GW.... [G. Washington] - 08:44pm Mar 7, 1999 EST (#1 of 2088)

Hello, I'm GW

Since I started this thread, it seems fair that I go first. For those of you who already know me, I beg your indulgence.

I live in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio.
I'm an editor at a fairly large software company.
I've been married for 21 years, and have 3 kids. My oldest daughter is in college (she's a freshman at Providence College), my
other daughter is in 7th grade, and my son is in 3rd grade.
I'm a staunch Republican. I became a Republican for the first time midway through Jimmy Carter's administration. Ronald
Reagan was the first Republican president I voted for. I must have elements of liberalism or moderation, though, since I'm
sympathetic to the cause of gay rights, and I don't want to make abortion a political issue.
My philosophy of politics is, less government is good government. Get government out of people's lives. Get government out of
our way so we can succeed.
I like sports, movies, and the martial arts. I studied Hung Gar kung fu for years, but I've lately come to appreciate karate. All
martial arts are the same, basically. They're not about fighting; they're about teaching you how to live, and helping you
develop inner peace.
My most admired politician these days is my congressman, John Kasich. I think he would make a wonderful president. Least
admired politician? Mr. Clinton. And I don't think much of his wife, either (though I think she's a hot babe).
Religion? I was raised Catholic, but that didn't survive Vietnam. I've been Buddhist for 20 years, and happily so. My wife is a
Methodist, but I overlook that, since she's a good cook.
Philosophy of life? Do it right the first time, or you'll have to be reborn and do it all over again.
I'd like to hug Holly Hunter, a wonderful actress and a devastatingly attractive woman.
I'd like to punch Ted Kennedy for being a self-righteous horse's ass, and for killing that girl at Chappaquiddick and then being
a weasel about it.
Anything else I'd like to add? I don't think so.



Everything we see is in the past [ensign expendable] - 12:34pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#2 of 2088)

ensign expendable


Central Washington..so far most of the snow has missed us this year!
I work for a radiologist. We specialize in CT, MRI and Osteoporosis screening.
Married 14 years. Two children. Our son is 10 years old and our daughter is 7. Side Note: Our son was born 11 weeks premature and has
Down syndrome. He spent 80 days in a neonatal intensive care unit and is truly a miracle. My daughter is no less a miracle, but was
only 4 weeks premature.
Democrat..but I don't defend Bill Clinton anymore nor do I believe Republicans have a lock on truth and honor. I intend to write in
Homer J. Simpson's name for the next presidential election.
Read a lot. Hooked on Science Fiction and Fantasy..although I'll read almost anything. Taking up roller blades.
I'll have to come back to this one
Attend Catholic church weekly...but not a Catholic.
Life is precious and fleeting. Hold on to your loved ones and friendships.
Arthur C. Clarke..A Giant!
Punch..no one.
Pathfinder love that edit button!

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 12:56pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#3 of 2088)

-New York City
-An editor at an electronics magazine
-Divorced with a serious girlfriend
- Left-leaning moderate
-Socially soft, fiscally hard
-Computers, Sci-Fi, Golf, life
-Floyd Flake
-Bob Barr
- None of the above(lapsed Catholic)
- Carpe Diem
-Nelson Mandella
-Bill CLinton
There are people here who take all of this stuff way too seriously. Life is short-have some laughs!

"we are idiots, babe - it's a wonder we can even feed ourselves"... [Rocketman57] - 01:14pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#4 of 2088)

Wichita, KS.

psych nurse.

85% gay, single, no kids that I know of.

Democratic (ex-repub, ex-indy).

Boils down to who HAS and who has NOT.

Love film. Love rockin'. Love NFL games.

JFK, RFK. NixxoN, televangelist politicos.

Methodist agnostic.

Do what ever you want unless it hurts someone. Keep faith in hope and hope in faith.

Elton.

Jerry Felwall...twice !

the_rocket_is@hotmail.com
Let us not waste time...it's what life is made of... [babblingbrook] - 01:59pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#5 of 2088)

Where do you live? Lost Coast of California

What do you do for a living? Retired from 'moom pitcher biz'; dabble in web page design

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Much & happily divorced; two kids; two grandkids.

What's your political affiliation?

Independent with more affinity for Dems, but have even voted for a Libertarian once.

What's your philosophy of politics?

First, kill the lobbyists...then we'll talk.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

People, antiques, garden design,teaching seniors how to surf the Net, annoy my children.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

No great hero comes to mind. Can't stand Barr or DeLay.

What's your religion?

Convent school still rotating on it's axis since I left. Believe in a supreme power....but leery of any organization of man.

What's your philosophy of life?

Be grateful; be kind; be alive.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

From Pathfinder? Dave's...for putting up with all of us. If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics,
entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Nobody.....just had a manicure.

Anything else you'd like to add?

Don't think so...

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[Nessus] - 02:12pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#6 of 2088)

oWhere do you live? Maryland.

oWhat do you do for a living? Hospitality industry

oMarried 14 years, with two children.

oWhat's your political affiliation? Independent.

oWhat's your philosophy of politics? Compromise may bring out the worst of both positions, but it also spreads the blame around. The
planet doesn't care whether we live here or not, so let's not provoke it. The fact that I'm right doesn't prevent you from believing
I'm not, or acting on that belief, and that's how you win at poker. A sacrifice fly may be useful, but no successful player ever goes to
the plate intending to make an out. Don't make change from the collection plate - you may need help later on.

oWhat do you do for fun? Play guitar, cook, play with my kids.

oWhat are your interests? History, science, baseball.

oWho do you admire most in politics? Patrick Moynihan

oWho do you admire least? Tom DeLay

oWhat's your religion? Recovering Catholic.

oWhat's your philosophy of life? No one ever lost anything from being polite. None of this is as serious as you think it is.

Nessus

plain bill [hoffmann] - 02:13pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#7 of 2088)

Thanks for restarting this thread, G. W., it has always been fun. Seem to be a lot of Washington folk here, so far.

Where do you live?--Whatcom County, Washington, about 3 miles outside Bellingham

What do you do for a living?--retired mechanical engineer.

I am married, have three children. The oldest is 34, the youngest is 14. Many of you know the middle one, Noel.

What's your political affiliation?--Card carrying dues paying Libertarian.

What's your philosophy of politics?--The founders had it right. We should be complying with the Constitution.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?--Bulletin boards, guns, Aladdin lamps and following the wife and kids around.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?--NOTA

What's your religion?--not very.

What's your philosophy of life?--one day at a time doing the best I can.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?--I would like to give Galit a big hug and hope she would begin posting here again.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?--NOTA. Libertarians don't initiate violence.

Anything else you'd like to add?--That should be enough for anyone.

In Liberty

plain bill, proud Libertarian, Any Rand/crusty old farts wing

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 03:09pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#8 of 2088)

I'll be 67 years old in April. I was widowed, but married again. St. Patrick's Day will be our 15th Anniversary.

We have no children that are, technically, ours. That would probably require TWO new stars in the East. (My vasectomy and her
hysterectomy)

Together, we have six children, three each. We had seven, but my wife's youngest daughter was murdered in November. Her two boys,
the oldest 6 and the youngest 19 months, are living with us, at least for now. We have nine other grandchildren and my youngest
daughter is 6 months pregnant. We also have two great-grandchildren.

For thirty years, I ran a family-owned company that manufactures construction equipment. We sold to a larger company in 1993. I
won't tell you what I do now, but I'll give you a clue. I have a cap that says, "RETIRED, don't ask me to do a damn thing!"

I'm an Air Force Veteran (Korean War) and a graduate of Western Kentucky University.

I'm a disgruntled Democrat who thinks like an Independent and sometimes votes for a Republican. I do not let some political hack in
Washington do my thinking for me and I have NEVER voted a straight ticket for ANY party.

I have lived my entire life in South Central Kentucky except for a couple of years in the Air Force. I have, however, done a lot of
traveling, mostly on business, but I always stayed a few extra days when I was someplace interesting.

Herb [knitknee] - 03:18pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#9 of 2088)

Herb ... 49-year-old white male ... retired Air Force officer ... currently employed as 'government scientist' ... home in Northern
Virginia suburbs of DC ... graduate of Penn State and Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, CA ... still joyously married to saintly first
wife going on 29 years ... 22-year-old son (my only worthwhile achievement) living at home, solving Sprint's Y2K problems, and
piling up the cash ... Baltimore Orioles fan ... is it Spring yet? ... last novel read: "Atticus" by Ron Hansen ... now reading "Rising Tide:
The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America" by John M. Barry ... greatest 8 hours of TV: "Lonesome Dove" ...
favorite bar: "Snook Inn" at the Marco Island (FL) marina ... anything else?

Townes Vanzandt fan [BREECHBLOCK] - 03:57pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#10 of 2088)

43 years old. I've been an Air Force enlisted man, Army enlisted man, Army Officer, Game Warden, Landfill operator and EPA inspector.

Degree Geology.

Just got married a year or so ago...maybe two...seems like twenty. (nah)

Just reat Robertson's biography of Stonewall Jackson. Just bought Ira Kershaw's book on Hitler "Hubris"

I was brought up to be an athlete. Three sports in high school, two in college. I now run 2500-3000 miles a year. (50,000 miles since
1979) Three or four time Boston Marathon qualifier. In the middle of training season, I rarely see my new wife. I am the race director
of the third largest 1/2 marathon in my state.

My heroes: Ronald Reagan (still), Vince Lombardi, George Patton and U.S. Grant. Emory Upton

Anti-heroes: Any politician apologeticaly American.

Never been to church in my life.

play guitar.

other than that un-accomplished.

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 04:25pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#11 of 2088)

I've posted my background before......

So.....just want to say that I'm the guy NO ONE LIKES, because I criticize Dems and Reps and the Bureaucracy and our Justice System and
especially El Presidentes, as I've known a few of ALL of the above.

"The Price of Liberty is Constant Vigilance"...................

We ALL know who said that....now don't we?

GW.... [G. Washington] - 04:33pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#12 of 2088)

Bill Russell: Many of us have posted our bios before, but there are many new people here since the last time.

Please post your bio. (And please forget the self-pitying "No one likes me." That could be a self-fulfilling prophecy.)

Mike® "Toss my Salad" [jesters1] - 04:48pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#13 of 2088)

I'm a gay, baptist, dope smoking, meth dealing Republican with 2 wives and 4 kids. I play in a grunge band on the weekends and I love
cats. Any questions?

My real life is so boring I thought I'd post this instead.

[birdzeye2] - 04:48pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#14 of 2088)

I live in Maryland, outside Washington DC. I work for the gummint as a chemist (but don't work in the lab anymore).

Married 25 years, but no kids. At least no human kids. I do have one cockatoo or, I should say, he owns me.

I consider myself a social liberal and fiscal conservative. After working for several years for a very sexist employer (an agency of
the Federal Government!), I am very concerned about women's rights issues -- particularly issues regarding working women -- but
do not belong to any feminist organization (too leftist for me).

In my spare time (which isn't much, since I have to attend to a very demanding cockatoo), I like to quilt, swim laps, and watch the
outdoor birds at my backyard feeders.

I don't admire anybody in politics, but I really dislike Tom DeLay and Bob Barr.

I'd love to slap DeLay and Barr, and also Phyllis Schlafly and Bev LaHaye.

"we are idiots, babe - it's a wonder we can even feed ourselves"... [Rocketman57] - 04:51pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#15 of
2088)

"I'm a gay, baptist, dope smoking, meth dealing Republican with 2 wives and 4 kids."

Sure your name ain't Paul and you don't live in south Wichita???

Mike® "Toss my Salad" [jesters1] - 04:54pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#16 of 2088)

Whose Paul from Kansas? I must have missed something.

"we are idiots, babe - it's a wonder we can even feed ourselves"... [Rocketman57] - 04:55pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#17 of
2088)

What else is new? :-)

Tonight I'm Gonna Party like it's 1968...The Artiste formally know as Tsean [TSean] - 04:56pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#18 of
2088)

Jester; I'm Shocked after reading your Bio....

You love Cats?

Geez...I'm revolted.......

Mike® "Toss my Salad" [jesters1] - 05:00pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#19 of 2088)

Teehee :-)

[Snow Pea] - 05:00pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#20 of 2088)

I have six toes on my left foot.

Mike® "Toss my Salad" [jesters1] - 05:01pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#21 of 2088)

That's not what I heard.

[unique123] - 05:05pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#22 of 2088)

i am too scared to introduce myself because there are a lot of cyber stalkers out there who might try to come and find me because i
kill babies*

I'll move on when he moves out! [Conservative and proud] - 05:08pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#23 of 2088)

Where do you live? Washington state

Age 18

What do you do for a living? Student, future attorney, I plan on enlisting in the U.S. Army soon, might run for a George W. Bush
alternate delegate spot at the GOP convention next year.

What's your political affiliation? Conservative Republican

What's your philosophy of politics? Pro-life, in favor of tax cuts, end affirmative action, stop illegal immigrants, build missile
defense, be self reiliant, don't depend on the government for everything.

What do you do for fun? Read, Golf, computer games, watch TV

What are your interests? Politics, history, birds, cats

Who do you admire most in politics? Ronald Reagan

Who do you admire least? BJ Clinton

What's your religion? Protestant

What's your philosophy of life? I'm not quite sure yet. Ask me when I'm 25.

Tonight I'm Gonna Party like it's 1968...The Artiste formally know as Tsean [TSean] - 05:12pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#24 of
2088)

I'm disappointed Unique....

I was quivering with anticipation to find out what's behind that twist-o-flex mind of yours........

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 05:15pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#25 of
2088)

TSean:

You don't like cats?

Don't you know they taste just like chicken?

[unique123] - 05:15pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#26 of 2088)

2 things tsean - 1.years and years of genetic engineering. 2.years and years of ingestion of brain altering substances.

[JRTerrier] - 05:17pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#27 of 2088)

Hi! Thanks for starting this thread!

My name is Michelle. The "JRTerrier" comes from my two Jack Russell Terriers....they are great little dogs and are my "children"
(for right now). I am engaged to be married this May. I can't wait!

I'm 32, live in Charlotte NC, and work in the Capital Markets area of a regional bank. My BS degree in Economics from Clemson comes
in handy working right on the bond trading floor. It is really exciting.

I consider myself a Republican, but I have been known to vote for the person not the party, and will even admit to voting for
Harvey Gantt several years ago for US Senate instead of Jesse Helms!!

I think government ought to stay out of our lives as much as possible, and I'm quite sure the Founding Fathers did not intend for
there to be "career" politicians. I'm a Southern Baptist and a firm believer in "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I
also think that what you make of your life is your own responsibility; no one owes you a color TV. Our form of government
recognizes inalienable rights given by the Creator, (not given by the government, since the government can take rights away) and
we have the freedom to PURSUE happiness, but are not guaranteed happiness by the Constitution.

There are few contemporary politicians that I admire, but I've always liked Abraham Lincoln. I wish lobbyists could be outlawed,
and that we had more regular citizens representing us in Congress. I also like John McCain (seems like a straight-shooter) and
Elizabeth Dole (lots of class).

In my spare time, I love to play with the dogs, read, travel, play golf, scuba dive, and plant flowers.

I would have loved to have met Mother Theresa. I'd shake David Robinson's hand. He's a good guy. I'd probably smack Bill Clinton if I
could, but I'd feel bad about hitting him later. Maybe I'd tell him to put some ice on it...ha ha ha!!

Well, thanks for letting me ramble. Have a good day!

GW.... [G. Washington] - 05:22pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#28 of 2088)

. I'd probably smack Bill Clinton if I could, but I'd feel bad about hitting him later. Maybe I'd tell him to put some ice on it...ha ha ha!!

Michelle: That was pretty good.

I liked your bio.

Welcome aboard.

Tonight I'm Gonna Party like it's 1968...The Artiste formally know as Tsean [TSean] - 05:24pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#29 of
2088)

Actually Guy they make me Sneese...

and I have a Female Amstaff that thinks all the neighbor cats want to play with her....

They, of course want to rip her face off....

Just this weekend.....55 dollar vet bill....

Scares the crap outta my daughter, but the dog....No threshold of pain on that breed......she's good as new but her face looks like she
lost a fight with a barb wire fence.........

[Once Again] - 05:51pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#30 of 2088)

Interesting thread, GW. Here goes...

Where do you live? - Illinois

What do you do for a living? - Specialty machinery.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? - Very happily married (I think my wife is too). No kids, thank God. That's probably why we
still like each other.

What's your political affiliation? - Republican, as long as the goofs who think they run the party don't drive me away.

What's your philosophy of politics? - Politics is too important to be left to the politicians. Send some working stiffs to D.C. and the
statehouses for a change. But don't let them stay very long. There's something in the air or water that's bad inside the beltway.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? - Politics, sailing, golf, a good book, travel.

Who do you admire most in politics? - Everett Dirksen, Ike, Truman, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, and a Republican pol from around
these parts, Dick Ogilvie. (Notice the absence of any of the mopes in power now?)

Who do you admire least? - Most of the lowlife in politics today.

What's your religion? - Religion is man trying to get to God (mostly to tell Him what to do). I just believe in God. God's been trying to
get to us for years but religion always gets in the way.

What's your philosophy of life? - Time is our most precious asset. Don't you try to waste mine. I won't permit it.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? - Michael Jordan.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? -
William Jefferson Clinton - Lowlife in Chief.

Anything else you'd like to add? - Nope.

[tokheim] - 06:10pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#31 of 2088)

Tempe, Arizona
Mgr @ Nuclear Power Plant
M - 3 kids,1-HS,2-College,dog,birds
Republican
Moderate, Goldwater fan,vote for dems
Movies,Restore Antique Gas Pumps
Most-McCain, Least-Clinton
Protestant, inactive reserve
Less goverment, Feds to Municipal
Mohammad Ali
Susan Estrich

[Snow Pea] - 06:26pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#32 of 2088)

Okay, aside from the six toes . . .

Where do you live?

Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

What do you do for a living?

Member of the human race. Perform duties as a marketing communications manager for a marine electronics manufacturer in
order to obtain hard currency.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Most definitely gay. Have been in a monogamous relationship for 16 years. Fooled around in college with opposite sex but not aware
of any children.

What's your political affiliation?

I hail from a long line of hard-core Democrats and carry on tradition. Mom wouldn’t speak to me otherwise.

What's your philosophy of politics?

They’re all untrustworthy, but somebody’s gotta do it.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Travel, spend time with cats.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

This is a tough one. Lately, I would say that the Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee impressed me most while the
Republican members of same made me sick.

What's your religion?

Atheist recovering from a Catholic upbringing.

What's your philosophy of life?

Carpe diem.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Another tough one. Of Pathfinder posters, I feel the most affection for Hoeker, Babblingbrook, Sherrie, OJ, Guy Montag, TSean,
Spagz, Rocketman and anyone else I may have forgotten. I think Dave Gin is very cool.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

I’ve really wanted to slap Robin Williams lately.

Anything else you'd like to add?

I’m glad to be a member in good standing of the Pathfinder Lonely Losers Club (thanks, Keroba). And thanks to GW for creating this
thread yet again.

