easy...
TrueConservative:
...you are so right--fundamentally we agree, IMO; it's the specifics where we diverge...keep on keepin' on, my man...
JaneD:
...you're all right...much Peace to you...
...and now, enough of this melodramatic stuff...
...could someone please direct me to the flame thread???...
;)
Ash
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:40pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#116 of 212)
Is anybody else going to take a break from posting on BBSs?
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 01:56pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#117 of 212)
John
I'm done - I haven't been all that interested in politics since the 1998 elections - this last one was too dismal for words.
This place was a real kick - but politics has/had little to do with it.
I wish everyone good-luck and best wishes in your 'real' lives.
Peace...........................
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 02:44pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#118 of 212)
Thank you Ms Robbie, Sgt Tag and a couple others who once provided me much encouragement when I was down in
the dumps - jon-jon.
It was much appreciated. Sorry if El Primo never thanked you before or reciprocated in kind... Best wishes in your
future endeavors.
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 02:48pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#119 of 212)
OJ - I'm really sorry to hear that. I'll miss your sharp-as-a-razor wit. I don't believe the resident RWWs realize that
you didn't pick on them exclusively, but that you were ready to hurl a good insult at any leftie who was behaving like
a jerk.
I also remember how upset I got at you over your remarks about cockatoos, not realizing how much you like to jerk
other posters' chains. After that I was able to sit back and enjoy the insults -- sort of.
Oh, and thanks for giving me this link. *GGGG*
[JaneD] - 02:51pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#120 of 212)
OK- Why is everyone boohooing on this board and kickin ass on the new one? It seems dumb now. The exact same
people are on the other board.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 03:09pm Mar 21,
2001 EST (#121 of 212)
Kee-rist...
Are your goddamned shoes too tight or what? You're the orneriest nastiest wench I've ever encountered.
The new board is already diminished by your presence. Grow the fuck up.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 03:12pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#122 of 212)
Jim, You'll be missed. Geez, I never thought I'd say that!
I think I'll take a break for a bit. 2 weeks tops, probably. This stuff is addictive.
Herb [knitknee] - 03:13pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#123 of 212)
You go, hoeker!
Classic stuff!!!
You're the orneriest nastiest wench I've ever encountered. The new board is already diminished be
your presence. Grow the fuck up.
LOL!!!
[JaneD] - 03:16pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#124 of 212)
Lil' Hoe: How is this for amends: EAT SHIT AND DIE!! THANKS
Herb [knitknee] - 03:18pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#125 of 212)
LMAO ...
And to think the new place might be even better than THIS!
[JaneD] - 03:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#126 of 212)
Herb, no flames as of yet. I may be throwing the first one towards little hoe' though.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 03:24pm Mar 21,
2001 EST (#127 of 212)
Good going, Janey...
Nice growing the fuck up.
kk liked it though. You must be so proud.
Isn't there an after school special or something you should be watching? Or are you headed for the mall?
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 03:28pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#128 of 212)
Thanks to Randy the libertarian for always trying to reason and convince folks of his positions even when he was
being called a looney!
And Mr kuebar. I know you and I have gone at it these many years and I seldom if ever cut you any slack. Nor you to
me. That said, I was glad you came back after your hiatus and enjoyed the fact that we had a 'history'. Hope
everything is working out fine in your new digs, Tony!
[JaneD] - 03:28pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#129 of 212)
Why would I be heading to the mall? Would you like an appointment with the hairdresser?
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 03:32pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#130 of 212)
Ash
It's been fun. Hope we meet again somewhere. I can't share any Oregon Red 'cause I stopped smoking almost twelve
years ago, but I'd be happy to hoist a few with you.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:33pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#131 of 212)
Hoeker and Jane, sittin' in a tree...
In the movies, their exchange is known as 'meeting cute.' You know they'll be sweethearts by the third reel.
In real life, it's boring as hell.
Except Herb like it. Go figure.
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 03:36pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#132 of 212)
Yo, Dave!
It's been fun, and you had a great deal to do with it. Thanks for a job well done and for the humor.
Now, Cooter and I'll be down to drink alla your beer. :0)
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:37pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#133 of 212)
I'm taking a break. I've been engaged in this sado-masochistic enterprise for more than six years.
There are times when it all begins to repeat itself: the posts, the complaints, the personality conflicts.