[dutch girl] - 06:37pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#33 of 2088)

I live in the Seattle area of Washington State.

I've been a full-time Domestic Engineer for two years.

I've been happily married to a wonderful man for 8 years. I have a 15 year-old step-son. We have two cats and an African Grey
Parrot.

I am a Conservative living in a very Liberal State.

I think our country needs less government and more individual freedom. I believe in the Constitution.

I think Ronald Reagan was the best President I ever voted for... I think Clinton is the worst President I never voted for.

I enjoy reading, bird-watching, love all animals, listening to classical music, spending time with my husband.

I am a Christian, which I don't consider a religion, but an individual relationship.

I believe in personal responsibility. I believe in helping those who help themselves. I believe God created everyone equal, and that
God is the only One who has the right to judge.

I would like to shake Ronald Reagan's hand... I would like to slap Bill Clinton, but he might enjoy it too much.


[14Adams] - 06:48pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#34 of 2088)

I wanna play this time, as I did not in previous incarnations of this topic..

>Where do you live?>> Northern NJ, but I only live here. I am a proud native of NW PA, where we kept the Ohesians on
their side of the border by any means necessary. NJ will never be home. >>What do you do for a living?>> Writer/web
designer/speaker on conservation advocacy issues and fly fishing. >>Married? Single? Gay? Have children?>>
Relatively newly married to the most wonderful woman on earth. >>What's your political affiliation?>> Green liberal
republican or moderate democrat. Proud defender of PA's long tradition of moderate GOP senators. Wanna brain Rick
Santorum for sullying this tradition. He is not worthy of PA. >>What's your philosophy of politics?>> Pragmatic. Know
the winning votes are in the center of the electorate. Cannot understand why the ideologues of both stripes do not
understand this. >>What do you do for fun? What are your interests?>> History. angling, letting the air out of
ideologues. >>Who do you admire most in politics?>> James E. Carter, 39th President of the US. Flawed, but real. >>Who do
you admire least? >> RW Reagan. A fine president in the Eisenhower mold, but the times called for better. >>What's your
religion?>> Lapsed Lutheran >>What's your philosophy of life?>> "Get there firstest with the mostest". Gen. NB Forrest.
Follow the golden rule until you are all but an amputee, then strike back hard. You'll feel better knowing you did all
possible prior to the storm. >>If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics,
entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?>> Mrs. 14Adams., >If you could punch or slap one person,
from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?>> Rick Santorum, for assuming
he is qualified to serve in the US Senate. >>Anything else you'd like to add?>> Ohesians who complain about
environmental law, yet come to PA to recreate in the mountains will be shot. No exceptions.



I can't think of a damn thing to write [FAUFORDE] - 08:23pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#35 of 2088)

I love reading these threads, GW, thanks!

Where do you live?

West Michigan, the Sunset side of the state. You can't have our water, so don't even ask.

What do you do for a living?

I am a manager of customer services for telecommunications company.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

No, yes, yes, no.

What's your political affiliation?

I was once a Republican (I consider it a youthful indescretion), then I became a Democrat. I have voted for Republicans in my life,
as recently as 1996. Now, I am finding it difficult to let myself to have a label.

What's your philosophy of politics?

I was a political junkie in my early teens and now, in my late thirties, I am finding our politicians as celeberties tiresome.

I accept thier dishonesty as inevitable, some are more dishonest, more of the time, than others. I do like to see a good political
strategy form and succeed, however.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

I like to read and jog. I like gardening, when the weather is good. I love the beach, animals, computer games, and getting together
with some friends for euchre, hearts,and beers. I am in school part-time working on a Master's program.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire

This is too difficult. I admire both Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich for their no-holds-barred political soccer riot. It was a good match,
and their fans were not disappointed. From the begining, you knew only one was gonna make it.

Other than that, "admire" isn't a word that comes to mind.

least?

Any politician who believes their own personal faith should be made into law.

What's your religion?

Episcopal. Or, as I've heard it called, Catholic Lite.

>What's your philosophy of life?

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the Saints.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be?

Well, I'm not really a "hugger", but I'd like to shake hands and talk to the authors of the bible, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther
King, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon, Clinton, and Lucille Ball, for starters. And I'd like to meet so many posters from here, like GW,
Sherrie, hoeker, Rocketman, guy, libby, cooter, Robny, Linguist, and many others I know I am leaving out, sorry!

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be?

Well, I'm not really a "slapper" but, whoever wrote those 'Mentos' commercials could use an atomic wedgie.

‘Oh, you’ll probably get off with crucifixion.’ – ‘Crucifixion?!’ [Sundance] - 09:06pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#36 of 2088)

"I also think that what you make of your life is your own responsibility; no one owes you a color TV."

I agree, Michelle. We should stop this government program to give away color TVs right now!

[mountain skier] - 10:34pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#37 of 2088)

I just moved to Hawai'i (windward side Oahu)

I am in the military

Going on 5 years marriage - no kids yet

Libertarian leaning Republican

Political philosophy - Less government, more common sense (that'll be the day!!)

I enjoy the outdoors - camping, hiking, biking, snow skiing, SCUBA, kayaking. World Cup fanatic.

Nobody comes to mind for who I amire most in politics. The President for who I admire least.

religion - Roman Catholic (the American version).

Philosophy of life - Treat others with respect and live an honest truthful life. Strive to do the best work you can. And always take
care of your family.

I would like to shake Colin Powell's hand.

I would like to slap at least 2/3 of Congress, no particular party.

[dwellej] - 10:49pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#38 of 2088)

There are some interesting people posting here, particularly their hobbies & interests, and what they do for a living.

[unique123] - 10:51pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#39 of 2088)

sure are dwellej... still waiting for my fellow terrorist though. 'bout time to give up.

Hey, Pal! Do I look like a FREEKIN' people person to you? [Duh...] - 11:13pm Mar 8, 1999 EST (#40 of 2088)

OkeeDokee - here goes...
Wichita "the armpit of the midwest" Kansas...
Used to be a photojournalist, now a graphic designer...
Unless there is huge amounts of money involved, will never get married - see no reason for it - nononononono - never -nada
-nyet. But, I have a houseboy name Ken who services most of my needs adequately.
Lefty, liberal (not a money-throwing-at-everything-liberal, though)
I live in my own world where the universe revolves around me, and thusly I am supremely right, unless I'm not. Then, I have
been misled by evil forces.
I like animals, I like TV, I like RUM, boy do I like RUM, I like picturing Cooter in a speedo, or GW nekkid, I like Red Riding Hood, I
REALLY like the wolf, I like pop. Dr. Who and Robert Redford do it for me, big time, I like the Refreshments - Alanis M. - Violent
Femmes, I like NPR.
RFK, MLK classic influences. That one chick who's the head of planned parenthood - love her. Donahue - so I like him - its a free
country. Bunch others. Two I can live without - Strom and Jesse.
I paint my nekkid blue and red and dance around camp fires... OH RELIGION!!! Well, agnostic.
See #5. Also, there's nothing that can't be funnier.
I just want to have big bunches of cyberlovin' from ya all.

Green, green so f'n green [Richos] - 01:33am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#41 of 2088)

Another GW "Introduce yourself" thread. A request or a command?

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

And GW sinks to new lows.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 08:53am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#42 of
2088)

TSean:

Actually Guy they make me Sneese...

Wasn't that a Ringo song???

"Please,please,please,please, it only makes me sneeze/and that will make it hard to find the door"

(apologies to Ringo and/or the true author of the song if I've screwed it up...)

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 08:56am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#43 of
2088)

FAUFORDE:

Episcopal. Or, as I've heard it called, Catholic Lite.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! It's funny 'cuz it's true! I have a very good friend who's an Episcopalian minister. That's exactly what he
calls it, too...

Episcopal: All the religion, half the guilt

Well, I'm not really a "slapper" but, whoever wrote those 'Mentos' commercials could use an atomic wedgie.

I agree. Maybe even a twirling wedgie...

PS: Thanks to you and Snow for the kind words! BLUSH!

Green, green so f'n green [Richos] - 08:57am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#44 of 2088)

no no no I don't smoke it no more

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 08:58am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#45 of
2088)

I'm tired of waking up on the floor...

[twillard] - 09:33am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#46 of 2088)

Geez, I have so much in common with GW--why does he have to be so damn conservative! Let's see...

I've lived in every major city in Ohio except Columbus and Dayton, although I'm familiar with the bus stations in both cities.
I'll be married 21 years this June. Three kids. Two in college, one in high school.
I believe that less government makes for better government, but that in today's society we're never going to get the
government completely out of our lives.
I'm up to brown belt in Karate--along with my son. I can still whip his ass pretty good ...
Born Methodist, my wife is Catholic. I went through a Buddhist phase--very impressed with them generally, but now I'm on
to something more eclectic. Look here if you wish, but be warned that it's a work in progress--could be different six months
from now.
Don't really have anyone I'd like to slap, but I wouldn't mind hugging Milla Jovovich. She's a babe!



[new man] - 10:23am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#47 of 2088)

I grew up in West Philadelphia now live in Drexel Hill a suburb of Phila.

I spent 4 years in the Navy. as a Electrician I'm now a Mechanical trades supervisor at a College

Married 39 great years, have 4 Kids, and 9 Grand kids

For fun I race my 89 Mustang GT ! I enjoy working on my car trying to get every MPH I can get out of it!

I think that I like Jimmy Carter most of all! I think Bill Clinton is a disgrace to the office!

I was raised Catholic now I'm a born again Jesus loving Christian!

I'd like to shake Mohammed Ali's hand, I think he was the Greatest Boxer of all times!

And just for the record, I never dated a Goat , it was just a joke!

Green, green so f'n green [Richos] - 10:49am Mar 9, 1999 EST (#48 of 2088)

sure, sure

btw I thought catholics were keen on the guy as well?

Her Royal Goddessness~~~ [_Liz_] - 05:11pm Mar 9, 1999 EST (#49 of 2088)

Hey babes : )

I'm still Liz.....

I live in So. Cal..

I'm a stay at home Mom who is trying to learn enough html to design her own web pages.

I'm engaged, getting married 7/24/99 to my love, Lyle. We've been living together for five years, and we have three kids
(mine from a previous marriage), aged 8-almost 12.

I used to be a party line dem, but got disgusted enough in the last few months to become an independent. I am a liberal, but
not so liberal that I don't believe in the death penalty.

We like to go to the beach on our days off, when we have time to spend together as a family...I read voraciously, tend a
balcony garden, and love to craft. I recently finished a granny square afghan 21 years in the making.

I most and least admire Bill Clinton as apolitician...as a politician, he is unequalled in his stamina, staying power and ability
to save his image. I think he has done great things for the country, and has been a good President. As a man, I think he
leaves alot to be desired. I think he has been immoral, unethical, and plain wrong. He has shown so many critical lapses of
judgement it is scary to think of him in charge of our nation. How's that for an answer? *g*

I don't believe in God. I believe in a higher power...a kind of ethernet that binds us to eachother on a higher level.

I believe we have a responsibility to ourselves, first...to make as much for and of ourselves as we can, because without that,
we have nothing to give our family and friends, nothing to offer. I think we have the responsibility to make the most of our
opportunities as we can, to live our lives as well as we can without hurting anyone else. I think we all have the major
responsibility to do our best to live our lives in a way that we hurt no one else and leave this world better than we found it.

I wanted to hug Monica when I was watching her with Walters...tell her not be so naive, to value herself more, to let it go
now and get on with it.

Ken Starr has got to go.



[twillard] - 05:38pm Mar 9, 1999 EST (#50 of 2088)

Liz,

AOL Press is a nice little HTML program that you can download for free. It lets you do all the HTML basics without having to learn the
coding. Nice and easy! I don't know the location offhand, but if you search for it you'll find it.

Congrats to you and Lyle!

Tim

[Bear Armstrong] - 05:58pm Mar 9, 1999 EST (#51 of 2088)

Bear Armstrong here. A man among men, and gun enthusiast/hunter extraordinaire. Liz thinks she knows it all. She's wrong
though, I know it all.

Politically I don't know what the hell I am (and that's about the only thing I don't know). Probably a small "l" libertarian. All the
pigeon holing political quizes I have taken thus far indicate this.

Bill Clinton - Impeach him again just for general purpose.

Ken Starr - The democans are just jealous because they don't have someone like KS investigating republicrats. That derned IC Act
just isn't working out the way the democans planned.

IC ACT - It will be a blessing to have bipartisan support to kill it. Billy and the democan congress that signed it back into law were
just too lazy to have the proper congressional oversight to conduct their own investigations.

Monica - An immature valley girl flake. Perfect for Billy to take advantage of.

Born and raised in the Finger Lakes Region of New York State, now a content Pennsylvania resident.

An avid conservationist, I am a forester by profession. I cut trees and make 'em grow again. Actually *I* don't cut trees, I just decide
which ones will be cut. I then keep a sharp, experienced, and educated eye on the loggers. Contrary to what Hobbb thinks, no
monocultures in my areas.

I'm also a former Marine. Corporal Bear Armstrong at your service, USMC 1984 to 1988.

Despite what some people here may think, I've been described by friends and family as being a kind and caring person, though not
always considerate. In my personal life I'm usually quiet and reflective. I hunt, fish, read, visit friends and family in NY, workout at
the local YMCA, debate politics on-line, and overall lead a rather quiet and uneventful life. But hey, it's a life. : )

So, after all this if you don't like me, in the immortal words of our President, "Blow me."

Her Royal Goddessness~~~ [_Liz_] - 06:42pm Mar 9, 1999 EST (#52 of 2088)

Thanks, Tim...I appreciate the thought, but I want to learn the coding. I need to find a way to make money and still be at home with
the kids.

Bear,

Liz thinks she knows it all. She's wrong though, I know it all. <

I knew you felt that way ; ) However, I knew that you would feel that way, but you did not know that I knew, so I am still the One Who
Knows It All.

Oh yeah...and I still believe in gun control *g,d and r*

[jackmac] - 07:16pm Mar 9, 1999 EST (#53 of 2088)

Where do you live? In live directly in the center of Texas in a small town of about 5000 people.

What do you do for a living? Own a successful auto paint and body repair facility.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married second time around with one child from the first now coaching and a ten and three
year old at home.

What's your political affiliation? Extremely conservative Independent.

What's your philosophy of politics? Politically, I believe our government has been ill served by professional-career politicians with
only their personal interest in mind.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Reading, coaching my kids sports teams, golfing some, guitar and other music
interests, and traveling.

Who do you admire most in politics? Phil Gramm

Who do you admire least? Toss up between Ted Kennedy and Waxman.

What's your religion? Southern Baptist

What's your philosophy of life? Be responsible and take charge of your own destiny.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? Jodie Foster as long as John Hinkley jr doesn't find out about it.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? Chet
Edwards, my gutless Democratic Congressman.

Anything else you'd like to add? Nope

[Bear Armstrong] - 07:45pm Mar 9, 1999 EST (#54 of 2088)

Liz,

Despite your silly thoughts on gun control, I'm going to help you out because, afterall, I am a nice guy.

Go here.

You see, I knew about this, and you didn't.

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 01:34pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#55 of 2088)

This might be a good time to add something to my original post on this thread.

I HAVE shaken hands with one US President, although he was not president at the time. It was Ronald Reagan.

I had just started working for the family-owned company. The company was also a brand-new member of Associated Industries of
Kentucky. My dad wanted me to attend the annual AIK meeting and find out more about some of their "benefits".

In case you don't know, General Electric has an enormous manufacturing facility in Louisville called "Appliance Park". At the time
(1956), GE sponsored one of the leading TV shows, General Electric Theater. Reagan was the host of the show. GE brought him to
Louisville to speak at the AIK Banquet and, I believe, also had him make some other appearances while he was there.

He was a wonderful speaker and I enjoyed his talk very much. In fact, I did something I almost never have done, before or since. I
went up afterward and shook his hand. I told him how much I enjoyed his talk and wished him well. He seemed pleased and also
wished me well.

It was several years after that, I forget exactly when, that he entered Politics and ran for Governor of California.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 01:56pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#56 of
2088)

As long as we're adding things that we forgot to our profile, I forgot to mention that I'm really keen on Renaissance-type faires.

There are several area Faires in the NE area that I attend annually, and I am always looking for new Faires.

Just a thought, don't know if anyone else is into that thing...

It's just that we have so many here who refer to themselves as "goddess" and such, I'm hoping that there are more Medieval fans among us... :)

I will choose free will. [cenorris] - 02:10pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#57 of 2088)

I always wanted to go to one but figured I'd look silly in tights. Probably has to do with many ill spent hours of D&D as a teen.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 02:21pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#58 of
2088)

cenorris:

I always wanted to go to one but figured I'd look silly in tights. Probably has to do with many ill spent hours of D&D as
a teen.

You don't necessarily have to wear tights. I have a long rough-hewn shirt that I wear with knee-length suede boots and black
Dockers that looks pretty good.

Believe me, I'm 6', 250 lbs. I'm about the last Guy you want to see in tights!

(Hell, all I need to do for tights is to wear size L sweats! :)

Susan [sjscruby] - 03:51pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#59 of 2088)

Bear...

Thanx for sharing that site---I used to have that before my crash. Glad to have it again (not that I will use it, but I keep thinking I
will *ggg*).

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 04:05pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#60 of 2088)

Are you a member of the SCA, Guy? I was never a member, but had a lot of friends that were.

And I do miss playing D&D from my days in high school.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 04:15pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#61 of
2088)

alix:

Are you a member of the SCA, Guy? I was never a member, but had a lot of friends that were.

I'm not a member of SCA (I plain don't have the time, unfortunately), but I have several close friends who are.

I'm frequently asked that question whenever I go to some of the smaller Faires (like Faires where I've got a better costume and
equipment than the people participating...)

And I do miss playing D&D from my days in high school.

Gawd, I do too...

What a coupla geeks we are, huh? :)

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 04:46pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#62 of 2088)

We must be getting old, my man...

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 05:08pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#63 of
2088)

We must be getting old, my man...

Hey, you're only as old as you feel...

And since my wife is 27, I guess I feel 27! (Ba-doom-boom!)

:)

Never got a lift out of Learjets [zioncanyon] - 05:08pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#64 of 2088)

I like these threads...

NY Gov't Employee Single Republican Gov't should help its citizens without babying them I play chess, enjoy swimming & tennis &
the Rolling Stones. I most admire in politics...Ronald Reagan. Least? Clinton Roman Catholic. A couple of lapses but I always return...
Life is a mystery so just enjoy figuring it out. Libby, Lara, RiteCon (wherever she's gone) & Fran. Apologies to those whom I've
inadvertantly omitted. I'm not slappy. I'd like to add a lot but it's time to go.

Susan [sjscruby] - 05:24pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#65 of 2088)

SE Illinois (small town---about 5500 people).
Currently job-hunting *sigh*.
Single, straight.
Basically Independent, but left-leaning (definitely left on social issues).
Hmmmm....Think for yourself.
Read, garden, walk, 'puter.
Don't really admire anyone in politics---I don't understand why anyone would be a politician.
Lapsed Presbyterian.
Think for yourself (which is NOT the same as think OF yourself, in case you were wondering).
;)

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 05:34pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#66 of 2088)

Dave

Texas? Mighty? Hell, if the Alamo had a back door, there wouldn't even be a Texas.

Do you know the difference between a Texan and a Kentucky farmer? The KY farmer has the bullsh** on the outside of his boots.

Susan [sjscruby] - 05:36pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#67 of 2088)

ROFL....

Great idea, Dave (about making us all immortal).

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 05:50pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#68 of 2088)

Two lions escaped from a circus in Texas. They bounded off in different directions.

Two weeks later, they ran into each other. One of the lions was fat and sassy, the other was skin and bones.

The skinny lion said, "How in the world do you get any nourishment from eating these Texans? It doesn't do a thing for me".

The fat lion said, "You must be doing it wrong. How do YOU eat a Texan?"

The skinny lion says, "I jump up on a rock and roar. Then, I pounce on him."

The fat lion says, "No, no, no. You can't do it that way. When you roar, you scare the sh*t out of him. When you pounce on him, you
knock out all the hot air. Without those two things, there's nothing left of a Texan except a pair of boots and a ten gallon hat!"

I'd love to stick around and continue, but Barbara is calling me to dinner. I'm well-trained and I gotta go.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 05:58pm Mar 10, 1999 EST (#69 of
2088)

uh, Dave...

Host Note: I've fixed this thread so it won't expire. You are now immortal. - Dave

WICKED COOL!

You the man, Dave!

(I don't care what anyone says about'cha!)

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 12:01pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#70 of
2088)

Dave:

Why, thanks, Guy. . . I think.

The praise was wholehearted Dave, the caveat was aimed at those who might malign you.

That sounds like part of my last job performance review.

D'OH! Well, I think you're doing a good job... (I know, I know, my impressions ain't gonna amount to a hill 'o' beans when it comes
down to diggin' into the ol' Time wallet come raise time...) :)

Anytime you want to turn over the reins, even for a short while, give a holler. I'd love to try my hand at keeping order here... >:)

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 12:20pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#71 of 2088)

oh my god

Rich [Mulvi] - 12:53pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#72 of 2088)

Rich and Mary Mulvihill we have been married for 25 years. Member of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 22 years
Republican 30 years, USN 4 years Radarman on USS Brownson DD868 1970 to 1974

GW.... [G. Washington] - 01:22pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#73 of 2088)

Guy: You'd make a good playground monitor here.

Maybe Dave'll give you a shot sometime.

"When Earth and sky are torn apart..." [hoeker] - 01:43pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#74 of 2088)

Well...

Guy seems about as far right as Dave is left. In my opinion, each is about a half a tick in opposite directions off dead plumb. Guy is
wise beyond his years, and Dave's tolerance runs deep. They'd be a great team.

I must say, however, that I'm not advocating the notion that Dave needs any help.

You're doin' fine, big guy!

[Snow Pea] - 02:02pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#75 of 2088)

I would agree that, if Dave ever needs a substitute, Guy's the one!

[waterspout] - 02:02pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#76 of 2088)

Hi, I am a restaurant manager in Portland, OR. Married, no kids, lots of animals. I'm an ex-Catholic, I'm sad to say I don't even call
myself "christian" anymore since the politicizing of the word. I am a manic reader of just about anything. In my spare time I keep
reef tanks and work in my shop, where I can build almost anything. Fishtanks included. I tend to lean democrat, mainly due to the
previous influence of my parents. I am never willing to back a bad arguement, and I have an extremely low setting on my B.S.
alarm. I don't have any personal interest in meeting or slapping any politicians. Though many of them RICHLY deserve it! My
philosophy on life: (lately) "The right decision is the best decision, the wrong decision is the second best decision, and the worst
decision is no decision at all". My philosophy on politics: (lately) "It is a blessing that I have again learned how to SEEM."

GW.... [G. Washington] - 02:14pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#77 of 2088)

waterspout: Nice to meet you.

If you're sad about not being a Christian any more, maybe you ought to get back on that (Christian) horse and ride.

There are a lot of Christian denominations, you know. There must be one that would suit you.

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 02:36pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#78 of 2088)

Actually, Dave

Along the way, some of my best friends (and best customers) have been Texans. At one time, we were selling more in the CITY of
Houston than we were in any of the other 49 STATES.

Shortly after the Oil Boom went BUST, I was talking on the phone to a good friend and long-time dealer in Houston. I asked him if
things were as bad there as the newspapers and TV said. He said, "I'll tell you how bad it is. There's a cathouse eight blocks from here
that employs five women. Three of 'em are still virgins". He also said that his bank was offering new customers the choice of a
toaster or an oil well. They kept running out of toasters.

Here's a story that's true, so help me. In the late 1950's, we were selling a lot of repair parts and maintenance items to the Texas
Highway Department. For each of our invoices, we would receive a check signed by the Texas State Treasurer, Jesse James. We would
all get a good laugh each time we received one of those checks.

"When Earth and sky are torn apart..." [hoeker] - 02:44pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#79 of 2088)

Where do you live?

Northwestern Lower Penninsula of Michigan, about 1/2 mile through the woods to Lake Michigan, 1 mile from Brook Trout fishing,
5 miles from excellent steelhead/walleye/pike/smallmouth bass fishing, wild turkeys and whitetails by the dozens.

What do you do for a living?

I work in an office doing a job that I don't really care for anymore, but I'm this close to retiring.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Married 20 years in April, the last four to the same woman (just kidding), not gay (not that there's anything wrong with it...no, of
course not...I've got a lot of gay friends...my father's gay), two sons (15 and 17).

What's your political affiliation?

I think anarchy would be OK, if we could be sure of having decent roads. Otherwise, I'm currently searching for a party. Something
fiscally moderate, socially aggressive, scientifically ambitious, and militarily/defensively sensible.

What's your philosophy of politics?

It's fun to watch, but sobering to realize that these clowns control our destiny.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Posting here is fun. Roller blading, golfing, fishing, hunting, watching sports (Let's go Red Wings!), traveling, cooking (especially
the grill in summer), being with good friends.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

This is the toughest one. Politics exposes a lot of warts, so it's really hard to truly admire any of them. Maybe someone like Michigan
congressman Pete Hoekstra. While I disagree with his politics much of the time, I believe he's honest. That's what I admire. The list
of the other would take up too much hard drive space.

What's your religion?

Ummm, the opposite of whatever the hell Biker Thug is.

What's your philosophy of life?

I'm having fun and I'm not hurting you, so get outta my face.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

I'd like to have lunch with Steven Wright, Robin Williams, and Dave Letterman.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

I'd like to give Bill Clinton a noogie.

Anything else you'd like to add?

Jeff Beck rules!

[Snow Pea] - 02:59pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#80 of 2088)

Good job, Hoeker! It's you to a T.

Libby [mbette] - 03:12pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#81 of 2088)

I enjoy reading these threads, GW. Thanks for doing it again. (BTW, I think smartalix and guy are twins..they are soooo cute together
- lol). Here goes:

Where do you live? California

What do you do for a living? Work on a state university campus - work control coordinator for maintenance and special events.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married 27 years - three children - two girls & a boy - mostly all grown; youngest is 16.

What's your political affiliation? Democrat - left leaning moderate (that's what I'm calling myself anyway - sometimes not so
moderate - depends on the issue)

What's your philosophy of politics? Take it all with a grain of salt..and sometimes a heavy dose of valium (I'm kidding about
the valium, but not the grain of salt :-)

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? I play here a lot. Spend time with my family, do a little cross-stitch, walk,
read, listen to music, play with our two cats...

Who do you admire most in politics? Not many to admire these days, but I will say I admire many women active, both now and
in the past, who have made a difference for women.

Who do you admire least? right-wing zealots like Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanon

What's your religion? none

What's your philosophy of life? Live it to the fullest; it's short, and love is the most important thing.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be? One person? There are so many. I'd like to hug everyone here at Pathfinder (almost everyone
*g*).

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be? That would have to be Clinton and Starr, simultaneously.

Anything else you'd like to add? Not right now.

[birdzeye2] - 03:17pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#82 of 2088)

What's your religion?

Ummm, the opposite of whatever the hell Biker Thug is.

Oh, hoeker, you crack me up! :-)

ROFLMAO!

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 03:38pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#83 of 2088)

Good post Hoeker, I liked your political philosophy.

Guy and I? Cute? ooooh, cooties!

[krssllj] - 03:50pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#84 of 2088)

Where do you live?

Dallas Texas....Actually a misplaced boy from the Bronx

What do you do for a living?

programmer

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

yes,no,no,no

What's your political affiliation?

Moderate democrat

What's your philosophy of politics?

social liberal, fiscal moderate, defense conservative

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

what's fun

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

Most: Bill Richardson least: Ken Starr

What's your religion?

Jewish

What's your philosophy of life?

Do the right thing as often as I can

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

Steven Spielberg

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Ken Starr, Bob Barr, Janet Reno...the list goes on and on

Anything else you'd like to add?

Just remember, in the end, everything you have gets recycled.

I can't think of a damn thing to write [FAUFORDE] - 04:05pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#85 of 2088)

smartalix & guy -

And I do miss playing D&D from my days in high school.

Room for another geek?

I used to play, too, but probably way before you two young'ns.

[waterspout] - 04:20pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#86 of 2088)

FAUFORDE, Does that mean that you still have your old copies of Men & Magic, Monsters & Treasure, and Underworld & Wilderness
Adventures?

I can't think of a damn thing to write [FAUFORDE] - 04:52pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#87 of 2088)

I have one of the original DM Guidebooks, and Player's Handbooks, and one of the starter modules from mid
1970s...somewhere...covered in dust......

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 05:02pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#88 of 2088)

Wow, I used to have the original 3 books, but I haven't seen them in a looong time.

I went to the hard-cover books as soon as they were available. I gave all that stuff to my nephew, exept for one 20-sided die I keep
for memory's sake.

The trouble is, all of the role-playing games have changed so much, I don't think anybody does D&D or AD&D any more.

Am I wrong (please?)

I will choose free will. [cenorris] - 05:09pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#89 of 2088)

I played again one time about two years ago. Even when I played heavily we of course changed the game. We threw out the AD&D
combat system and used one called claw law or some such thing. There are of course computer games that borrow heavily from
AD&D. A buddy of mine just picked up a new one that seems to use AD&D rules pretty exclusively including the encumberance rules.
Found out because at one point he couldn't move his character.

I can't think of a damn thing to write [FAUFORDE] - 07:02pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#90 of 2088)

There was alot we changed and threw out. I found that trying to get all the details of the volumes of rules, matrixes, scales, ect right,
during play BORED everyone. So we made up our own and stuck to it. It was fun, we'd play for hours and hours.

Liberty is a precious, but fragile, blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which spring from good
intentions [Bill Munz] - 07:34pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#91 of 2088)

Where do you live? Venezuela

What do you do for a living? Process Control Consultant

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Newlywed, Two grown kids

What's your political affiliation? Gee I don't know.... Libertarian maybe??

What's your philosophy of politics? Minimum government at the most local level possible.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Sailing, Scuba, Sculpture, Philosophy

Who do you admire most in politics? Thomas Jefferson

Who do you admire least? Abraham Lincoln

What's your religion? Church of Christ

What's your philosophy of life? My life is mine to live as I see fit and yours is yours. Leave mine in peace as I leave yours.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who
would it be? Mother Theresa

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? I have no need of physical violence, my words serve me well enough.

Anything else you'd like to add? Liberty is a precious, but fragile blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which
spring from good intentions. Bill Munz 1997


Next woman I marry gonna work and bring ME the dough [laklak] - 08:34pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#92 of 2088)

Good thread, GW. It's hard to stay mad at someone when you learn a bit about them.

Where do you live?

Currently just outside Syracusae NY. Raised all over the place, spent quite a few years overseas, but heart's home is split between
Florida and Capetown.

What do you do for a living?

Independent computer geek consultant. Currently managing a Y2K gig in Souix City, Iowa, which is not as bad a place as I thought it
would be.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Recently divorced, after a Loooooonng seperation. I have a special lady in Capetown, but we don't see each other too often. Joint
custody of 2 girls, aged 9 and 18, they're living with me at the moment. The 18 year old just graduated marine boot camp and is in the
4th Reserve division, she'll be starting at SUNY Brockport this summer (or maybe this fall, who knows?). The 9 year old has ADD, but
is the sweetest little kid around, she's my baby.

What's your political affiliation?

Card carrying, dues paying Libertarian.

What's your philosophy of politics?

Don't Tread on Me.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Been playing blues guitar for about 30 years, I used to play professionally but didn't make enough money to support a non-working
wife and kid. I jam occasionally, but I'm looking for an old geezer band to play weekends. I cook a lot. Love restoring old morotcycles
and cars. Spend a lot of time with the kids and my family.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

I despise them all equally. At best it's a choice of the lesser of evils.

What's your religion?

Don't have one. Sorta interested in Wicca after seeing some of the stuff posted here, but I'm pretty much a Darwinist.

What's your philosophy of life?

Take care of your own. Lend a hand when you can. Above all don't look back, something may be gaining on you.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

Eric Clapton. I wanna feel the grip strength of a man who can bend a string 2 and a half notes without breaking out the bandaids.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Nobody. Now, if I could NUKE a few ....

Anything else you'd like to add?

I wish I could quit smoking, and I find women FAR too attractive for my own good.

[Freedspeak] - 09:01pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#93 of 2088)

O.K., you asked for it! ;>)

Where do you live? : I live on the west coast of Florida

What do you do for a living? Self-employed, Jack-of-all-trades master of one, I’m a master Jack-of-all-trades.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?: I am male, 48 years old , single, never married (still looking for the right one), and straight
(have to put that last part in around here, "G"). No children that I know of, or at least none anyone tried to pin in me.

What's your political affiliation?: Libertarian, card carrying.

What's your philosophy of politics?: Less government intrusion, more personal accountability/responsibility, and get back to the
Constitutional basics. Beyond that live and let live.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?: Opened a can of worms with this one. (Where to start?) Camping , hiking, fishing,
hunting, target shooting, reloading, scuba, motorcycle riding, black powder rendezvous, horseback riding, Renaissance Faires,
lapidary, blacksmithing & whitesmithing, leatherworking & tooling, reading, homebrewing beer & wine, cooking, drying &
preserving (meats, fruits, and veggies). Guess that’s enough for starters

Who do you admire most in politics?: Currently no one special.

Who do you admire least? Clinton, Feinsteine, & Schumer.

What's your religion?: Wiccan

What's your philosophy of life?: An it harm none, do what you will. Wiccan Rede.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?: From Pathfinder, probably Bill Munz, for doing his best to keep the rest of us Libertarians reminded of what our goals are, and
providing good answers to questions.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? : My
beliefs only allow me to harm another in self-defense, however there are many who I would like to chastise severely.

Anything else you'd like to add?

Cuzin PollyGin-agin [goodygal] - 11:32pm Mar 11, 1999 EST (#94 of 2088)

Where do you live? Just north of Houston, TX. Drove in from the panhandle today and found it to be green and lush with
wildflowers everyplace.

What do you do for a living? Uh....nothing right now. I'm afixin' to, I suspect. Pap's out of work unexpectedly. Reality has
knocked on the door.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married 35 years. Gay? No, but I'm Cheerful! Children? Two adult kids.

What's your political affiliation? Indpendent. Curently a "Searcher"...looking for somebody trustworthy and moderate.

What's your philosophy of politics? Politix stinx

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Let me try to remember.... <;)I draw cartoons. I surf the net. I swim (or
used to); I visit with family and friends. Currently am refinishing furniture after our son, JL, does all the hard work. He sands and
paints...I decorate. As for interests, I am interested in issues involving the elderly and mental health.

Who do you admire most in politics? On a personal level, Jimmy Carter. On a political level, it would have to be Reagan.

Who do you admire least? You're kidding, right? Beginning alphabetically, let's start with "B" for Bill, then just keep going.
Don't leave many letters out.

What's your religion? Darned if I know. I'm beginning to get irritated by the whole question. I know there's something out
there that's responsible for us being here (if we really are)...but I think religion in general is little more than superstition...I DO
known that this confusion is leaving a void in the deepest part of my being (if I am.) :)

What's your philosophy of life? I'm trying to develop one. I want to be intuitive without being judgmental. I want to be
generous without being stupid about it. I want to be responsible for a bit of happiness for someone every single day. I want to
experience clear vision without being blinded by my own desire to see what I want to.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be? Politics -- ???; entertainment---Bill Cosby; sports---John Elway or Dan Reeves, on separate days;
Pathfinder---almost everybody (almost).

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be? Anything else you'd like to add? Politics---line 'em up; entertainment---Madonna; sports---??? Pathfinder--I'd
rather not say.

Student Of It All [ElPrimo] - 12:40am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#95 of 2088)

Bill Munz...."Church of Christ"

What a hoot...Did you know OJ and I were forced to spent a lot of time listening to those folks? Sunday morning, Sunday evening and
Wednesday evening. God, I hated it!.

plain bill [hoffmann] - 02:04am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#96 of 2088)

Libby, thanks for posting that. I think we are a couple of the old timers here, but I don't recall reading your bio before.

Most of it is to be expected, but it is nice to read.

Thank you also for always having been a good debater and a fun opponent. Been several years now, and we have found no reason to
ad-hom each other yet.

plain bill

Clown to left of me, jokers to the right. . . here I am, stuck in the middle with you!!!!! [Psyche44] - 02:05am Mar 12,
1999 EST (#97 of 2088)

I was born and raised in the Midwest (Nebraska and South Dakota). I joined the Air Force and saw alot of the world in 9 years. Got out
to keep the family together. (He got an assignment, I didn't) Moved to New York 5 years ago to pick up the pieces from my messy
divorce. Currently live near a small town in Arkansas.

I am a substitute teacher in the school system here. Mostly jr/sr high (one group here because they are so small) Did one day of 2nd
grade. . . never again. Idi Amin turned down these kids for being too terroristic. My specialty is English, Biology, and Math.

I am remarried to my internet sweetheart, just last May. Together we have 3 children, all boys my 2 live in New York. His is still at
home. (mine are in their 20's). I have 3 grandchildren about to have number 4&5 any minute now (twins).

Political affiliation? I don't have a clue anymore. I spent so much time defending Clinton from everything from Whitewater to the
Lindburgh kidnapping, that I am hating the whole system. . . registered Dem, but that will change shortly.

Philosophy on politics? the word "poly" comes fromt the Greek meaning many and tics comes from the American vernacular
meaning blood sucking insects (tho I don't want to insult insects). Therefore you have my philosophy on politics.

I crochet, surf the net, (here and there). I am currently working on a pro gun paper hopefully I can submit it for money. I walk,
tend to the garden, and lawns.

The two people I admire the most are Sammy Sosa and the guy who holds the homerun record now (I forgot his name!!!). They both
displayed something that is lacking in todays sports . . . sportsmanship.

The people I admire the least. . . all of the elected officials in Washington, DC and their political appointees. . . This has to be the
worst bunch of hucksters there ever was!!!!