Time to recharge the batteries, play with the kids, drink coffee with my wife and wait for the kids to go to sleep, do a
little writing, dig around and find that manuscript that the finest publishing houses in New York took a pass on...
But eventually, I'll miss you all too much and jump back in.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:39pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#134 of 212)
Hell, Ray, Mississipi isn't that far away. Save some of that beer for me. We can trade war stories and practice our lies.
You're a good man, Ray.
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 03:52pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#135 of 212)
Give your lady my best and tell her that I hope that hse's dancing soon. I'll send you the URL for the EZ boards just as soon as I can switch computers - that is, if that one has stopped acting
hinky.
get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute
[RobNY34] - 03:55pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#136 of 212)
what's the new site?
Don't get up, gentlemen, I'm only passing through. [moonberry] - 03:58pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#137 of 212)
I do hereby solemnly apologize to Fiat Lux for once calling him a fraud, for which I felt immediate remorse. I had the
impulse to edit but resisted, out of boredom I think.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 03:59pm Mar 21,
2001 EST (#138 of 212)
http://pub53.ezboard.com/fnottolfrm1
get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute
[RobNY34] - 04:04pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#139 of 212)
yuk!
this is the best we can do? Well, I guess beggars can't be choosers.
Don't get up, gentlemen, I'm only passing through. [moonberry] - 04:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#140 of 212)
DaveGin
You've done a remarkably good job, given the conditions.
Thanks.
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 04:06pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#141 of 212)
Dave - I hope you really meant it when you said "Hasta la vista" and not "adios." I can understand you wanting to take
a break, but you have a lot to contribute to discussions as a poster like the rest of us.
So often you post comments that express my point of view, but far more eloquently than I can do it. I have always
been impressed by your ability to articulate a thought, and also by your patience.
Please don't be a stranger forever.
full of sound and fury and signifying greatness... [ashcan] - 04:27pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#142 of 212)
Ray:
Yeah, it has been a real hoot, hasn't it? LOL No problem about the Red--a few ice cold ones would be just fine. I've got
nearly everyone's email addy so if I'm ever in your neck o' the woods I'll be sure to give you and Cooter a ring.
DaveGin:
You're a good guy. Take care, man.
Ash
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 04:34pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#143 of 212)
Ashcan
rpittman@panola.com
[Duffy] - 05:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#144 of 212)
Thanks, Duffy.
So glad to hear your cousin is accounted for and safe, and I hope you get to travel and visit her in
person after years of correspondence and the confusion of red tape created by hostile governments.
Indeed!
You've much merit, dear. :)
Thanks Natrona :-)
Duffy
Glad to hear you've had good news about your cousin. It would be lovely if all your family could be
reunited one day...so I'll hold that thought. Take care.
Thanks Brook! Good luck to you and your family as well. :-)
Duffy:
...you're a-ok, lil' lady!...remember, always, what I told you about not letting the little s**t get in your
way...enjoy Life for the moment and plan Life like you've got forever--it's much too short to do
anything else!...
Ash
LOL, thanks hon. I wish you all the best too. That includes a happy healthy baby. :-)
[Duffy] - 05:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#145 of 212)
And to my earlier list, I wanted to add:
Yippie (I hope your babies grow up to be flaming liberals lol), Veriance, Nganga, Hejira, Maat/Kirk, Diepilot,
Magdalena (whose name always reminded of that song "Macarena"), Jefe de Jefes, Alix, Anton, Lucque, Dick H, Fled,
Peter, Abbalon, Prophet, drooganbrother, JestersMike, Kerberos, GLENN (on gun threads), Bhopper (excellent posts
about the WOD), and still several others I know I’m forgetting that I’ve had some good conversations with.
A special thanks to Edrie for managing all of those legal threads during the election. (Wow) You did a great job. I
couldn’t keep up with all of that info.
I'll even extend a 'Hey' to Jozeph and RiKKK - there was something rather goofy about the way Rick tried to flame
with his racist tripe.
I don't know if KT9/Purewine will get here in time, but I wanted to wish her all the best, and I hope that she has the
most beautiful wedding this year. I hope he’s a mighty good man KT! :-)
AKA SGTTAG, [gandolf] - 06:10pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#146 of 212)
I just want to say that since coming to these boards, because of reading all the thoughtful posts from people on both
sides of the aisle, I have moderated my position on a few things, Abortion, Gays, gun issues.