I was raised a Roman Catholic, tho I left the church years ago because of their stance on women. I still believe in God/Jesus/10
Commandments. . . I read about other religions too. Quite interesting.

My philosophy of life? To love and care for my husband, and be the best for him. . . btw he feels the same way about me too.

I would like to shake the hands of Dave, for listening to all the griping. . . and wardaddy who hopefully getting used to his new lory.

Not much else to say. Nite nite, folks.

plain bill [hoffmann] - 02:15am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#98 of 2088)

laklak and Freedspeak, I am addressing this to both of you because what I have to say is mostly the same. Thanks for sharing. A good
part of what you said is to be expected, but the more individual parts are fun.

Wish you both had been here when Galit was posting; she was GOOD! (not to say that others are not)

Freedspeak, I fully agree with you regarding Bill Munz; he has nudged me back more that once when I tended to stray.

I would like to shake the hands of both of you and a bunch of other Libs here.

In memory of Galit; IN LIBERTY

plain bill

Libby [mbette] - 04:38am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#99 of 2088)

Hi Plain Bill,

Yep, you and I have been hanging out here for along time. Thank you for the kind words...and I feel exactly the same about
you...I've always enjoyed talking with you, and at times we've even found ourselves on the same side of an issue. You've come to my
defense on a few occasions, even when I've climbed way out on a limb...and I appreciated it! ;-)

BTW, I've seen you and Bill Munz talk about Galit before. I never had the pleasure of meeting her, but wish I had. Guess she was here
just slightly before my time.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 09:29am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#100 of
2088)

alix:

oh my god

:P

You don't think I'd do a good job? You think I'd go mad with power, like that Albert Schwietzer guy? (Simpsons quote...)

:)

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys [guy montag] - 09:31am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#101 of
2088)

GW, hoeker, Snow Pea:

Thanks!

(Not that I'm advocating replacing Dave or anything like that, mind you. Just that if Dave ever wanted to take a rest, or vacation, or
something like that...)

And I have been sharpening the ol' bat'leth... heheheh >:)

Liberty is a precious, but fragile, blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which spring from good
intentions [Bill Munz] - 11:04am Mar 12, 1999 EST (#102 of 2088)

Awww Shucks...I'm blushimg!...Thanks freedspeak and Bill, but trust me, it is a two way street... you both have taught me a lot.

El Primo, I changed to Church of Christ here from Presbyterian. This was due to the differences here and the Church of Christ being
more spiritual. I am sorry to hear that you find the activities of the U.S. church to be a bother...But I also sincerely pray you find our
Lord

Susan [sjscruby] - 06:15pm Mar 12, 1999 EST (#103 of 2088)

GW...

Great Thread. It's nice to learn a bit about some of the people who post here. ;)

Libby [mbette] - 06:50pm Mar 12, 1999 EST (#104 of 2088)

Psyche, I enjoyed your bio...you and I have a couple things in common, I think.

registered Dem, but that will change shortly.

I've threatened the same thing many times and I still think about going Independent at times. Problem is, I would probably still be
voting mostly Democrat, because I can't stomach most of the Republicans or their stand on social issues. I would consider
Independent candidates more often, if I didn't think my vote would just lend power to the wrong party. So I remain with the
Democrats and hope for the best.

You also said you left the Catholic Church because of their stance on women. Ditto for myself...actually I left all of organized religion
partly for that reason...

Glad to hear you and your new hubby are making a wonderful life together. Like I said, love is the most important thing. :-)

[Once Again] - 11:43am Mar 13, 1999 EST (#105 of 2088)

Psyche44:

Philosophy on politics? the word "poly" comes fromt the Greek meaning many and tics comes from the American
vernacular meaning blood sucking insects (tho I don't want to insult insects).

LOLOLOL! I'll borrow that from time to time, with proper attribution, of course.

DaveGIN:

Host Note: I've fixed this thread so it won't expire. You are now immortal. - Dave

Knew you had stroke Dave, but this is unbelievable! Thanks, Big Guy (I think).

[JimCot] - 11:51am Mar 13, 1999 EST (#106 of 2088)

Where do you live?

I have lived in Safety Harbor, Florida for the past 15 years. Before that, I spent 21 years in the US Army living in 16 different places.

What do you do for a living?

I am a Program Manager for a large controls company. We design and build inertial navigation systems for aircraft, missiles, space
craft, and land vehicles.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Married (for the second time), Three children with each wife. Five boys and one girl. Three boys are out on their own, two boys and
the girl still at home. Four grandsons.

What's your political affiliation?

Registered Republican (must be to vote in Pinellas County Florida). Would probably be a Republican anyway.

What's your philosophy of politics?

Lean mostly to the Libertarian train of thought, but with a tinge of liberalism in the care of those people who truly need help.
Fiscally conservative. Mostly, I believe that the government should stay out of peoples lives and their personal decisions.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Enjoy sports (now to watch, when young and healthy to participate). Occasionally play on these boards. Interested in politics, 50's
baseball cards, golf, and mostly my children and grandchildren.

Who do you admire most in politics?

Hard to find much to admire in any politician. If forced to select, I would name Bob Kerry and John McCain.

Who do you admire least?

Mr. Clinton.

What's your religion?

Methodist of the old type, don't care much for the new "Unified methodists"

What's your philosophy of life?

Take care of your responsibilities, let others do the same.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

Politics - None Entertainment - Many Sports - Cal Ripken Jr. Pathfinder - All

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Politics - Mr. Clinton Entertainment - Some Sports - Some Pathfinder - None

Anything else you'd like to add?

Thank you GW for this opportunity.

[jcastro] - 01:19pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#107 of 2088)

Where do you live? NJ What do you do for a living? reporter, editor Married? Single? Gay? Have children? very blessedly married,
can't believe my luck, no children What's your political affiliation? astonished What's your philosophy of politics? Fix the roads,
help the poor, support research and education, protect the environment and leave folks alone What do you do for fun? Drink coffee
and talk to my wonderful husband, fish, read books, talk to friends, walk, run outside in the morning and smell that air, talk to kids
What are your interests? what a world. Where do I start? Who do you admire most in politics? Daniel Patrick Moynihan at the
moment; we're going through separation anxiety here Who do you admire least? Right now, the only president we've got What's
your religion? Raised Catholic, stopped being Catholic in grammar school when I started to get wind of this really weird view of
women and anyone who was different What's your philosophy of life? Road trip! If you could shake the hand or hug one person,
from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? Any number of women who have taken the
hits and made a difference for all of us, Stevie Wonder, Laurie Lewis, a lot of you If you could punch or slap one person, from the
world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? Nah, waste of time Anything else you'd like to add?
Love this thread, thank you GW!

[Freedspeak] - 05:51pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#108 of 2088)

Alix & guy;

Another D&D player here. Still into RPG though we don't play the old D&D often. Usually something from Palladium or Whitewolf.

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 07:07pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#109 of 2088)

Shows you how out of touch I am that I never heard of those games.

But keep on playing. Imagination is the best special effect!

Hey, Pal! Do I look like a FREEKIN' people person to you? [Duh...] - 07:30pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#110 of 2088)

Dungeons & Dragons - Role Playing Games.

Herb [knitknee] - 07:40pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#111 of 2088)

I think I forgot to mention my religion.

It's the only one I know of where it's okay to spit, drink beer, and scratch my balls in church.

Please open your hymnals to Page I and feel free to sing along.

Take me out to the ball game

Take me out to the crowd

Buy me some peanuts and crackerjacks

I don't care if we never come back ....

Libby [mbette] - 07:40pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#112 of 2088)

My son (now 21) used to play D & D for hours - especially on summer vacations. He still has a pewter collection of all the characters.

Libby [mbette] - 07:41pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#113 of 2088)

Knitknee - LOL!

[Elpiper] - 08:10pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#114 of 2088)

Where do you live?

Boring, Oregun (That's how it's pronounced by us locals, NOT a comment on local 2nd amendment politics)

What do you do for a living?

I'm a mid-level manager in a fortune 500 company. I basically make sure we make money, kiss the clients' ass, and keep my fellow
GenX weasels in line.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Married nine years. Three kids- two girls and a boy. Oldest is five years old. (It's been a busy nine years)

What's your political affiliation?

Reformed republican (democrat)

What's your philosophy of politics?

I don't believe philosophy and politics mix well. I'd agree with Jim Hightower that America doesn't need a third political party... it
needs a second. That and "participate or shut the hell up!"

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Playing with the kids. Playing with the wife. Playing with the dog. Playing. Oh, and fishing, camping and I've recently thrown
myself at the mercy of the Great Highland Bagpipe (thus the nick)

Who do you admire most in politics?

Any of our local tradition of maverick senators- Wayne Morse, Bob Packwood, Mark Hatfield, Ron Wyden.

Who do you admire least?

Our own Gordon Smith, for his recent partisan toadying DESPITE his campaign promises of moderation.

What's your religion?

Catholic. The rest of the church is estranged from me.

What's your philosophy of life?

Have fun. No matter where you go, there you are. Objectivity may not get you where you want to go, but it'll get you where you
should be.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be?

Adam West. I love the Batman TV show.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be?

Sylvester Stallone, for "Stop or My Mom will Shoot."

[sharks1961] - 09:22pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#115 of 2088)

Visiting my web page will answer all the questions at hand. To go click here

~~~sharks1961

Hey, Pal! Do I look like a FREEKIN' people person to you? [Duh...] - 09:30pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#116 of 2088)

Sharks, you gots the same tune playing on your page that I do on mine.

I can't get over you until you get out from under him! [CooterBrown] - 09:41pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#117 of 2088)

Where do you live? Oxford, MS.

What do you do for a living? Director of the Paralegal Studies program at a community college, and practice law part time.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Divorced, boy 21 and girl 23.

What's your political affiliation? Independent.

What's your philosophy of politics? I'm somewhat conservative on political issues, and somewhat liberal on social issues.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Read, cook, fish, play guitars, listen to music, and think about women.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? No one. Hmmm....so many candidates. Oh, Ted Kennedy.

What's your religion? Methodist.

What's your philosophy of life? I try to treat everyone else the way that I would like for them to treat me.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? Stan Musial.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?
Gawd...only one?

Anything else you'd like to add? Yes. GO SEC!!

[4liberty] - 10:37pm Mar 13, 1999 EST (#118 of 2088)

Hey Cooter! It's Dagny... remember me? It's good to "see" you again.

Where do you live? North Carolina

What do you do for a living? Presently in the marketing field; former legal person and may be again.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Not married, not single, not gay; my children are now grown.

What's your political affiliation? Libertarian

What's your philosophy of politics? Libertarian, of course.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Spending time with my new love in all the interests we share.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Well, that would be a very short list, and then a very long list!

What's your religion? Christian

What's your philosophy of life? Learn as much as I can; do as much as I can, and always respect the rights of another as I respect
my own rights.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? Hmmm... I honestly don't know.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? In a
defensive or retalitory measure, most congresscritters on any given day.

Anything else you'd like to add? Thank you for removing Mr. Heath. (smile)

[surferchicklet] - 01:05am Mar 14, 1999 EST (#119 of 2088)

live in NC

"for a living" teach at a "correctional facility" formerly known as a prison to help inmates recieve GEDs and gain basic life skills. "to
live" paint and work in ceramics (pottery, not those little angel figures)

single, straight, one child (8yo),one horse, 2 dogs, a cat, 2 birds, a turtle, a hamster (and whatever follows us home tomorrow)

independent but registered Demo so I screw up the primaries if needed...

for fun... horseback riding, spending time w/ my babe, read mysteries, horror, anything except romance, working on my Craft,
writing ...

...trying to think of a politician to admire... admire least ... have to be Bill right now.

religion ... Wiccan, for the most part

philosophy of life... improve yourself to the best of your ability and be as kind as possible to other people. Never try to teach a pig to
sing... it wastes your time and annoys the pig. (Hamm, are pig references ok?)

shake hands with (also not a hugger) Tom Waites ... for his wonderful tunes and his "calling them like he sees them..."

slap? not a slapper, but wouldn't mind flipping off Jerry Springer for having so many guests w/ southern accents... unless it would
increase his ratings...

I believe you receive what you put out in triple ... I sometimes do not have a very good opinion of my fellow man ... usually after
spending 8 hours with the guys I teach ... some get it, some never will...

still trying to think of a politician I admire...

[riftaxe] - 01:23am Mar 14, 1999 EST (#120 of 2088)

Where do you live? South Sutton, New Hampshire

What do you do for a living? Software Engineer

Married? Single? Gay? Single/straight

What's your political affiliation? None, I always vote split ticket.

What's your philosophy of politics? Personal responsiblility trumps government protection

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Games/shooting/stained glass, etc...

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Most Henry Kissinger, Least Bill Clinton

What's your religion? Non-practicin' Baptist

What's your philosophy of life? Keep your filthy hands out of my pockets!

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? Winston Churchill

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? Bill
Clinton

Anything else you'd like to add? Yeah, but unfortunatly, i am a limited 2 under a MB for posting on pathfinder...

I can't get over you until you get out from under him! [CooterBrown] - 07:04am Mar 14, 1999 EST (#121 of 2088)

Hey Dagny! LTNS! Welcome back to the fray....lol!

[4liberty] - 08:08am Mar 14, 1999 EST (#122 of 2088)

Bill Munz 3/11/99 7:34pm

Hello TJ! I have been wondering how you have been doing, and now I know. Congratulations on your new marriage! That's
wonderful.

Psyche44 3/12/99 2:05am

There is something positive to be said about meeting someone on the Internet, isn't there? Congratulations and I hope you remain as
happy as you are now.

surferchicklet 3/14/99 1:05am

Hello neighbor. Too many southerners may be on Springer's show, but then how many of them are Carolinians? You have an
interesting life.

Cooter

Thanks! I am really pleased to not only find another apparently good board (after WP went down), but one where you and TJ post
also. I let my ex keep the pc (to prove a point) and now after having moved and resettled, I have replaced everything I lost in the
divorce, and then some. (smile) Life is good!

-Dagny-

plain bill [hoffmann] - 09:33pm Mar 14, 1999 EST (#123 of 2088)

Well, Cooter, looks like we are down to three now. Let us hope that one of us can GO ALL THE WAAAY!! *G*

Dagny, I think I remember you from a brief sojourn at TPS, which is going downhill in a hurry. Nice to meet you again.

plain bill

Keepin the Kooks Kookified [darnoc] - 09:50pm Mar 14, 1999 EST (#124 of 2088)

Is somebody unaccounted for?

Maybe Dean.

Think the leftists will tone down some of their heated rhetoric now?

Right!

Libby [mbette] - 09:54pm Mar 14, 1999 EST (#125 of 2088)

Conrad, do your bio! I don't think you ever have. I don't even know what state you live in. Pleeeaassse! :-)

Keepin the Kooks Kookified [darnoc] - 10:31pm Mar 14, 1999 EST (#126 of 2088)

OK Libby.

Florida, the SE part.

First 22 years from LI NY last 22 here.

Raising our 5-year old is my current occupation. For many years active adult real estate was my field.

Was independant for years and switched to GOP for '96 election. The GOP holds much less appeal these days.

My philosophy of politics probably is an attempt at defining the best environment for we mere mortals to maintain the most
freedom possible for ourselves given the constraints of human nature.

Our system is so corrupted right now I don't concentrate so much on who to admire. Just about any of us would come up way short
IMO if we managed to aquire a meaningful political position.

Born and raised Catholic with a 2 year stint as a Jahovah's Witness. My father let me stop participating when I turned 14. Been
looking at the subject for myself since my 20s.

Life is good.

Nolan Ryan.

Mike Tyson.

Can't tell you how much I appreciate the lessons learned here at Pathfinder.

I can't get over you until you get out from under him! [CooterBrown] - 10:50pm Mar 14, 1999 EST (#127 of 2088)

Dagny, I am overjoyed that you are happy, hon, but disappointed that I didn't get a shot. *G*

Hey Bill....we gave them hell, but MSU is pretty good! This is a really great tournament!

Libby [mbette] - 10:58pm Mar 14, 1999 EST (#128 of 2088)

Conrad, thank you!

You're a stay at home dad? I am extremely impressed - that's the toughest job on this planet. I did it for 16 years (as a mom, of course
*g*). Very interesting - thanks for sharing. :-)

[4liberty] - 07:34am Mar 15, 1999 EST (#129 of 2088)

Plain Bill

Greetings! It's nice to meet you again, too. Am looking forward to reading your posts and getting to know you better. I do remember
you from my short participation at the other site. To this day, I can't remember the name of that site and long ago lost my
bookmarks. Oh well...

Cooter

Ahhh... that was sweet. Thank you. *s*

Off to work!

-Dagny-

[surferchicklet] - 11:52pm Mar 15, 1999 EST (#130 of 2088)

4liberty ...

thanks, I enjoy my life...

[surferchicklet] - 12:28am Mar 16, 1999 EST (#131 of 2088)

oh yeah, and at least maybe Carolinians have some limits on what they'll do on national tv for money, eh?

Liberty is a precious, but fragile, blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which spring from good
intentions [Bill Munz] - 04:31pm Mar 16, 1999 EST (#132 of 2088)

Dagny!!!

Welcome to where I started! Glad to have you here. The format is not as good as the other site, but the content is better. That other site
took a nose dive after the ATTACK OF THE KILLER MARSHMALLOWS and has never recovered!

Susan [sjscruby] - 05:35pm Mar 16, 1999 EST (#133 of 2088)

Bill

HUSH!!!

Signed, A marshmallow *gg*

Liberty is a precious, but fragile, blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which spring from good
intentions [Bill Munz] - 06:45pm Mar 16, 1999 EST (#134 of 2088)

Yeah Susan, a marshmallow, but not a dreaded KILLER MARSHMALLOW!

He was born......in Oklahoma. His wife's name.....was Betty Lou Thelma Liz. [CooterBrown] - 06:48pm Mar 16, 1999 EST
(#135 of 2088)

Toasted marshmallows are pretty good. *G*

Bill, I'm growing tired of TPS myself, but maybe for some different reasons.

Liberty is a precious, but fragile, blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which spring from good
intentions [Bill Munz] - 07:04pm Mar 16, 1999 EST (#136 of 2088)

I don't know Coot. The Ask A Libertarian thread has picked up nicely. Of course it always does when we get a spinning socialist in
the house.

Susan [sjscruby] - 07:19pm Mar 16, 1999 EST (#137 of 2088)

hmmmmmmm

...trying to decide if I really want to be toasted or not. *gggg*

Liberty is a precious, but fragile, blossom. It is all too easily choked by the weeds which spring from good
intentions [Bill Munz] - 07:23pm Mar 16, 1999 EST (#138 of 2088)

"To toast or not to toast" That is the question.

[4liberty] - 09:10pm Mar 17, 1999 EST (#139 of 2088)

Bill Munz

Greetings!! And thank you for the welcome.

What is the address for the other site? I long ago lost the bookmark and I am intrigued by the....KILLER MARSHMALLOWS

By the way, just what is that?

If you're talking toasted marshmallows, why not do it right and make s'mores?

He was born......in Oklahoma. His wife's name.....was Betty Lou Thelma Liz. [CooterBrown] - 09:23pm Mar 17, 1999 EST
(#140 of 2088)

Go here, dagny.

[4liberty] - 09:27pm Mar 17, 1999 EST (#141 of 2088)

Thanks Cooter!

I have it bookmarked now. Heaven help me to remember my sign-in and password. HA!

-Dagny-

Student Of It All [ElPrimo] - 10:05pm Mar 17, 1999 EST (#142 of 2088)

"El Primo, I changed to Church of Christ here from Presbyterian. This was due to the differences here and the Church of Christ
being more spiritual. I am sorry to hear that you find the activities of the U.S. church to be a bother... But I also sincerely pray
you find our Lord"

Bill, I just though you would find it amusing that both Oregon jim and myself were raised in the Church of Christ. I believe that
upbringing actually led me to being more liberal. Something about forgiveness, turning the other cheek, sharing with the poor,
loving your neighbor ....that type of thing. How do you reconcile support of the death penalty, persecution of gays, ignoring the
suffering of others and focusing on punishment as opposed to deterence with the teachings of our Lord?

Why right now, Republicans are holding up aid for the thousands who were devistated by Hurricane Mitch. Most of these negative
actions are supported by members of the Church of Christ. I believe they are hypocrites to the teachings of Christ.

I believe I am closer to finding 'the Lord' than all those hate filled conservatives will ever be.

My apologies to the other posters for digressing from the non-partisan 'biographies'.

Advocatus sed non latro, res miranda populo [DanielFox] - 12:32am Mar 19, 1999 EST (#143 of 2088)

I live in Ohio. I'm a staff attorney for a court. Age: 36-going-on-37.

I am married to the lovely Carolyn. Our seventh anniversary is next week.

What do I do for fun? Read, mostly. Favorite authors: Austen; Shakespeare; Donne; Twain; Dickens; Orwell; Tom (not Thomas) Wolfe;
C.S. Lewis; Chesterton; Wm. F. Buckley, Jr.; Patrick O'Brian; C.S. Forester; Bruce Catton; John Biggins; P.J. O'Rourke; Dave Barry; Joe
Queenan; George V. Higgins; Joseph Wambaugh; George MacDonald Fraser; Tom Clancy; Stephen King; Donald E. Westlake; Paul
Johnson; Michael Barone; Bernard Cornwell; Celia Fremlin.

I also like to poke around used-book stores. (Surprise, surprise.) I have been known on occasion to take the lovely Carolyn to dinner
and a movie, as well.

I have been a Republican since becoming old enough to vote. I vote that way, mostly, but seldom a totally straight ticket. [Insert
joke here.]

Philosophy of politics: Conservative. I believe in free markets, equal justice under law, and the right to life.

Philosophy of life: "O, while you live, tell truth and shame the Devil!"

Most admired pol: Henry Hyde (and I'd have said the same before the recent unpleasantness). I also admire Antonin Scalia and
Clarence Thomas, precisely because they are not politicians, despite the overwhelming temptations that judges often have to
behave like politicians. (Thomas also for his tremendous moral courage.)

Least admired: Oddly enough, not Clinton. I guess I'd have to say Moynihan, Byrd, and Lieberman, because they did what they did
even though they knew better.

Student Of It All [ElPrimo] - 12:53am Mar 19, 1999 EST (#144 of 2088)

"I have been a Republican since becoming old enough to vote. I vote that way, mostly, but seldom a totally straight ticket. [Insert
joke here.] "

insert... "what's harder to swallow than Clinton carrying the Bible?...Daniel Fox claiming to be open minded."

Never got a lift out of Learjets [zioncanyon] - 02:53am Mar 19, 1999 EST (#145 of 2088)

Daniel Fox is OK in my book! Although I'm not sure what "mostly but seldom" means...

Emperor of the Ruddy Dodoheads [hoeker] - 09:19am Mar 19, 1999 EST (#146 of 2088)

ZC...

Put the comma in there and it makes perfect sense...the sentence, not the philosophy.

Advocatus sed non latro, res miranda populo [DanielFox] - 11:23pm Mar 20, 1999 EST (#147 of 2088)

ZC -- Thanks!

Hoeker -- Thanks for the clarification. I should have said: "I mostly vote that way, but seldom vote a straight ticket. . . " My apologies
to Strunk & White.

[surferchicklet] - 01:15am Mar 21, 1999 EST (#148 of 2088)

I also visited the site (thanks CooterBrown) and it seemed largely uninhabited... the few posts I browsed seemed, well, a bit fluffy.
guess that's what the Killer Marshmallows was about. (*s*?)

plain bill [hoffmann] - 02:32am Mar 21, 1999 EST (#149 of 2088)

You are quite perceptive, surfercicklet. TPS once was a very fun site, receiving 200-300 posts per day. At that time, moderation was
minimal. They suddenly and without warning instituted a policy of heavy moderation and, worst mistake of all, delegated the
moderation responsibilities to two liberal female posters (the killer marsmallows). It is not my intent to disparage those two; as
posters, I have enjoyed a number of debates with both and both have my respect. As moderators, they were faced with the impossible
task of enforcing the following rules

Quite a few immediately left, vowing not to return. Some of us stayed on, mostly "playing" with the moderators to see what the limits
really were. The net result was that both moderators resigned in tears after about ten days and as far as I can tell at the moment,
there is no moderation whatsoever. But the damage was done and you viewed the results. About the only good part of TPS these days
is that they DON'T have stupid pop ups.

Also, I notice that most of the discussion on guns/gun control has gone here and will likely stay there unless NYT really screws it
up.

plain bill

Never got a lift out of Learjets [zioncanyon] - 03:30pm Mar 21, 1999 EST (#150 of 2088)

TPS was a good site but only 6 or 7 people posted at a time. It was rare that an actual discussion would occur. The thing about rules is
taht there will always be someone who tries to flout them. The 2 moderators were pleasant people but they took the criticism to
heart.

"We took the path of least resistance" -- America's tombstone [guy montag] - 07:54am Mar 22, 1999 EST (#151 of 2088)

The 2 moderators were pleasant people but they took the criticism to heart.

Gawd! It's a good thing Dave doesn't take 1/10th of the stuff said here to heart... ;)

Susan [sjscruby] - 07:58am Mar 22, 1999 EST (#152 of 2088)

guy....

Well, to be honest, the criticism WAS VERY critical and personal. But they are both still alive and well. LOL

"We took the path of least resistance" -- America's tombstone [guy montag] - 08:01am Mar 22, 1999 EST (#153 of 2088)

Susan:

Well, to be honest, the criticism WAS VERY critical and personal. But they are both still alive and well. LOL

Well, it's good to hear that they both survived! ;)

I don't understand why people feel the need to attack the moderator, I really don't.

Especially here, where we have Dave, the bestest moderator in history...

(Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #27: It never hurts to suck up to the boss)

Susan [sjscruby] - 08:23am Mar 22, 1999 EST (#154 of 2088)

Wow, Guy...

Especially here, where we have Dave, the bestest moderator in history...

(Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #27: It never hurts to suck up to the boss)

You ARE good. *gggg*

"We took the path of least resistance" -- America's tombstone [guy montag] - 08:27am Mar 22, 1999 EST (#155 of 2088)

So I've been told... ;)

[marfark] - 04:31am Mar 23, 1999 EST (#156 of 2088)

"marfark" the incorrigible. The first and last PROLITARIAN. Born out of a reasoned consideration of materialist reality. Existing to
advocate the continuence of the humane evolution of human society. Estimated termination date 5/1/'00.

"We took the path of least resistance" -- America's tombstone [guy montag] - 08:25am Mar 23, 1999 EST (#157 of 2088)

marfark:

Estimated termination date 5/1/'00.

What exactly is this supposed to mean? You're not planning anything foolish are you?

Just bob [cryptic] - 05:08pm Mar 24, 1999 EST (#158 of 2088)

GW:

I guess it’s time to stop lurking and introduce myself.

Where do you live?

Currently living in South-central Alaska (home of the Exxon Valdez), having been here for 25 years both Mrs. Cryptic and Myself
have decided to move to warmer climes. On that note, we are in the process of relocating to Southern Idaho in the next couple of
weeks

What do you do for a living?

I’m recently retired, just waiting for my bride’s number to come up

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Very Married with two grown men for children, one of them is married and has given us two great granddaughters

What's your political affiliation?

While I lean toward Republican Candidates, I an and always will be an INDEPENDENT.

What's your philosophy of politics?

I would describe myself as a life long conservative. I was one of the few Goldwater supporters in colleg

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

I am an avid outdoorsman, I have long since traded my hunting rifle for a 35 mm camera (still a life member of the NRA). Other
interests are woodworking, reading and net surfing. I am hoping to add spoiling granddaughters to my interests in the future.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

The list of most admired pols is short, I would include John Hancock (for his brave and bold signature), Tom Jefferson for his vision
of government and Newt for his early efforts as speaker. Admiration of the least: that is a long list headed by Clinton and Gebhart.
Add Sheila Jackson, Barney Frank. Ted Kennedy and other lying liberals and you get the picture.

What's your religion?

Raised a devout Catholic, both my bride and I have drifted away from organized religion over the last 30 years.

What's your philosophy of life?

I would characterize my Philosophy of life as live and let live but stay out of my face.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

The only people in entertainment or sports I have any respect for are, Charles Barkley and Chuck Heston.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

The list is long and distinguished.

Anything else you'd like to add?

Since retiring, I have found there are not enough hours in the day to do all I want to do. I do plan on learning HTML soon so I can
have even more fun posting my idiotic responses on the various forums.

GW.... [G. Washington] - 05:41pm Mar 24, 1999 EST (#159 of 2088)

Just Bob: Welcome.

I look forward to having you participate on the discussion threads.

The HTML you need is easily learned.

[marfark] - 07:02am Mar 25, 1999 EST (#160 of 2088)

guy montage, "marfark" is an electronic persona. It was created to carry out a systematic program, desingned to investagate the
potential of the proposal for an electronic democracty, based on a practical humane - ist ethic. This is actually a 'restudy' of that
potential; the first program of advocacy addressed to it having been carried out from the late 1950's-late 1970's.

That first program was terminated in the 1980's, due to the rightward shifting of the US politic. This new program was initiated to
examine the correctness of that earlier termination. Todate it has.

Thanks for asking.

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:32am Mar 25, 1999 EST (#161 of 2088)

marfark:

Just checking. Wanted to make sure that the person posting under the name "marfark" wasn't planning on checking out early, if
you catch my drift. That's all.

Susan [sjscruby] - 08:43am Mar 25, 1999 EST (#162 of 2088)

hmmmmmm...

I think that "electronic persona" needs a spell-check program. LOL

bricklayer [bricklayer] - 05:05pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#163 of 2088)

Hello, folks. My name is bricklayer. I live in north central Florida and make my living here working as a masonry foreman. I've
been a masonry contractor, general contractor and bricklayer for over thirty years.

I'm married and have been for 29 years. I have four children 2 boys, 30 and 27, two daughters, 25, and 22, and two granddaughters, 7
and 3. To be clear, my oldest son is the product of my first marriage.*G*G*G*

I'm a registered Democrat, but am issue oriented, and will cross party lines at the polls if the best candidate is not the Democrat. If I
were to try to encapsulate my political philosophy, I would have to say that it is my belief that not only is compassion not to be
equated with weakness, but, in fact should be encouraged as one of the higher possible manifestations of people and therefore of
political parties.

I enjoy golf and conversation about a wide range of topics, especially my kids and grandkids.*G*

Generally I admire those politicians who have the courage of their convictions and are willing to buck their own political
establishment in order to go on record for what they believe. When I find someone like that I'll name names.*G* Obviously I do not
admire those politicos who pander to their hot button issue oriented constituencies in spite of their own convictions.

I was raised Roman Catholic, but haven't practiced organized religion for many years. I have studied and continue to study the ideas
of G.I. Gurdjieff, P.D. Ouspensky, Maurice Nicoll, and other followers of the "Work", which has contributed to my world-view and
philosophy of life.

The name of the politician that I admire most would be meaningless here. He has run three consecutive times for County
Commissioner and lost, but believes in his agenda and is willing to fight the uphill battle.

Who to slap. Hmmmm. Tough choice. It's a toss-up. No, I have to give the edge to John Sununu, with Arianna Huffington taking a
close second place.*G*

I'm not completely new to these boards, but haven't posted here for quite some time. I've been lurking lately and enjoying a lot of
the threads that are ongoing.

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 06:14pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#164 of 2088)

Hi, Bricklayer!

All participation is welcome!

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 07:33pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#165 of 2088)

Hello bricklayer!

Good to have you aboard! Just remember, this is all cyber-space. We're all simultaneously heros and villians; it just depends which
"side" you're on!

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 07:34pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#166 of 2088)

And for those who haven't heard, I have to update my profile.