Even though Rocket and O.J. call me stupid and that I need my meds all the time, they also have influenced my
thinking on drug and gay issues.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 07:40pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#147 of 212)
Natrona did an excellent job in speaking up for GWB.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 07:52pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#148 of 212)
Yes she did...indefatigueable as well
dammit - :-)
Holy shinola! [Rocket Man 57] - 08:02pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#149 of 212)
Gadolf,
How's come you weren't stupid as sarge?
Just wondering...
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:36pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#150 of 212)
LOL Rocket, I also wondered something similar.
up with which I will not put! [The New and Improved Tony K] - 08:56pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#151 of 212)
El Primo - The finest gauge of any man, in my experience and humble opinion, is his sense of humor…especially the
self-deprecating kind. You, unlike many (now I didn't say all) of your liberal brethren, always had yours intact.
There are several liberals around here that I was confident would eventually make the switch, like Libby, to
full-blown Libertarianism. You're one of them…hey, don't look at me like that, it's a compliment.
If your travels ever bring you to Blue Grass Country, look me up…I'm in the book - But you'll have to have the correct
spelling of my last name. It's Kueber (why does everyone put the 'e' in front of the 'u'? - and we can hammer on each
other in person over something cold and wet (don't touch that, OJ!). 'kay?
Take care, Student of it All, a.k.a. El Primo.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:00pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#152 of 212)
E before U except after K.
[EFI] - 09:04pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#153 of 212)
Actually the rule is that when you land at Ellis Island, and they want you to delete the umlaut, you add an 'e' after the
vowel that used to have the umlaut.
[EFI] - 09:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#154 of 212)
Bye Duffy.
up with which I will not put! [The New and Improved Tony K] - 09:09pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#155 of 212)
I'm sorry, EFI, but your answer was not in the form of a question...
I'll take bastardized foreign surnames for $200, Alex.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 09:11pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#156 of 212)
I appreciate that, Tony and if I'm out that way, I'd be proud to hoist one with you.
And who knows, if libby can become a looney, it could happen to anybody! So I won't say never. LOL
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 09:12pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#157 of 212)
Tony, your a libertarian?
up with which I will not put! [The New and Improved Tony K] - 09:14pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#158 of 212)
I'll look forward to it, Primo.
Cut the crap, Dusty!
...and where's MsR when ya' need her?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:21pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#159 of 212)
Libertarian? Isn't that a "Democrat" in Texas?
Whoa! Somebody get Tony's blood pressure medicine.
Do you miss the Lone Star State, Tony?
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 09:31pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#160 of 212)
Hey. I didn’t know. You didn’t seem like one, so I was kind of surprised... Mebbe you oughta cut down on your ritalin...
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 09:33pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#161 of 212)
I’m hating these slow boards...
Hey, does anyone out there know what the software before TOL’s board software was called? Maybe I can get a version
and start my own board..... similar to ALL POLITICS format. I liked that format....
up with which I will not put! [The New and Improved Tony K] - 10:59pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#162 of 212)
Keerist, if you don't know that I'm a Libertarian by now, Dusty...well...well...Time online oughta' just shut down the
damn boards ;-)
There's several very good Tex-Mex resteraunts here, Dave, so we've got that covered. But these Kentuckians think
barbecue is made from pig meat…whada' they know?
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:08pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#163 of 212)
I thought duh was funnin also Tony. LOL
Then again you don't post as much as you used to. But I have to ask 'Are you really new and improved?'
BTW, I heard the best pick up line in Kentucky was 'My, you sure have a pretty tooth'. :-)
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:08pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#163 of 212)
I thought duh was funnin also Tony. LOL
Then again you don't post as much as you used to. But I have to ask 'Are you really new and improved?'
BTW, I heard the best pick up line in Kentucky was 'My, you sure have a pretty tooth'. :-)
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 11:10pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#164 of 212)
There are probably lots of time you guys think I’m funnin’ when I’m just sitting here scrunching up my face going
"WHAAA?"
WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 11:14pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#165 of 212)
I have to agree with Tony, Primo. You were always one of my favorite liberals because your ass wasn't as water tight as a
frog's, like most of your brethren.
Hope you follow us over to the new board.*G*
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 11:19pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#166 of 212)
Some special thanks:
Hardigan & Dave: Thanks for that one email during "the time"...
Maggie: Thanks for calling when my mousey died...
Edrie, Surfer, Lara & Sherrie, Char, even Ricco: For the kind dead mousey comfort words...