I have 1/9th (approximately) children...

(Giant ***G***)

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 07:41pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#167 of
2088)

Guy-Congrats!

I have 6/9ths myself.

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 07:46pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#168 of 2088)

Avananche, cool!

And like I said, Guy, congrats.

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 07:48pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#169 of
2088)

It is cool.

The ultrasound was amazing and I actually felt the little guy kick for the first time last night.

Wild to say the least.

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 07:55pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#170 of 2088)

Avalanche:

Guy-Congrats! I have 6/9ths myself.

Thank you, and congratulations to you as well!

Is this your first? (I'm too euphoric to go back and look...)

It is cool. The ultrasound was amazing and I actually felt the little guy kick for the first time last night. Wild to say the
least.

Man, I can't wait!!!

alix: Thanks again!

Eagles have birdbrains [babblingbrook] - 08:04pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#171 of 2088)

Congratulations to you both, Guy and Avi. Parenthood's a lot of 'things'...mostly a great adventure. Enjoy every moment of it. - And
keep us all posted, hear?

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 08:06pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#172 of
2088)

Yep, Guy, it's our first.

You?

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:07pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#173 of 2088)

babblingbrook:

Congratulations to you both, Guy and Avi. Parenthood's a lot of 'things'...mostly a great adventure. Enjoy every
moment of it.

Thanks!!!

- And keep us all posted, hear?

But of course!

Do you think Daddy would be able to keep this to himself? -- Guyling



"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:08pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#174 of 2088)

Avalanche:

Yup, first here, too.

In the words of the immortal Flounder, from Animal House, Oh boy, is this great! :)

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 08:11pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#175 of
2088)

Thanks Babbling!

Guy, it is great...Now if I can just find a set of pint sized Tommy Armour 855S golf clubs...:)

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:14pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#176 of 2088)

Avalanche:

Guy, it is great...

Well, so far I'm inclined to agree... :)

Now if I can just find a set of pint sized Tommy Armour 855S golf clubs...:)

Good luck! I need to find a teensy socket set... :)

Eagles have birdbrains [babblingbrook] - 08:17pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#177 of 2088)

LOLOL...Avi...they do make 'toy' type clubs. My grandad was a pro...he made us all clubs when we were tots...unfortunately, they
probably went in a garage sale...these days, I'm collecting clubs he made and they're averaging 150 per!

You probably know there are 'collector' pages on the Net...or, if you know an old timer, you might be able to get at least a 'weekend
set' made.

Eagles have birdbrains [babblingbrook] - 08:25pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#178 of 2088)

Teensy socket wrenches? Oh boy...don't have any place to send you for that! My son was 'born' with a wrench in his hand, I think. If
it didn't have wheels, he had no use for it. He grew up to be a dirt bike rider & 'sometime road racer'...he's done the Pan-Am, three or
four times...and finished repectably for a 'shoestring' racer..

[Bear Armstrong] - 08:25pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#179 of 2088)

For some reason, I don't think Avalanche's tike will ever have a firearm accident. : )

Congrats, Avalanche and Guy !

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 08:27pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#180 of
2088)

Babbling!

Thanks for the info. We'll dedicate his first Masters win to you! ;)

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 08:31pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#181 of
2088)

Thanks Bear! You're right, he will learn early.

That reminds me...got to find him a little Remington Peerless Over & Under and prep him for Pheasant season (Maybe I can get a
Krieghoff and I'll just use it 'til he's old enough *g*).

Susan [sjscruby] - 08:37pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#182 of 2088)

Guy and Avalanche...

Congratulations to both of you! Great news. ;)

Retired Double-not Spy and...well, if I tell ya, I'll have to kill myself. [Avalanche] - 08:44pm Mar 29, 1999 EST (#183 of
2088)

Susan-

Thanks! Thanks everybody and congrats again, Guy!

Duke and UCONN are coming on soon so I have to run!

See YA!

Cuzin PollyGin-agin [goodygal] - 01:33am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#184 of 2088)

Guy! :) :) :) :P

CONGRATULATIONS ! !

What a nice thing to find out just before bedtime! (No jokes, please!)

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. [lara croft] - 01:35am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#185 of 2088)

I can only think of one other thing that would be as nice to find out, just before bedtime.

That your husband/boyfriend/meaningful one night stand, can lick his eyebrows.

Sherrie said that Dave can lick his, and it's put a whole new light on the pathfinder experience thingie.

Cuzin PollyGin-agin [goodygal] - 01:44am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#186 of 2088)

Lara, darlin', are you lawnsum lately? It makes me have a sad vision of Dave, thinking he may have a face so squinched and
scrunched that his eyes are that close to his chin. He must have no teeth!

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. [lara croft] - 02:05am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#187 of 2088)

Eeeewyouuuu, Polly. Now you've messed up a perfectly good wet dream.

When you put it that way, it doesn't sound so very marvelous, it sounds down right disgusting.

bricklayer [bricklayer] - 05:37am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#188 of 2088)

Thanks,

for the words of welcome. And congratulations to guy and Avalanche. Great news!

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:27am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#189 of 2088)

babblingbrook:

Teensy socket wrenches? Oh boy...don't have any place to send you for that! My son was 'born' with a wrench in his
hand, I think. If it didn't have wheels, he had no use for it. He grew up to be a dirt bike rider & 'sometime road
racer'...he's done the Pan-Am, three or four times...and finished repectably for a 'shoestring' racer..

I have a feeling that this could be my kid, too... :)

Of course, with my kind of luck and the way that cosmic fate tends to want to smite me, my child will probably be completely
mechanically declined... :)

Bear:

For some reason, I don't think Avalanche's tike will ever have a firearm accident. : )

Hey! Neither will mine! :)

Congrats, Avalanche and Guy !

Thanks! It really brings a smile to my face to know that so many nice people out there can share in our joy...

susan & polly & bricklayer:

Thanks!

Green, green so f'n green [Richos] - 08:40am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#190 of 2088)

I think there is a stealth right wing wacko around here at the moment Guy but it's not you. Congrats anyway on your news.

Oh hello Newman. Holding in the bile are we?

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:43am Mar 30, 1999 EST (#191 of 2088)

Richos:

I think there is a stealth right wing wacko around here at the moment Guy but it's not you.

What? I've got competition in the "stealth" right wing wacko department???

Oh well... Go figure...

Congrats anyway on your news.

Thanks!!!

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 12:44pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#192 of 2088)

Congratulations, both of you

By the way, our newest Grandchild is at the 7/9ths position. My daughter says it will be a "he" and he will go on the list with our
other eleven Grandchildren and two Great-Grandchildren.

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:52pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#193 of 2088)

Wow, TT...

Congrats to you, as well!!

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 01:47pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#194 of 2088)

Tall Timber:

Congratulations, both of you

THANKS!!!! :)

By the way, our newest Grandchild is at the 7/9ths position. My daughter says it will be a "he" and he will go on the
list with our other eleven Grandchildren and two Great-Grandchildren.

Wow, that's quite the brood! :)

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 02:05pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#195 of 2088)

Guy

I made,pretty much, that same statement to someone locally a few days ago.

That person said, "Haven't your children figured out what's causing it?"

I said, "Maybe they're enjoying themselves too much to stop!"

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 02:08pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#196 of 2088)

A Great, Great Uncle of mine was quoted as saying, "The Good Lord said to go forth and populate the Earth. The Smiths took him more
seriously than anyone else."

In case you're wondering, his last name (and mine) is Smith.

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 02:08pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#197 of 2088)

TallTimber:

LOL!

Actually, this comes as somewhat of a shock to my wife and me. We weren't really trying to get pregnant, and we figured that with
all the stress of both moving and my dad's heart attack, we didn't have a chance at conception.

Boy, how wrong we were!

Not to mention that my wife's mom had a really hard time getting pregnant, as did my mom. We were figuring that it would take us
months if not years to conceive.

Instead it was days. Yikes!

Guess I've got good swimmers... :)

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 02:24pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#198 of 2088)

Somewhere, I forget where, I once read that getting pregnant is taking seriously what was poked at you in fun.

Susan [sjscruby] - 02:31pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#199 of 2088)

LOL

Guy...

Guess I've got good swimmers... :)

Guess you do *ggg* My sisters both got pregnant about that fast, too. And one sis had previously had 1-1/3 ovaries removed---they
didn't know if she even COULD get pregnant.

TT...

Somewhere, I forget where, I once read that getting pregnant is taking seriously what was poked at you in fun.

I love that---hope I can remember it. LOL

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 02:36pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#200 of 2088)

TT:

Somewhere, I forget where, I once read that getting pregnant is taking seriously what was poked at you in fun.

That takes a couple of reads... LOL! :)

Susan:

Guess you do *ggg* My sisters both got pregnant about that fast, too.

Man, I couldn't believe it. We have two very close friends who wanted to start their family ASAP after marriage. It took them seven
months, and they were taking temperatures and charting cycles and all that.

They're going to be pissed when we tell them that we got pregnant like 3 weeks after trying without all the trying (if you catch my
drift).

And I get "swimmer" bragging rights. *g*

Susan [sjscruby] - 02:39pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#201 of 2088)

Guy

They're going to be pissed when we tell them that we got pregnant like 3 weeks after trying without all the trying (if
you catch my drift).

I get "swimmer" bragging rights. *g*

You're right---they'll kill you guys. You just got to do the fun stuff. I knew one woman who figured she got pregnant about the day
she went off the pill. LOL

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 02:43pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#202 of 2088)

Susan:

You're right---they'll kill you guys. You just got to do the fun stuff. I knew one woman who figured she got pregnant
about the day she went off the pill. LOL

Oh Gawd!

Well, my wife's been off the pill for about a year/year and a half now. Since we moved into the house (March 1), we started going
"all the way". I figure she got pregnant about March 10 or so.

We're in for it with the friends... :)

[DaveGin] - 02:46pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#203 of 2088)

Is there something in the water?

Babies! Great news, Avalanche and Guy. And you too, grandpa. Kids are what it's all about.

Your lives will change dramatically. Permanently. And for the better. You'll never work harder, worry more. And enjoy it all.

As Babblingbrook said, it's an adventure. Hope you have the time of your life.

davegin

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 02:48pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#204 of 2088)

Guy

An aspirin can be just as effective as "the pill" if it's used correctly.

Your wife needs to hold the aspirin between her knees. TIGHTLY between her knees.

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 02:50pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#205 of 2088)

...and she's gotta stand completely straight.

should I have gone there?

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 02:55pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#206 of 2088)

Dave:

Is there something in the water?

I think there is. Where I work, there are two co-workers who are pregnant, and another two co-workers whose wives are
pregnant...

And apparently it's spilling over into PF...

Babies! Great news, Avalanche and Guy. And you too, grandpa. Kids are what it's all about.

Thanks Dave!

Your lives will change dramatically. Permanently. And for the better. You'll never work harder, worry more. And
enjoy it all. As Babblingbrook said, it's an adventure. Hope you have the time of your life.

Thanks. I'm planning on it. :)

TallTimber:

LOL!!!

I'm afraid of the Extremists on BOTH sides [TallTimber] - 03:00pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#207 of 2088)

Guy

Keep your Check Book and/or Credit Card handy.

You know, I'm still trying to find that stupid SOB who said two can live as cheaply as one. My own personal experience is that two
together can't live as cheaply as two apart.

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 03:04pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#208 of 2088)

TT:

Keep your Check Book and/or Credit Card handy. You know, I'm still trying to find that stupid SOB who said two can
live as cheaply as one. My own personal experience is that two together can't live as cheaply as two apart.

Funny, I had the same experience... Before my wife and I moved in together, I had several thousand dollars in savings.

Within a year of living together, I was several thousand dollars in debt.

Go figure.

[surferchicklet] - 10:40pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#209 of 2088)

congrats everyone on the babies/ grandbabies...

first timers... tell the mrs. to get as much sleep as possible now, it will soon be a fond memory...

[Crimson] - 11:55pm Mar 30, 1999 EST (#210 of 2088)

Just Bob/Cryptic,

If you're still hangin' around, I just read your bio, and read that you're planning a move to southern Idaho. Can I ask which part of
southern Idaho?

The reason I ask is that there is southwestern ID, and southeastern ID and ne'er the twain shall meet. LOL I tried to guess using your
politics or interests, but that didn't help. Nearly EVERYONE here is an outdoor enthusiast, and conservative/Republican (except me,
LOL).

Anyway, I'm in Boise, Idaho (southwestern).

Next woman I marry gonna work and bring ME the dough [laklak] - 12:38am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#211 of 2088)

TT -

"My own personal experience is that two together can't live as cheaply as two apart."

You haven't met my divorce lawyer. With any luck you never will.

[surferchicklet] - 12:41am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#212 of 2088)

Your divorce lawyer, laklak, or your former spouse's??*s*

[surferchicklet] - 12:45am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#213 of 2088)

If you really want warmer weather, head down this way... 2 days before Christmas it was in the 60's Christmas Am it snowed enough
to make everything pretty, then went away...

Next woman I marry gonna work and bring ME the dough [laklak] - 12:56am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#214 of 2088)

Actually MY lawyer. She gave away the farm. I was stupid enough to think that somehow a female laywer might do me some good in
dealing with the righteously feminist ex, but she was smart and went for a silver-back, chest-beating alpha male who chewed mine
up and spit her out like so much used Redman. Oh well, live and learn. (What else can I tell myself *g*). I figure in her next life the
ex will come back as a trout and I'll be a lampray - then I'll suck HER dry hee hee. The weather sounds great, I'm an old Florida boy
and this northern weather is NOT to my liking.

[surferchicklet] - 01:03am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#215 of 2088)

I've a cousin who moved to Juneau several years agoand keeps trying to convince me that "It really doesn't get that cold" in Ak... (as
she stands outside in 20 degree weather in shorts) I told her to look up 'acclimate.')

Sorry 'bout the blood sucker...

know what you call 100 lawyers on a sinking ship? (Sorry all you lawyer guys, but an attorney-critter told me this joke)

A good start.*s*

"I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket
of the very freedom that I provide...and then question's the manner in which I provide it...I'd rather you just
say thank you, and be on your way" [freedom's not free] - 01:39am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#216 of 2088)

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

I am a network technician for the second largest long distance phone company for 9 years...I'm also in the US Army Reserve as a
Public Affairs Broadcast journalist..10 years....

I've been married for 8 years, going on 9, we have a beautiful daughter named Jessy (3), and one on the way (April 24th)..

I am a staunch republican and essentially believe that the federal government is WAY to large, and the 10th Amendment is my
favorite.

Fun? I am huge Iowa Hawkeye fan, and get together for all BB and FB games (season tickets) with my college roomates..all live in the
same town. We also enjoy discussing politics, and also am a huge movie buff (damn that satellite I put in...)

I admire Ronald Reagan the most in politics, the least....Bill Clinton.

My wife and I are practicing Methodists.

My philisophy is basically live and let live...and to laugh as much as possible.

I would love to shake Bud Grant's (former Viking head coach) hand...

I would enjoy punching (choking?) Latrell Sprewell...

From on of my favorite movies...it truly is "A Wonderful Life".

[Crimson] - 02:00am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#217 of 2088)

Where do you live? Boise

What do you do for a living?Paint....but I'd hardly call that a living.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married 27 years to 'himself' and countin'. We have a son (24), daughter (26) and grandson
(5). Their ages ALL change next month....sigh....makes for an expensive month.

What's your political affiliation? I'm not 'registered' with any party. Er, political party, that is. *G* But lean Democrat. Maybe just
the influence of sooooo many Repubs in this state.

What's your philosophy of politics? Dont' trust any of them, but ESPECIALLY some yahoo that just walked out the the backwoods (or
runs for cover in them) andthinks he/she knows what he's doing.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Painting. Reading. Working on our house (I'm the supervisor, and resident idea
person). Collecting (or it could be that 'buying' just gets out of hand). BIG dinners with friends (good thing 'himself' loves to COOK
big dinners). Cybil, Moira, and Cin.

Who do you admire most in politics? Sen. Frank Church. Who do you admire least? Jesse Helms.

What's your religion? Mother's family was/is Church of Christ. Mom let me pick for myself....picked "no organized religion".

What's your philosophy of life? I don't like too much change. But then that COULD be just my getting older speaking.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? I'll have to give that some thought. I tend to NOT like hand shaking or hugging (unless it's 'himself' that is.)

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? Too
many to name.

Anything else you'd like to add? Maybe later......I'm shy.......*G*

[jcastro] - 05:46am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#218 of 2088)

Hey Guy and Avalanche, what wonderful news! congrats!

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 08:37am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#219 of 2088)

surferchicklet:

congrats everyone on the babies/ grandbabies... first timers... tell the mrs. to get as much sleep as possible now, it will
soon be a fond memory...

Thanks!

(Although I have a feeling that the "Mrs" will have me getting up to take care of the baby...) :)

janice:

Thanks!

It truly is wonderful (if unexpected) news... :)

Susan [sjscruby] - 11:54am Mar 31, 1999 EST (#220 of 2088)

fnf...

we have a beautiful daughter named Jessy (3), and one on the way (April 24th)..

Congrats to you as well!!

Student Of It All [ElPrimo] - 12:10am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#221 of 2088)

Bricklayer.."I would have to say that it is my belief that not only is compassion not to be equated with weakness, ..." Why, with a
belief like that, it's no wonder you're a Dem, Bricklayer. I have missed your posts...you used to participate more. But it does get nasty
sometimes.

Crimson.....Bill Munz, Oregon jim and myself all have had dealings with the C of C. Small world. ....anyone else notice that there are a
lot of exCatholics here? (are there any other kind?) Then again, there are a lot of ex everythings here. LOL

[surferchicklet] - 12:20am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#222 of 2088)

guy, part of what she needs to store up sleep for is the "nesting" (beware, every male I knew ran for the hills after the third time I
asked for a "little" help moving a "couple" pieces of furniture...) And it gets really hard to sleep in the 9th month... imagine trying to
sleep while feeling someone rolling around and kicking from the inside. My daughter got the hiccups 3 nights running a few days
before shewas born. I was in the kitchen drinking water trying to get rid of HER hiccups. You know you're desperate for sleep when
you say "BOO" to your belly... It's funny now... but after 3 days w/out sleep it seemed reasonable...

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 07:57am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#223 of 2088)

El Primo:

anyone else notice that there are a lot of exCatholics here? (are there any other kind?)

Here's one "ex"-Catholic...

surferchicklet:

Oh, joy. Thanks a lot... The last thing I need is for Mrs. Guy to decide she wants to move everything around... :O

We figure she'll be due sometime around mid-December. At least she'll make it through the summer with minimal problems... [Guy's
fingers and toes are crossed...]

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 11:21am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#224 of 2088)

Guy,

A fall/winter pregnancy is much better than a spring/summer one. Being pregnant in hot weather is very far from a picknick.
There are higher clothing costs, though...

[surferchicklet] - 11:27am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#225 of 2088)

Yep...had mine child the end of Sept... 95 degrees when I went in the hospital, 45 the day I came out. Mother Nature is fickle here in
the south...

I was miserable most of the summer...

Nesting can be a good thing... you won't believe what you find when you take the top off your stove to clean it with a
toothbrush.*GG*

I took a disliking to my house, 100+ yrs old plantation style, and moved into a new house 2 weeks before babe 'cause i couldn't get it
clean enough... And NO, I am not normally compulsive.

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 11:33am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#226 of 2088)

alix:

A fall/winter pregnancy is much better than a spring/summer one. Being pregnant in hot weather is very far from
a picknick. There are higher clothing costs, though...

I assume you mean a pregnancy that delivers in the fall/winter, right?

We have friends who have had both a fall/winter pregnancy and a summer pregnancy (kid1 born mid-Nov., kid2 born end of July).
They heartily recommended the fall/winter...

Looks like we lucked out...

Not to mention that there is a distinct possibility that we might have a shot at a millenium baby... ;)

Dyslexics of the world.......UNTIE!! [CooterBrown] - 11:41am Apr 1, 1999 EST (#227 of 2088)

I think I'm staying away from this thread. The way you guys are going, if I were to get lucky, she'd wind up pregnant! AUGH!!

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 12:01pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#228 of 2088)

A 21st century child...

[surferchicklet] - 12:50pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#229 of 2088)

Come to think of it, Cooter, you're right... Love mine dearly and wouldn't take anything for her (They really are fun, Guy) but you
couldn't pay me to have another one... I don't think I'd survive the worrying...

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 01:28pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#230 of 2088)

alix:

A 21st century child...

Maybe. It depends on how long my wife can hold it in... :)

surferchicklet:

Love mine dearly and wouldn't take anything for her (They really are fun, Guy) but you couldn't pay me to have
another one... I don't think I'd survive the worrying...

Even more for me to look forward to...

That reminds me of something a friend of mine told me when she found out she was having a boy: "With boys, you only have to
worry about their penises. With girls, you have to worry about all penises".

Dyslexics of the world.......UNTIE!! [CooterBrown] - 01:40pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#231 of 2088)

We didn't have to childproof everything for Suzanne. I'd tell her something was a no-no, and she wouldn't touch it.

Nothing is safe from boys, but at least when they get older they don't have a major crisis every five minutes.

[surferchicklet] - 01:55pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#232 of 2088)

Mine brought me a lighter one day and told me it was dangerous to leave them around for little kids to pick up... she was 3.

I thought I had childproofed my home until a friend brought her son over (both kids were 1-1/2... ) I realized then how GOOD my
babe was. Still is. She does have her experiments though.

I was talking more about what Guy said... My ex was badly injured playing football in HS... I told him at least I didn't have to worry
about that... he sez "NO, just football players." gulp.

My main worries stem from my "human services" experiences... Dept of Social Services, Rape counseling/crisis intervention, the
lovely fellas I work with,... OOPs sorry, Guy... not helping much, huh?

"stealth" right wing wacko... [guy montag] - 02:36pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#233 of 2088)

surferchicklet:

I was talking more about what Guy said... My ex was badly injured playing football in HS... I told him at least I didn't
have to worry about that... he sez "NO, just football players." gulp.

EEK!

My main worries stem from my "human services" experiences... Dept of Social Services, Rape counseling/crisis
intervention, the lovely fellas I work with,... OOPs sorry, Guy... not helping much, huh?

I'm not too worried about that -- I've got plenty of guns... >:)

Susan [sjscruby] - 03:52pm Apr 1, 1999 EST (#234 of 2088)

A 21st century child...

Ahhhh...but if the baby is born this year, you get a tax deduction *ggg*

Nick Danger-Third Eye [phideaux] - 01:02pm Apr 2, 1999 EST (#235 of 2088)

San Diego

Hardware and software engineer

Married 2nd time. 6 kids(5 girls 1 boy)all grown. Youngest turns 20 in Aug.

Independant

Unnecessary Evil

Cooking,reading and theater

Most admire: you must be joking

Least admire: every one of them

Ex everything

It's all good

I'd dearly love to hug Sophia Loren-several times

I'm not a violent person, but I'd like to see B. Gates take it in the shorts.

I don't post often, but I very much enjoy the discourse that takes place on these boards, and I enjoy most of the people.


plain bill [hoffmann] - 02:03am Apr 3, 1999 EST (#236 of 2088)

Hi, Crimson. I think I knew most of that before (not all). It's nice to read you here. What do you collect? Gloria now says I am a
collector of Alladin lamps since we stumbled on a good one at a local antique store and purchased it. Alacite tall Lincoln drape in
mint condition, even the chimney is original. These date to about 1939-1949. It is possible to determine pre or post war with black
light, but we haven't bothered yet.

Summer's almost here, unless it was March 20.

plain bill

bricklayer [bricklayer] - 01:42pm Apr 4, 1999 EST (#237 of 2088)

LOL, El Primo, you're right, that is exactly what makes me a Dem. Good to see you again as well.

If ignorance is bliss,why aren't more people happy?- Ferret Mike [hobbb] - 02:27am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#238 of 2088)

bump

OJ - Gawd's Chosen Speaker. Listen and learn from his Holiness [nwdude] - 02:34am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#239 of 2088)

Well - in case anyone doesn't know me, I'm Oregon Jim - a fair-minded guy, sensitive to the ideas and positions of others - always
ready to listen and consider the other persons point of view on any subject.

Tolerant of others is how I would describe myself - especially in the area of politics and religion.

Well - that's all I wanted to share with you this evening.

[Crimson] - 03:01am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#240 of 2088)

Hi Bill. Sorry I didn't see your post before now.

Summer's almost here, huh? *G* Not in my neck of the woods, and I hear it's even worse in yours. Although we ARE suppose to hit 70
this week so maybe there's hope.

As for what I collect: Sometimes it seems like a little bit of everything. But I seem to be going through my second childhood already,
and have a couple of toy collections (yeah, yeah....*G*) Must be because the grandson is so far away.........at least that's my excuse and
I'm stickin' to it. Also like Indonesian puppets, and have a small collection of those.

Hope your weather gets better (a friend that moved to the Pugent Sound area about ten years ago is moving back. For sunshine she
says. *G*).

[Crimson] - 03:03am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#241 of 2088)

Hey, OJ. You're one o' the most sensitive guys I know ;)..........keep up the good work.

FIRECRACKER [Firecracker] - 03:03am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#242 of 2088)

Crimson, the Puget Sound had lots of sunshine today - it was beyond gorgeous!

[Crimson] - 03:15am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#243 of 2088)

Ah but Firecracker, will it stay that way. *G* Actually I've never visited up that way but I understand that it is beautiful. Just don't
think I could take all that cloudiness year round. Besides I thought you all didn't want to admit that it was EVER sunny up there, just
in case someone is checking out the local job market and real estate. ;)

FIRECRACKER [Firecracker] - 03:22am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#244 of 2088)

Admittedly, Crimson, the one day a year the Puget Sound gets sunshine, it is beautiful. But you're right, the other 364 days are the
pits *GGG*

DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT MOVING HERE, ANYONE.

(Thanks for the giving me the chance to editorialize, Crimson ;^D)

[Crimson] - 03:30am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#245 of 2088)

You're quite welcome Firecracker. *G*

I'd say the same thing about my area except the local 'letters to the editor' repeat it quite often. Actually I find the newcomers quite
interesting. Especially their business (translate: money). ;)

GW.... [G. Washington] - 10:31am Apr 12, 1999 EST (#246 of 2088)

Well - in case anyone doesn't know me, I'm Oregon Jim - a fair-minded guy, sensitive to the ideas and positions of others - always
ready to listen and consider the other persons point of view on any subject.

Tolerant of others is how I would describe myself - especially in the area of politics and religion. --Oregon Jim

Jim: You really are a model of tolerance and forbearance.

I especially appreciate your patience and empathy when dealing with some of our Christian brethren.

We all could learn from you in this area, Jim.

[heh, heh]

[rhianwen r] - 02:10am Apr 13, 1999 EST (#247 of 2088)

Where do you live? Brisbane, Australia

What do you do for a living? Peer down a microscope all day

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married, no kids, two kittens who are trouble enough.

What's your political affiliation? As I am an Aussie, I don't have the same affliations as most of you. Whom I vote for depends who is
running. Not really a party voter.

What's your philosophy of politics? Depends on the issue. Very left on some, quite right on others.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Medieval re enactment with the Society for Creative Anachronism. Also, reading,
being a net nerd and whatever else takes my fancy.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Well, can't say that I am that keen on anyone really, but I think your
Pat Robertson could do with a kick up the arse. I also think our Prime Minister, John Howard could do with the same.

What's your religion? I don't have one. I am an atheist.

What's your philosophy of life? Carpe diem...seize the day...you are a long time dead, so make the most of it.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? Hmmm...not really sure.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?
Randall Terry

Anything else you'd like to add? Nope!

[Captain Physics] - 02:54am Apr 15, 1999 EST (#248 of 2088)

Where do you live?<

I currently reside in South Daytona, FL.

What do you do for a living?<

I am a college student expecting to graduate soon; Spring '99

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?<

Single. I haven't found a woman that will put up with me for more than three months or so. I am lucky enough to have dates.

What's your political affiliation?<

None. I will vote for whomever I think will do the best job.

What's your philosophy of politics?<

Politicians are servants of the people. They have a duty to, not power over, the people to provide as many opportunities for
responsibility as possible.

What do you do for fun?<

If I had time for fun, ha-ha. I go out to the occassional dinner with friends or a date, see the infrequent movie, play the occassional
computer game.

What are your interests?<

Omei kung fu, physics, working out when I have time, reading a lot, writing. Did I mention physics?

Who do you admire most in politics?<

Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Martin Luther King. Unfortunately they're all dead.

Who do you admire least?<

-- insert living politician's name here--

What's your religion?<

I believe in a Higher Power. Exactly what he/she/it is, I am not sure. But I am learning.

What's your philosophy of life?<

I search for the most objective truth in all things.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be?<

Martin Luther King.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who
would it be?<

There would be a long line of politicians. And I would practice for this grand event by kicking field goals.

Anything else you'd like to add?<

No.

one who knows [phideaux] - 04:42pm Apr 20, 1999 EST (#249 of 2088)

Don't mind me, just trying to keep this thread alive.

[guy montag] - 04:52pm Apr 20, 1999 EST (#250 of 2088)

Good idea phideaux...

I'll add my two cents to help the thread along. It may come as a shock to some of you (who are living in a cage -- heh heh), but I, as
the self-proclaimed resident motorhead have a vehicular-related hobby: Collecting scale model cars/trucks/bikes.

What the hey? Anyone else out there even heard of this?

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 05:05pm Apr 20, 1999 EST (#251 of 2088)

You Guy, a motorhead?

yeah, right.

[guy montag] - 08:10am Apr 21, 1999 EST (#252 of 2088)

Well, so I've been told... ;)

"Insufficient IQ. Replace operator and strike any key." [jollyollie] - 04:43pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#253 of 2088)

I've been to Seattle four times ( airport thing ). was SUNNY all 4 times. Had to post that. MsRobbie is going to kill me.

"Insufficient IQ. Replace operator and strike any key." [jollyollie] - 04:59pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#254 of 2088)

Where do you live?
Western Canada.
What do you do for a living?
Sell frivolous products, for profit. ( hopefully )
Married? Single? Gay? Have children?
Married, two kids, who fortunately look like their mother.
What's your political affiliation?
None.
What's your philosophy of politics?
Depends on the day.
What do you do for fun? What are your interests?
Striving to be a Professional Vacationer.
Who do you admire most in politics?
You never heard of him, but his name is Izzy Asper ( out of politics.. media mogul. ) Who do you admire least?
Jesse Helms... No Contest.
What's your religion?
None, and I sorta feel bad about it.
What's your philosophy of life?
Be an amiable dunce, it works for me.
If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?
had the pleasure of meeting numerous posters. Hope to meet many more, and they know who they are.
If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?
There was one, but I'm over it now.
Anything else you'd like to add?
"Life is Like A Carton Of Smokes".... ( it's addictive, it's expensive, it can burn you, some think it stinks, it doesn't last long enough,
it's loaded with taxes, and it will kill you. )

"Insufficient IQ. Replace operator and strike any key." [jollyollie] - 05:04pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#255 of 2088)

Great thread GW!

[MsRobbie] - 07:27pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#256 of 2088)

Say your prayers, Jollyollie. You've said sunny things about Seattle one time too many.

"Insufficient IQ. Replace operator and strike any key." [jollyollie] - 07:35pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#257 of 2088)

....*gulp*

Authorized KBO Agent for Lesser Seattle [MsRobbie] - 07:56pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#258 of 2088)

You've heard of the Black Trenchcoats recently, right? Get ready to meet the Black Raincoats.

You in a heap o' trouble, boy.

Susan [sjscruby] - 09:42pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#259 of 2088)

Uh oh, jolly....

You ARE in trouble now. *ggg* You KNOW better than to ever say anything good about the Seattle weather. MsRobbie WILL find you.
;)

Libby [mbette] - 10:16pm Apr 24, 1999 EST (#260 of 2088)

Jim, I'm so glad to see you back. Hope you hang around for awhile. :)

Robbie, it's been awhile for you too! Welcome back. :)

Please don't beat up on Jolly...he didn't mean it. We all know the sun never shines in Seattle, by way of your own numerous and
detailed reports from that area, Robbie.

How was that? heh heh

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 10:40am Apr 26, 1999 EST (#261 of 2088)

Welcome back, Jollieollie!

We could use more people with a sense of humor on these threads, we (at least I) missed you!

Let's give the Russians a chance! [CooterBrown] - 11:49am Apr 26, 1999 EST (#262 of 2088)

{{{{ JO & Robbie!! }}}}}}}}

plain bill [hoffmann] - 02:01pm Apr 26, 1999 EST (#263 of 2088)

MsRobbie, I'll set up an ambush in case he tries to sneak through on the ground.

plain bill

[fionn] - 09:20pm Apr 26, 1999 EST (#264 of 2088)

The name is Ed Smith.

Currently living in Norco, CA

Government drone

Single never been married.

Politically to the right of the Republican party.

Basic political philosophy is "that government is best which governs least".

For fun I ride horses, fish, surf the net, read SciFi, and spend time with my god-daughter.

Most admired politician is Ronaldus Magnus

Least admired is our current prez aka the coward-in-chief.

Hardshell Bible thumping Southern Baptist.

My general life philosophy is to live and let live. You keep out of my life and I will keep out of yours.

Would most like to meet Lady(Baroness) Thatcher.

Too non-violent to want to slap anyone.

Like to lurk on the boards.

The sunshine bores the daylights out of me [zioncanyon] - 10:12pm Apr 26, 1999 EST (#265 of 2088)

Government drone?

[fionn] - 04:03pm Apr 27, 1999 EST (#266 of 2088)

Yep. I design web pages for the US government.

As to Seattle's weather. I spent 10 days there one summer and the sun was shining every day after the obligatory shower. The
brother's at the monastery where I was staying would go out after every shower and water the lawn and complain about the
drought. My clothes and I were turning green with mildew, but the brother's kept watering the lawn.

Similar to the 2 weeks I spent in Frisco one summer. The coldest winter I have ever lived through in the 20+ years that I have been
in California.

"Life Is A Slow Motion Riot" [jollyollie] - 03:28pm May 3, 1999 EST (#267 of 2088)

bump

Not now John, we've got to get on with the film show [guy montag] - 03:44pm May 3, 1999 EST (#268 of 2088)

OUCH!

"Life Is A Slow Motion Riot" [jollyollie] - 03:13am May 9, 1999 EST (#269 of 2088)

bump

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 06:12am May 10, 1999 EST (#270 of 2088)

One of the things that I find interesting on these threads is the ebb and flow of polite discourse.

The flow is almost like the tides, rising and falling, sometimes tempestuous, somtimes calm.

People realize their interlocutors are people like them, and relax a bit. Then their opinions and positions take over, and they start
the attack anew.

Beer is the answer. Luckily, I forgot the question [guy montag] - 08:05am May 10, 1999 EST (#271 of 2088)

Now what exactly do you mean about that, mr smarty pants?

;)

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 10:19am May 10, 1999 EST (#272 of 2088)

Listen, pencil neck, when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you, ok? So shut your pie-hole!

Just Kidding!!!

;-)

GW.... [G. Washington] - 10:26am May 10, 1999 EST (#273 of 2088)

Gentlemen.....gentlemen.....let us cease and desist from this contentious mode.

Let us behave civilly and with love toward one another.

Otherwise, I'll give you such a kick in your big, fat asses that your pants will be permanently creased.

Now, may I offer you a conciliatory cup of tea in the Rumpus Room?

Beer is the answer. Luckily, I forgot the question [guy montag] - 10:28am May 10, 1999 EST (#274 of 2088)

Oh yeah? Yeah? You gonna make me? Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya? Punk!

LMAO!!!!

GW.... [G. Washington] - 10:34am May 10, 1999 EST (#275 of 2088)

Me and my two friends might might have somethin' ta say ta ya, Pilgrim.....

Meet my friends....Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.....

Oops! Sorry. That's for another thread.

I think, therefore I am...I think. [smartalix] - 11:14am May 10, 1999 EST (#276 of 2088)

I scraped the glo-in-the-dark stuff off of 37,569 watch faces, and now I have a functional 3 kiloton nuclear device! I modified a
potato cannon to fire it, so you guys watch who you push around!

Hahahahahahahahah!

GW.... [G. Washington] - 11:21am May 10, 1999 EST (#277 of 2088)

Oh, geez.

May I offer you a bran muffin and a cup of coffee as a peace offering, Mr. Smartalix........Sir?

GW grovels outwardly. But inwardly, he makes plans to stockpile 50 cases of Raid Ant and Wasp Killer as a starter chemical weapons capability.

Ray: All the gun control we need was enacted in 1791! [wardaddy] - 11:37am May 10, 1999 EST (#278 of 2088)

Where do you live?
Born in Hughes, Arkansas in 1937, moved to north Mississippi my freshman year at Ole Miss where I had an NROTC
scholarship.
What do you do for a living?
Twenty years as a Marie Corps officer, retired. Went to law school at Ole Miss and practiced law until I had to retire becuse of
health. Had a small stroke and heeded the warning.
Married? Single? Gay? Have children?
Happily divorced. Two sons, Trully and Brett, two beautiful daughters-in-law, and two beautiful grandsons.
What's your political affiliation?
Registered Democrat until after Reagan's first term, then voted for Reagan for his second term. Registered Republican about
seven years ago. Voted for Donald Duck when Clinton ran against Bush.
What's your philosophy of politics?
Socially liberal-moderate, fiscally moderate.
What do you do for fun?
Computers
Play acoustic guitar, 6 and 12 string
What are your interests?
Stereo buff
Shooting sports although I can't get around too well any more
Reading-science fictioin, fantasy, history, and about anything else that look interesting
Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?
Admire: Living: Senator Thad Cochran.
Dead: Thomas Jefferson Admire least: David Bonior
Jesse Helms
Teddy "Submariner" Kennedy
What's your religion?
Episcopal, or as one of my law profs used to say "Whiskalopian."
What's your philosophy of life?
Live and let live, speak softly and carry a big stick.
If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who
would it be?
Long list.
If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?
Sean Penn (Translation: Beat severely about the head and shoulders).
Anything else you'd like to add?
Thank you Psyche. The new lory, Zorro is a beautiful little clown. He can't make me forget Kai, but he reminds me of the joy
that she brought me.

Charter Member of The Hoffman Chapter of Crusty Old Farts.


[jcastro] - 11:57pm May 13, 1999 EST (#279 of 2088)

Just stopping by to dust the pool table and refill the ice bucket . . . .

Seattle, hmmmm . . . my Mac was hit by a careening bus in Seattle, which then missed me by inches. The policeman who came along
was astonished when I took the Mac out of the fat soft case, and booted it up without trouble. . . this really should be an ad . .

If you can't talk about cars, then you probably eat brussel sprouts. [CooterBrown] - 12:01am May 14, 1999 EST (#280 of
2088)

Janice, you mean that carry Mark McGuire around with you in a carrying case?

Authorized KBO Agent for Lesser Seattle [MsRobbie] - 12:04am May 14, 1999 EST (#281 of 2088)

Janice, that was your computer that was hit when the bus fell off the Aurora Bridge last November?

It was raining that day, of course...

Alle Menschen werden Brüder / Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. [Vulgus] - 12:14am May 14, 1999 EST (#282 of 2088)

I don't remember having posted here. So bear with me if this is a second introduction.

Where do you live?
Daytona Beach, FL

What do you do for a living?
Research Assistant; soon to be Graduate Student (physics)

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?
Never. Yes. Nope. Nope (I hope :)

What's your political affiliation?
ROFL. I try not to. I'm anarchist, though, for what it's worth.

What's your philosophy of politics?
See above.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?
Post here; Reading Medieval Fantasy; Role-Playing Games; Programming; History; Philosophy

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?
Nobody. Everybody.

What's your religion?
Wicca.

What's your philosophy of life?
Carpe Diem

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?
Not a single damned one.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?
With the exception of Pathfinder, all of the above.

Anything else you'd like to add?
I demand a rigorously and well-defined area of uncertainty and doubt in all things. (Vroomfondel, HGTG)

In all science there is only physics; all the rest is stamp collecting. (Ernest B. Rutherford)

Why, in ellipses, of course. (Sir Isaac Newton, greatest Natural Philosopher ever to have and ever to live. Period. In response to a
question about the path of the planets about the sun.)

[jcastro] - 08:29pm May 14, 1999 EST (#283 of 2088)

Of COURSE it was raining, Ms R! But this was at the airport, the cop was a diver from the rescue team on extra duty, and the bus driver
was insane, probably fearing an additional substance abuse rap . . . but the Mac is fine.

[BillCostley] - 03:56pm May 23, 1999 EST (#284 of 2088)

poet, playwright, journalist, PR-rep.

One Sunset Road Wellesley MA 02482-4615 (781) 431-1314 sunset@gis.net http://www.gis.net/~sunset/bill.html

With their jockstraps pinching they slouch to attention [laklak] - 04:11pm May 23, 1999 EST (#285 of 2088)

They need DIVERS at the Seattle airport? Sheesh, and I thought we got rain in Upstate.

How DO they land those suckers underwater?

Stop the bombing and I'll become Jolly once again. [Concerned Ollie] - 04:14pm May 23, 1999 EST (#286 of 2088)

Welcome back Bill! - jollyollie

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 04:44pm May 23, 1999 EST (#287 of 2088)

I've never posted on this thread, because I think everyone already knows what I stand for and where I live, etc., from my other
postings.

Also, when I first arrived at PF, I was accused of being an imposter and was actually banned from these boards for a time without
any investigation......only one accusation.

I was guilty, until I proved myself innocent.

Now, we'll let bygones, be bygones and go on from here.

But..........if anyone has further questions.......which I doubt......I'll try to answer.

Just don't ask for my S.S. #, nor my Credit Card #.

BTW....my S.S. # is on my Driver's License, which I think is an invasion of my privacy, but not the only one.

I would get a bycycle and sell my car, but we have to register bikes too........using our S.S. #.

Ah.....sweet.. mys..ter.y of life..........at last.....

Wherever they burn books, they will also, in the end, burn people- Ferret Mike [hobbb] - 01:11am May 31, 1999 EST
(#288 of 2088)

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GW.... [G. Washington] - 10:27pm Jun 4, 1999 EST (#289 of 2088)