Rocketman: Thanks for the pool games and beers....
Jim O: Thanks for the long ass friendship and the 2300 emails and BK toys.
The DUH camp: You guys are great. Love you always...
NoCable: Thanks for the nekid, nasty picture of Homer and Marge. Geez I still remember that....
...more to come later..
[spangler] - 11:26pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#167 of 212)
Hey, does anyone out there know what the software before TOL’s board software was called? Maybe I can
get a version and start my own board..... similar to ALL POLITICS format. I liked that format....
I have some software like that that I wrote. Of course it needs an INET server, and it's never been stressed, and it need
someone that does creative HTML to spruce up the screens.
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 11:31pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#168 of 212)
OH weel... I could do the creative HTML part, but I have no clue as to having an INET server. My site is off a Cobalt server
but I don’t think that’s close to the place where you are talking about....
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 11:39pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#169 of 212)
There's a poster to whom I owe an apology. She's been gone many years and no doubt won't see this but I want to say it
anyway. I'm afraid I helped run her off by being a jerk and she didn't really deserve it. Lee, I was an ass and regret my
actions back when you, mel, isis, Tony, Ditto and others first posted here.
Thanks ricco. I signed up but don't know that I'll post... I'm often amazed when any conservative gives me the time of
day as I've worked so hard to piss em off over the years.
Guess they identify with the bad ass, sorry side of my nature.. :-)
[Duffy] - 11:41pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#170 of 212)
You still have that count/sex handle, Primo? lol
They won't be able to screw up the election next time around. We will be watching them!
[SusieQueue] - 11:44pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#171 of 212)
Duh,
I think the software was called something like "wabbit." They use similar software over at TPS right now, but that site is
going bye-bye soon, too. You could maybe check it out and e-mail the hosts there to see if they'd give you any direction.
I doubt it, but it's a thought, anyway.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 12:26am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#172 of 212)
I thought about having it made into a bumper sticker, Duffy. :-)
That and GW being the Selected President just about says it all.
Do you remember how you asked me to verify I was actually the poster you thought? You thought I might be OJ and I
thought you might be Sherrie. LMAO
[Duffy] - 12:44am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#173 of 212)
LOLOL, yes I remember. I also made 'Fox's Dad' verify for me. LOL
(Your handle would be a FUNNY bumpersticker! Especially here in Ohio! LOL)
What the world needs now is love, sweet love! [kariannhopes] - 01:50am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#174 of 212)
ElPrimo, nice topic and I am happy to have met you! Please let me know where you'll be wandering too!
Libby and Duffy--you gals are the BEST! Love the crew on the "Night Owl" thread: Red, Edrieanne, RegalOne, Krissy,
U16, Sonybabe, Glencarr, Susan, Frankzzz, and others!
Cooter and OJ have added a uniqueness to this Board and Time 100s.
RRR, BirdsEye, Lucky, Fauforde, Tree Top, Anton, Darby, DaveGin, Ken S., and others!
Cool dudes and fine ladies.
Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 02:29am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#175 of 212)
Dave, you are a great guy...
Bush stole the election fair and square.. [lucky085] - 06:40am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#176 of 212)
I will say Dave has been a good moderator, and has very inciteful posts when he gets around to posting.
Good luck, Dave.
[Duffy] - 07:32pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#177 of 212)
Thank you Kariann! You're a sweetheart! :-)
I'd also like to mention a former poster named Vanya. I had forgotten about him. He was very cool and made a lot of
sense on several issues.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 07:41pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#178 of 212)
Dave was hardly ever insightful. He is/was a liberal. But anyhoo, this place will be missed. I'm just sorry that it broke
down into cliques. I didn't like high school the first time around.
Well, I see the screwup fairy has visited us again [Dan'l] - 09:15pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#179 of 212)
--"Dave was hardly ever insightful. He is/was a liberal."--
LOL! Yes, being mutually exclusive . . . how silly of us to participate thinking otherwise.
--"I'm just sorry that it broke down into cliques. I didn't like high school the first time around."--
Perhaps, but no doubt inevitable when a society develops over time, and getting to know each other.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 09:22pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#180 of 212)
LOL Dan'l. Mutually exclsuive indeed.
As to the second part, you're prolly correct. People settle in & join their groups. It just got vicious at times.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:25pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#181 of 212)
It's OK. My mom thinks I'm insightful.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 09:26pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#182 of 212)
I told Mrs. OJ about the boards closing down and that we'd have a lot more time to be together - talk - analyze our
relationship.
She's just thrilled - words fail.
Me too.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 09:27pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#183 of 212)
I wasn't trying to insult you Dave. And you seem like a great hubby which must mean you are a wonderful son.
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 09:29pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#184 of 212)
I told Mr. Duh the same thing OJ. He looked like deer caught in headlights.
Then he mumbled, "Does this mean we are going to get more animals?"
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:31pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#185 of 212)
That's funny. My Child Bride got this funny smile and began weeping.
Joy, I suppose.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 09:34pm Mar 22,
2001 EST (#186 of 212)
Mrs. hoeker was thrilled...
Then I showed her the new boards.
She's less thrilled now.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 09:38pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#187 of 212)
Thanks, Kariann. I wish we had been able to converse more, but I noticed and liked all your pots. I envisioned you as
this great looking, sweet intelligent Ddemocrat. Sort of along the lines of Julia Roberts or Goldie Hahn or Sally Field or
- well you get the drift. :-)
My wife asked if I would lose all my imaginary friends and have to start dealing with real people and have real
relationships.. :-)
This is going to be a major year of change for the wife (and me too). Her mother passed away a few months back and
the youngest daughter will be graduating high school and heading to college this year. Guess what? We might
actually have to learn to talk to each other.
I hope our marriage of 27 years can survive. LOL
I'm voting for Mr. Roosevelt [Mr. Serious Summer] - 09:50pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#188 of 212)
I have some regrets. I would have liked to talk to some people more: Dick H., BillC@stley; El Primo; and hoeker come
right to mind, but there are lots of others.
I regret that lara croft and I have refused to speak to each other (save one time) for four years. but only a little
And, most of all, I regret that I just don't have it in me to behave outrageously enough to get banned and by the time I
get enough bourbon in me to do so, I can't type anymore
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 09:57pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#189 of 212)
I want to apologize to Dave for making his live harder than was necessary - and from the running comments from the Pathfinder
Goofy-Reich Wing-Nutty Rod & Gun Club, Tuna Anglers, Bed-Wetters & Timing Association all of their problems on
this board were because of one man - a legend. A hero to many - beloved by all.
Oregon Jim
sniff, sniff, sob, sob, slobber, slobber
It's all so touching isn't it?
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 09:57pm Mar 22,
2001 EST (#190 of 212)
Damn, Mr. SS...
I just said something nice about you over at the Davka boards.
Thank you, my homeboy.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 10:08pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#191 of 212)
Seri, your personal knowledge of the inner city poor and different programs designed to help them (including your
charitable work) was fantastic in refuting the degrading stereotypes so favored by conservatives. So sad, that they so
often ran away when you presented them with the truth.
I was always impressed by your personal efforts, non inflamatory postings and level headed demeanor. Keep up the
good work.
3/31/01-Tear the goalposts down, boyz! [babblingbrook] - 12:44am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#192 of 212)
And Seri, we're bidding on some adjoining acres to El Rancho del Suenos for your olive ranch.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 01:12am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#193 of 212)
That's right. We need some for the martinis. (Can't stand the things myself. But there's no accounting for taste.)
I remember you're first foray into the boards, Seri. It was a pleasure getting to know you. Your posts combined
thoughtful with funny. And I admire what you've done with your work life.
I get up to Big D seldom, since I believe it to be the work of Satan. But when I do, I'd love to buy you a drink. Maybe
five.
Dave
Today is the first day of the rest of my life. [geogent] - 11:51am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#194 of 212)
ElPrimo, thanks for the kind words. It was easy since with minor exception, we generally agreed on whatever issue
was being discussed.
I'll not offer a lot of apologies here as I aplogized to those I offended at the time we were being contentious. As I
recall, I twice publically apologized to Babette9 ... and that stretched my magnanimity about as far as it would go.
Ray, I suspect that I really p***** you off early when we were posting in the same threads, probably because of my
naivete regarding the the law. You, more than anyone else, drove me to doing a bit more research, especially at
findlaw. My apology is offered.
glenn, I'll probably be taking a break and get back to my ancestry research. That will require some travel around
New England. Got lucky on line yesterday and found the dates and names of the ships when two of my ancestors came
to America.
OJ, without question, your 'discussions' and oft-handed comments made me laugh and smile hundreds of times.
Thanks.
Dave: "Libertarian? Isn't that a "Democrat" in Texas?"
I had to smile at that Dave. You do know of Ron Paul(R), TX, and Libertarian presidential candidate in 1988?
Serious, I also enjoyed our discussions. I remember your 'on the spot' news updates on Cheney with a smile, with
pictures, when he flew to WY to 'become' a registered voter. You did a great job on that.
Dick H
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 11:55am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#195 of 212)
Dick
You're a good man - the voice of reason around here.
Good posts tempered with large doses of humanity, humor and insight.
You were one of a kind...............................
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 11:56am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#196 of 212)
Dick, I remember at one point I got really pissed off at you over some minor political point. I realized later how silly I
was being. Good luck on the ancestry. I & some sisters have been to our maternal grandparents homes in Drumlish &
Glencar(Eire). There's only a stone wall remaining in Glencar so I grabbed a stone as a remembrance of my Grandma.
Today is the first day of the rest of my life. [geogent] - 11:59am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#197 of 212)
TonyK, we never really got along very well. If you think I took lightly what Libertarians had to say, I offer this from
our 1996 discussions.
Author: Tony Plank [tplank] ( ) Date: Apr 29 1997 2:43PM
I’m not really sure what GUTS are, but, I will take a stab at explaining how America has them (it?).
In the 17th Century, people seeking the freedom to practice their religion left Europe to settle a new and unknown
continent. They gave up the security of the known and braved a treacherous sea journey to travel to a wild and
inhospitable place called America. The first settlements were abysmal failures- but still they came. These first
patriots starved and they worked and then they starved some more. They were killed by the indigenous people and
isolated from civilization- but they stayed to pursue the idea of Freedom. Maybe that is GUTS?
In 1769, most people would have sneered at the thought of colonial secession from the British Empire. It was
unthinkable. But, by 1775 attitudes had changed and their emerged a consensus among American leadership that
something must be done or the Freedom which they had enjoyed might be permanently snatched away. They stood up
to one of the world’s great powers and risked everything in the cause of Freedom. The soldiers of the Continental
Army were volunteers who followed Washington though they were starving, unclothed and engaged in what
appeared to be a hopeless battle, all in the cause of Freedom. Maybe that is GUTS?
Soon after their revolution, America again faced a crisis. The economy was in a shambles and the Union was in name
only. The leadership again met to set things straight and they proposed and new Constitution that would protect
Freedom for all time. They did this in spite of the fact that all evidence would lead one to believe that a Union of this
sort was not possible. Every delegate to the Constitutional Convention had more to lose than to gain by this stronger
Union. After all, they were the leadership of their own States and what they proposed was to give up much of their
power. Rather than continue the proven path of State independence and luxuriate in their own personal ascendancy
to power, they chose the less likely course of Union. This they did in the cause of Freedom. Maybe that is GUTS?
Soon this new Nation’s legitimacy was challenged by the Barbary pirates and again Great Britain. Rather than pay
tribute to foreign despots as were many of the "great" nations, America took the war to the shores of Tripoli and won
international respect for the cause of Freedom. Soon, rather than submit to the conscription of its citizens into the
Royal Navy, America again fought Britain and after great suffering were victorious. This victory was won in spite of
long odds and early devastating defeats. The new nation fought on in the name of Freedom and prevailed. Maybe that
is GUTS?
By the middle of the 19th century, the young nation was torn asunder by the astonishing lack of freedom of black
Americans. America fought herself in a great internal battle that would determine what Freedom meant to its
citizens. The war went on for years because her leadership insisted that the American States would stay united and
her people, all her people this time, would be Free. This struggle for Freedom continued in spite of the temptation to
end the struggle. After all, what threat could a new Southern nation be to the industrial North? Politically, Lincoln
had every thing to gain by ending the war but America fought on in the name of Freedom. Maybe that is GUTS?
When Germany sank the Lusitania and sparked direct American involvement in W.W.I, many American were already
overseas serving in French and English uniforms. It was tempting for America to sit out this war completely. After
all, the war was principally a stalemate and there was little threat to the Freedom enjoyed on American soil. America
could of easily ignored the loss of a few ships and allowed Britain and France to continue the fight on their own, but,
what is Freedom worth if foreign powers can attack our citizens with impunity? America went to war again in the
cause of freedom and her sons died a death just as real the sons of France and England. This sacrifice was not viewed
as vain because we shed our blood for the idea of Freedom. Maybe that is GUTS?
When W.W.II came to American shores in 1941, the American industrial machine was already producing the bulk of
the armaments being used by the Allied nations in defense of Freedom. Americans again shed blood in the cause of
Freedom when her youth went ashore in Normandy rather than Honshu. The physical threat to America in the 1940s
was the one from the West not the East, but, America knew that a Europe liberated by the Red Army would not enjoy
Liberty even if the yoke of Nazism was throw off with American supplied weapons. America chose to engage Hitler
before Tojo because of Freedom and American blood spilled in pools that were just as red as the pools of blood that the
English sons died in. At the end of this conflict, America used the Atomic Bomb in a terrible display that brought a
quick end to the bloody cnflict and for the first time democracy to Japan. America was winning the Pacific war long
before 1945, and the A-bomb was not the only way to defeat the Empire of Japan. Had that bomb not been dropped, the
sons of England, France, Australia, Canada and many other great nations would have died along side Americans
because this would have been required to advance the cause of Freedom. Maybe that is GUTS.
Kirk, you may find me to be "unduly proud" but I have no shame in extolling the virtues of my country. I take
nothing away from other nations when I waive an American flag. Your implicit assertion that the American
contribution to the cause of freedom is so minimal that it should be ridiculed is an assertion that I find offensive. The
irony of your disdain for America is that if brave patriots had not made the sacrifices I described in detail, you would
probably be brushing up on your German or Russian today rather than posting to the internet. If your ideas were not
so pathetic, you would be funny.
America is far from perfect but, as always, we a striving to be better. Do not doubt our willingness to sacrifice for a
noble cause; we have proven that in sacrifices of the past. We will stand aside the nations of the world who also love
freedom and with them continue to defend that which we hold dear. Soon, the whole world will enjoy the Freedom
which we are privileged to know, and, God willing, the Dream which is America, will become the Reality of the World.
Tony P on Libertarians: Yes, you are correct. An LP platform that just says do all of this immediately will bring
Libertarians nothing but failure and libertarians nothing but heartache. That is where the more level headed people
can make an impact, however, in moderating the tone of platform so that people will open their minds rather than
plugging their ears because of what they percieve as radical agendas."
I wish I could have written those words about America.
Dick H
Anyone remember Hasenfus? [Hardigan] - 01:08pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#198 of 212)
"Well. I'd like to take the opportunity to apologize to everyone I've ever been mean to here.
Except Hardigan. He's such a crap factory."
That just means, *sniff*, so much to me, Noel. Excuse me, I'm feeling a little verklempt...talk amongst yourselves..
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:10pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#199 of 212)
Hardigan, I think she was trying to be humorous. It's hard when plainbull is yer example.
[lara croft] - 09:12pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#200 of 212)
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 01:12am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#193 of 199) That's right.
We need some for the martinis. (Can't stand the things myself. But there's no accounting for taste.)
Hey now, watch out.
A dirty martini can be a very yummy. Can be? Heck no, a dirty martini is sheer heaven.
[Duffy] - 09:14pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#201 of 212)
I hope our marriage of 27 years can survive. LOL
I hope so too. Good luck Primo. ;-)
[SusieQueue] - 09:35pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#202 of 212)
El Primo...
This is going to be a major year of change for the wife (and me too). Her mother passed away a few months back and
the youngest daughter will be graduating high school and heading to college this year. Guess what? We might
actually have to learn to talk to each other.
I hope our marriage of 27 years can survive. LOL
It really IS a small (cyber) world, isn't it? My mother died in December, and we shipped our daughter off to college --
clear on the other side of the country -- last fall. Our son won't be far behind. All of those changes are a big part of
the reason I've spent less time at PF and other internet sites this past year. And Mr. Queue and I have spent more time
together. I've even become addicted to watching "The West Wing" on Wednesday nights with him, when I hardly ever
used to watch TV at all except for football games.
We're coming up on anniversary #25 this year. I long ago quit worrying about "survival." I just take it one day at a
time....
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 01:22am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#203 of 212)
Small world , Susie. I know what you mean about taking it one day at a time. Maybe, like with Pathfinder, things are
meant to change. Things die and new things are born. Who knows? Sometimes I see old couples together at
restaurants and they aren't even talking to each other. It's like everything has been said and they have nothing left.
Kinda sad. I've also seen them in the super market where the old man if following along behind the woman while she
runs the show. They say women actually get more testosterone as they age and there is a role reversal. I sort of saw
this happen to my dad.(God, I hope I die first LOL)
Susie, I'd like to send you an e-mail as I'd like to get your take on something. I didn't see you listed on the e-mail
address thread so would you shoot me a note at elprimo666@yahoo.com?
What the world needs now is love, sweet love! [kariannhopes] - 05:57am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#204 of 212)
ElPrimo, your post made my day! You like my pots? Hehehe...
Have fun in your marriage! :o)
<muttering to myself> Dare I tell him I am on Duh's photo site or let him keep thinking I look like Goldie Hawn? (Don't I wish?)
Today is the first day of the rest of my life. [geogent] - 12:44pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#205 of 212)
ElPrimo: "It's like everything has been said and they have nothing left."
Or that all of those things that were 'crises' when getting established; bringing up children and getting them on the
way; dealing with financial obligations; establishing what have truly become long term friendships; making a home;
and growing up together; etc., have been resolved.
Sometimes that silence means nothing more than love and understanding at a level where words alone are no longer
necessary ... at least for those involved. Yes ... in that sense, all that truly needs to be said has been said and the
absence of discussion is the acceptance of mutual love and understanding.
What they do have left is a peace that some will never enjoy.
Dick H
AKA SGTTAG, [gandolf] - 12:57pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#206 of 212)
Rocket asked a question several posts back about why I wasn't as stupid as Sarge. Well I logged off right before the
y2k upheavel. Sarge thought something big was gonna happen. I stayed off the net for a year.
My whole belief system was in shock after nothing happened. Therefore, I changed my outlook on a great many
things.
Gays: Let them live as productive citizens with the same rights, responsibilities and protections Hetros have. Before
Sarge didn't believe this.
Guns: Although they are specifically mentioned as a right in the Bill of Rights. Existing Law should be better
enforced. Sarge didn't believe existing Law was constitutional before.
Drugs: Legalize and regulate the hell out of them, like big Government is good at doing. They won't be a problem
anymore after that.
Abortion: Sarge used to think that any woman who would kill her child was guilty of murder. Now I believe in letting
the woman decide. With certain restrictions. I don't really know what those restrictions should be, but I know we
should have some.
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 12:58pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#207 of 212)
Dick
I've been involved in doing family research off and on for the past few years. Let me know if I can help.
rpittman@panola.com
BTW, no apology needed. I enjoyed our jousts because you were always civil. I did get frustrated at times, and may
have gotten a little grumpy, but never p**sed of at you. Apologies for the grumping.
Give me a holler. I know of some family forums where you can trade into with people who may turn out to be family. I
found two Texas cousins that way. They have been a real inspiration and a lot of help. Both have very extensive
family research and we have traded a lot. Turns out that I had info on a branch of our family that had been lost for
many years.
I'm voting for Mr. Roosevelt [Mr. Serious Summer] - 01:01pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#208 of 212)
Dick H.,
I've probably said this before, but when (if?) I ever grow up, I want to be just like you.
Ser
I'm voting for Mr. Roosevelt [Mr. Serious Summer] - 01:02pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#209 of 212)
and I want to cook like Ray.
Today is the first day of the rest of my life. [geogent] - 01:26pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#210 of 212)
Ray, thanks. Actually, no apology was necessary. While you took issue with what I wrote, I can't recall you ever
attacking me personally. Yes, you were grumpy at times, but it was that that made me do some research and to learn.
I've done quite a bit of family research on line during the winter months. In the past week, I've found a couple of the
family immigrants on passenger lists. I have annual subscriptions to a couple on line sites like ancestry.com and
genealogy.com.
With help, I've been pretty successful. A little over two years ago, I didn't know my paternal grandfather's name.
Recently I downloaded a copy of his Civil War veteran's status, along with that of three of his brothers.
Serious: " I've probably said this before, but when (if?) I ever grow up, I want to be just like you."
Even my kids might suggest you reconsider that. {;^)
Dick H
[*Noel*] - 09:35pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#211 of 212)
Glencarr -- I see you're still doing a wonderful job of staying "above it all" when it comes to ad-homs.
You really are a shining example for us all.
There's fever in the funkhouse now [ex-glencarr] - 09:38pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#212 of 212)
Thanks, toots. Got any race jokes for us?