Is there anyone who hasn't yet introduced themself?

If so, this thread awaits.

Sign in, please.....................

A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. [guy montag] - 09:11am Jun 11, 1999 EST (#290 of 2088)

bump

(all right, so that was more of a jiggle than a bump...)

[Obin.] - 03:44pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#291 of 2088)

I am Obinn. I sneeked in here under a different name to let everybody know, that I have been censored out. I have no more access. I
have inquired by email, but there was no response. What exactly the reason is, was not made clear. I admit, I have been notoriously
politically incorrect by stepping on Jewish and Black toes, but how could this be a good reason? If we can stand on liberal toes, then
why can't we stand on some more. It looks, that some folks enjoy the status of holy cows.
Well whatever. I am out. I have to say Good Bye to all of you. I will be just reading from now on.

Obinn.

[goodygal] - 03:54pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#292 of 2088)

Don't worry folks. Obin. probably can't read. Have at it! :)

Susan [sjscruby] - 03:57pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#293 of 2088)

Hi, Polly ;)

[goodygal] - 04:00pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#294 of 2088)

Howdy Susan! This is the introduction of the new me! I'm mean spirited and nasty! :) But not to you! :)

[Dan420] - 04:20pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#295 of 2088)

Where do you live?

I live In Lyman Washington; can any one find that on a map?

What do you do for a living?

Nothing.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Divorced as of Friday. One kid, two year old son.

What's your political affiliation?

None

What's your philosophy of politics?

I think every one should just get high and it wills all work out from there. Every one will just be to stoned to care.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Read the last statement again.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

Hilly and Bill Clinton. Ronald Reagan.

What's your religion?

Not that I feel that I should answer this question but I think it is rude to ask. Eckankar

What's your philosophy of life?

As I said before every one just needs to get high.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Monica.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Monica.

Anything else you'd like to add?

"Can’t we all just get along"



We have enough youth; let's look for a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 04:26pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#296 of 2088)

GW: Sign in, please.....................

Oh heck, GW, do I hafta? OK, here goes:

oWhere do you live? Seattle, Washington. Not only am I a native, my parents were also both born here, as were a couple of my
grandparents. I have webbed feet and moss growing on my north side.
oWhat do you do for a living? I spent 25 years in the public school biz, the last 20 of which were as a labor negotiator,
management side of the table. About a year ago I quit and went free-lance. Now I'm doing all kinds of Human Resources stuff,
chiefly for school districts. Recently a neighboring school district asked me to serve as their chief negotiator (on a consultant basis)
this summer, so I'm back in the saddle again.
oMarried? Single? Gay? Have children? Widowed. One son, now 36, and one step-daughter (whom I claim as my own daughter,
even though I didn't contribute any genes), now 29.
oWhat's your political affiliation? One is not require to register a party affiliation in Washington State. I'm a moderate, with
generally liberal leanings.
oWhat's your philosophy of politics? What the hell does that mean?
oWhat do you do for fun? What are your interests? I read to distraction, but mostly mystery novels. I love live theatre. I
exercise by power-walking. I pick on people who abuse apostrophes.
oWho do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? That's a tough one. In general, regardless of profession, I
admire intelligence and integrity. Those I can think of who are obviously intelligent (e.g. Clinton) lack integrity (e.g. Clinton). May
I have the next question, please?
oWhat's your religion? My ancestry is North Irish Protestant, and I grew up in a Presbyterian family. Then I spent most of my
adult life being an agnostic. Ten years ago I converted to Judaism, and have found a home there.
oWhat's your philosophy of life? Close as few doors of opportunity on yourself as possible; time alone will close too many.
oIf you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be? Norm Rice, former mayor of Seattle; Michael Crawford, who played The Phantom in the original
London production of "Phantom of the Opera"; Tiger Woods; and SherrieG.
oIf you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be? Clinton; any rap "singer"; OJ Simpson; and several RWWs.
oAnything else you'd like to add? It seems odd to me that age wasn't asked. I'm 56 and I've enjoyed each stage of my life more
than the last. Pretty lucky, eh?


Susan [sjscruby] - 05:28pm Jun 27, 1999 EST (#297 of 2088)

Robbie

I pick on people who abuse apostrophes.

Ahhhhhhhh....the apostrophe police surfaces. *ggg*

oAnything else you'd like to add? It seems odd to me that age wasn't asked. I'm 56 and I've enjoyed each stage of my
life more than the last.....

But just BARELY 56. ;)

GOP Reporter GW.... [G. Washington] - 11:50am Jun 28, 1999 EST (#298 of 2088)

Is there anyone who hasn't yet introduced him or herself?

If so, please sign in.

Live, from the Church of Cow and Chicken... [hoeker] - 12:16pm Jun 28, 1999 EST (#299 of 2088)

Joan S...

Did you hear GW? Do it.

LaWanda [lawanda] - 10:46pm Jun 29, 1999 EST (#300 of 2088)

Where do you live? Idaho Panhandle

What do you do for a living? Psychological Examiner; EMT; Sec.-Treas. of 2 non-profit organizations

Married? Yes 20+ yrs Have children? 3 daughters; 6 grandchildren

What's your political affiliation? GOP

What's your philosophy of politics? Less government all around with less federal government more state's rights.

Who do you admire most in politics? Newt

Who do you admire least? Clinton

What's your philosophy of life? With rights come responsibilities

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, who would it be? Robert A. Heinlein, were he alive; excluding him, Thomas Sowell.

If you could punch or slap one person, who would it be? Either one of the Clintons

[Al Bruhn] - 02:31pm Jul 2, 1999 EST (#301 of 2088)

Born in Yonkers, New York and raised in Wilton, Connecticut, where I was elected as a first tenor to Connecticut All-State Chorus
during high school. I also participated in school and community theatrical productions prior to serving during the Vietnam War
with the United States Air Force and honorably discharged at which time I attended Norwalk Community College, Western
Connecticut State University and received both a BS and MS in education. I've been a teacher with the Danbury, Connecticut Public
School system since 1972. Since my college days, I've been actively involved in local media starting as a weekend news director at
WINE AM/FM Radio in Brookfield, Connecticut and WLAD AM/FM in Danbury, Connecticut and newspaper reporter for various
publications and now as cable TV producer/host since 1978. I'm also an amateur wrestler and coach with the Western Connecticut
Wrestling Team/Club, and love my family media network website here!

[Pyrhhus] - 04:27am Jul 18, 1999 EST (#302 of 2088)

Hello Everybody. I am Pyrhhus.

I don't exactly know what to tell you about me other than I am a male age 31 from Oklahoma. I am glad to meet you and look forward
to discussion with each of you.

Thank You!!

And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be...? [Duh...] - 04:37am Jul 18, 1999 EST (#303 of 2088)

Having fun, are we???

[VioletProdigy] - 12:10pm Jul 18, 1999 EST (#304 of 2088)

-I live on Saipan. Some would've heard of it. Beautiful place, disgusting political system.

-I'm a college student; volunteer at hospitals and libraries, tutor children since i just love them so much.

-A dedicated single

-Democrat. But I'm starting to have doubts.

-Less government!

-I read a lot, swim a lot, snorkel a lot, basically i like to do almost anything.

-I really admire John Kasich. i was very impressed with his book and his contributions.

-obviously, bill clinton.

-protestant though my parents are faithful buddhists.

-i complained i had no shoes until i met a man who had no feet--arabian proverb (pretty cool, huh?)

-mother teresa. wishing she was alive..

-Preferably Bill Clinton. If not, Monica Lewinsky would be fine.

Oregon Jim [nwdude] - 12:19pm Jul 18, 1999 EST (#305 of 2088)

I'm that fellow from Nantucket whose.......................

Well, you know the rest.

Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon [surferchicklet] - 12:54am Aug 7, 1999
EST (#306 of 2088)

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Aye, Scarlett, the only thing that lasts is the land... [RogerThat] - 01:56am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#307 of 2088)

Where do you live? Fair Oaks, California
What do you do for a living? Government Paralegal - Child Protective Services
Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married 29 years; 2 daughters: (1) 24 (Whitman College grad., Peace Corps; (2) 23 (Seattle
race car parts mfg/distributor)
What's your political affiliation? Liberative Conserveral
What's your philosophy of politics? Laissez-faire
What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Read (Favorite: Tom Wolfe, currently into "A Man In Full")
Who do you admire most in politics? John McCain Who do you admire least? The IPOTUS
What's your religion? Christian
What's your philosophy of life? Much like Thoreau's, maybe J.D. Salinger's
If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? Diane Sawyer...the news never looked so good!
If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?
Non-violent, but I wouldn't mind dropping one of those slimy, sticky-rubbery spiders down the front of SherrieG's blouse.
Anything else you'd like to add? I reserve the right to amend these answers as more information becomes available.

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 03:35am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#308 of 2088)

My name is Yohn Yohnson,

I come from Wisconsin,

I maka $3 a day.

I go to see Nellie,

Etc................(Censored by Dave, and rightly so!)

Actually I am half Swede (My Grandparents were immigrants, who came to America at ages 17 and 18, and had a tough life, as did my
parents)....and very Stubborn in opposing GIV-MINT Corruption in Both Political Parties, and is why I'm quite unpopular on this BB,
which is made up mostly of Rabid Partisans, who think their Party is Perfect, while the "Other" Party" is the Devil Incarnate.

OR

They just like to bicker...........

[lara croft] - 03:39am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#309 of 2088)

You meant dicker, right?

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 03:43am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#310 of 2088)

Lara.....If you mean dicker as in haggle, I guess you are right.........LOL!

This has been edited, due to a mistake found by Lara....Thanks Lara.

Libby [mbette] - 03:52am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#311 of 2088)

You mean haggle, right Bill?

Hagger is a brand of clothing.

.*G*

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 03:54am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#312 of 2088)

Yes, I meant Haggle......thanks, I'll try to edit.

[lara croft] - 03:58am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#313 of 2088)

Thanks Lara.

No problem, Bill

And you were talking about Nellie, so I just assumed you meant dicker. LOL

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 04:08am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#314 of 2088)

OHHHH!....You meant dick-er?

Is that like dic-tation?

[lara croft] - 04:28am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#315 of 2088)

LOLOLOL, THERE ya go, Bill. Exactly like dic-tation. LOL

[zeebool] - 06:49am Aug 7, 1999 EST (#316 of 2088)

I live in my mind.
The rest of me lives in B'hamWA.
I am a counselor.
I am divorced and have one son in whom I am well pleased.
I am left of center ... liberal moderate Libertarian.
I think politics is to be scraped off the bottom of one's shoe with a stick.
I like to hang out on the boards and castigate whomever I find offensive.
I admire no one in politics!
You want to know my religion and philosophy of life? Check out:
<http://members.theglobe.com/ZeeBool/zeebool.html>
I would like to shake the hand of Gandhi and the Dali Lama.
I'd really like to hack into Sodom Hussein's Swiss bank account and transfer it all to the B'nai Brith.
I know I may sound bitter ... I AM bitter ... not just about my own perceived disenfranchisement as a citizen; but for all of us. There
are those of us, both elder and child, in this "bountiful" land who need food and medical care.
It is my opinion/perception that our government doesn't give a damn and waits impatiently for the old and sick to die so that our
voices will be still. Waiting us out is a proven successful technique.

When you can do nothing, what can you do? Zen Koan [surferchicklet] - 11:45pm Aug 14, 1999 EST (#317 of 2088)

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Jamaica Inn [the MacGuffin] - 02:05am Aug 15, 1999 EST (#318 of 2088)

Two men are on a train. One asks the other what the parcel is that he put in the overhead. "It's the MacGuffin," he replied. "What's a
MacGuffin?" "It help hunt lions on the plains of Scotland."

"But", says the first, "there are no lions on the plains of Scotland!"

"Well" says the second man, "then that isn't a MacGuffin."

.

I just liked that little story.
Told by Hitchcock.

Signifying nothing. :)

Start me up! [glencarr] - 04:40am Aug 15, 1999 EST (#319 of 2088)

I like Hitchcock flicks & that's all I'm going to say about that.

namida [NinianH] - 06:55am Aug 15, 1999 EST (#320 of 2088)

this might be fun.

I live in Japan.

I am married and write for a living. I have a child.

I was once a communist then socialist (via Michael Harrington whom I knew) then a democrat, then a republican/libertarian.
Which holds true today.

I believe in the free market economy that the US has been so wonderfully strong in presenting to the world--in the past.

I believe that human beings should have the right to "self-determination"--that they should be able to find their dreams and build
them to the best of their abilities.

I believe in one God who is the creator of us ALL and love us as his children.

I believe that human beings have as their worst trait the obsession that they are more worthy than God.

I write screenplays for a living. See you in a theater soon.

Trevor [b-bart] - 02:27am Aug 19, 1999 EST (#321 of 2088)

NinianH

And a breath of fresh air blows through.

I believe in the free market economy that the US has been so wonderfully strong in presenting to the world--in the past.

I believe that human beings should have the right to "self-determination"--that they should be able to find their dreams and build
them to the best of their abilities.

I believe in one God who is the creator of us ALL and love us as his children.

I believe that human beings have as their worst trait the obsession that they are more worthy than God.

Thank You NinianH

namida [NinianH] - 07:36am Aug 19, 1999 EST (#322 of 2088)

and thank you mr. b-bart. God be with you.

[Riona] - 01:41pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#323 of 2088)

Where do you live?

New England

What do you do for a living?

I'm in middle management.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Not now, but my current S/O is wonderful.

Straight.

One.

What's your political affiliation?

None, I tend to agreed with issues from both sides.

What's your philosophy of politics?

It's interesting to follow, but in ways it's like watching a Nor'easter.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Spending time with my child, my boyfriend, and reading.

Note: I am also a former D&D player. I now play *Magic* a card game that might be interesting to some of you. It is the *adult*
version of D&D, and there is an online site. If you'll search *Magic The Gathering* you should be able to find the site.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

No one alive. All those alive?

What's your religion?

I believe in a Supreme Being, and the Prime Directive.

What's your philosophy of life?

See above.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be?

JFK

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who
would it be?

Pee Wee Herman is very irritating.

Anything else you'd like to add?

I usually just read, I don't really have the time to post.

I am waiting for my boyfriend, and thought I'd introduce myself at least.

I have enjoyed reading the discussions, and may post some from time to time.

Susan [sjscruby] - 01:48pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#324 of 2088)

Welcome, Riona.

[Riona] - 01:54pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#325 of 2088)

Thank you, Susan.

(I need to go now, my S/O is here.)

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 07:11pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#326 of 2088)

Riona

Hello there! Welcome aboard!

Hope you have a thick skin and a high tolerance for BS, but once you get past the petty insults and miscellaneous flamers, imbeciles,
and drive-by posters, this is a pretty darn cool place.

R U REDI 4 [PoliticsY2K] - 07:18pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#327 of 2088)

I'm a college student at UC San Diego majoring in physical education. I'm currently a male but am in the process of becoming a
woman.

Currently I live as a woman - just that I have a penis. I already have my breasts and hips so other than the occasional erection I
keep it pretty well hidden that I'm not 100% female - yet.

Look forward to meeting all of you!

Dan = Roseanne

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 07:20pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#328 of 2088)

PoliticsY2K

Welcome aboard dude! Er, I mean, dudette...

Well, just think of me as a "Hard Core" moderate.. [TSean] - 07:30pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#329 of 2088)

Hope you have a thick skin and a high tolerance for BS, but once you get past the petty insults and miscellaneous flamers,
imbeciles, and drive-by posters, this is a pretty darn cool place.

LOL...

Yeah, and that's Guy describing the Posters he Likes!

(we'll tell you about the real wacko's later....)

P-y2k and Riona...Welcome..... Nice to see new Posters IMO...

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 07:34pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#330 of 2088)

TSean

Yeah, and that's Guy describing the Posters he Likes!

Hey! I like everyone here (with a few notable exceptions...)

G*

Well, just think of me as a "Hard Core" moderate.. [TSean] - 07:50pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#331 of 2088)

Hey! I like everyone here (with a few notable exceptions...)

Oh yeah, I know that.....

Me Too..Even some of the Insulting Flame-baiting,Imbecilic,Drive-byers(as long as they have a sense of humor, or I can laugh at
them...either one will do)...

Heck, I even got along with Wren for about a Week or so, at one point.....

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 08:01pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#332 of 2088)

TSean

Just checking... *G*

[Riona] - 08:30pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#333 of 2088)

TSean, and Guy Montag

I do have a thick skin, and have been reading here for some time. I saw references to *PF* on TPS and from what I understood, there
were more regular posters.

Um..?

There is more activity at least.;)

Thank you for the welcome. As it becomes colder I will post more often. I look forward to it.

GW: [G. Washington] - 08:32pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#334 of 2088)

PoliticsY2K: You sound like an interesting person. Hope to hear more from you around here.

Don't wanna cause no big s-s-sensation... [hoeker] - 09:23pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#335 of 2088)

Huh(???)...

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 07:11pm Aug 22, 1999 EST (#334 of 342)
"...once you get past the petty insults and miscellaneous flamers, imbeciles, and drive-by posters..."

You rang?

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 09:03am Aug 23, 1999 EST (#336 of 2088)

Riona

I do have a thick skin, and have been reading here for some time. I saw references to *PF* on TPS and from what I
understood, there were more regular posters.

I don't know... Never been to TPS...

Thank you for the welcome. As it becomes colder I will post more often. I look forward to it.

As it becomes colder? Huh?

[runs up, whispers in Guy's ear]

(She means that SOME people actually get outside and enjoy nature instead of sitting at a computer all the time, doofus)

Oh, yeah...

hoeker

NEVER!

Not you by any stretch.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 09:39am
Aug 23, 1999 EST (#337 of 2088)

Hey Riona, PY2K,

Welcome!

Don't mind the squabblling, just step over the bloodstains on the floor...

We welcome any and all input here, pull up a keyboard, and have fun!

It loved to happen. -Marcus Aurelius [surferchicklet] - 11:16am Aug 23, 1999 EST (#338 of 2088)

LOL.. "bloodstains" good one alix... that's the truth, tho... check out RR and one of the lara /Sherrie threads if it gets to be too much..
they are for the most part DMZ..

Magic?* A guy at work was telling me about that.. I have played the computer version.. might have to check it out...

Has any one else tried it?

Might be an apt game for me..LOL

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:01pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#339 of 2088)

I go thru phases with games---in a no-game phase right now. LOL

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 01:04pm
Aug 23, 1999 EST (#340 of 2088)

I'm currently nursing an addiction to Half Life. I just got over my Alpha Cenrtauri jones.

I used to love to play D&D, and knew the game back when it was three digest-sized booklets in a box.

It loved to happen. -Marcus Aurelius [surferchicklet] - 01:28pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#341 of 2088)

alix.. my bro and I do Half-Life... after we came off a Doom kick..*S*

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 01:29pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#342 of 2088)

surferchicklet

my bro and I do Half-Life... after we came off a Doom kick..

Doom... Oh Gawd... when I was in grad school, we networked Doom... that was a hoot...

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 01:38pm
Aug 23, 1999 EST (#343 of 2088)

Half-Life makes Doom look like a children's party.

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 01:39pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#344 of 2088)

alix

Really???

Kewl.

I must take a look at it... Any shareware sites out there? (Is it Win95/98 compatible?)

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 01:55pm
Aug 23, 1999 EST (#345 of 2088)

Guy,

There is a downloadable demo (I think it is available through the link I gave), and it is wintel compatible. I run it on my Windoze 98
notebook. I just got my ethernet card for it, so now I'm a high-ping bastard on the challenge sites, using my office's T1 line!

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 02:21pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#346 of 2088)

alix

Cool! Thanx!

It loved to happen. -Marcus Aurelius [surferchicklet] - 02:27pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#347 of 2088)

You're right, Alix...

Even the Nintendo 64 version of Doom is better than the CD.. we used to network Doom, too, Guy.

Guy...

In Half Life you're a gov't researcher who has to make thru levels.. first critters and then the *cleanup crew* coming to sanitize
you.. it is wicked cool.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:28pm
Aug 23, 1999 EST (#348 of 2088)

I'm currently stuck in alien space...

[herschel10] - 02:29pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#349 of 2088)

I live in the lower mainland area of British Columbia as a happily retired French language teacher, communing often with 2 cats
and a word processor.

As a Wiccan student of the occult I read, write and do consultations with friends and clients using Astrology, The Tarot and the
Qaballah.

I'm amicably divorced from another teacher, single, straight, with 2 grown daughters. I vote socialist [NDP]. I believe all working
people should be organized in order to deal effectively with employers, and that ultimately, only workers should own the means of
production.

I collect wine and music, act occasionally in community theatre productions, bicycle, and venerate certain actors and musicians.

In politics and life I admire courage and perseverence as represented by Svend Robinson, MP from N Burnaby, and Barney Frank,
Representative from Massachusetts.

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 02:36pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#350 of 2088)

surferchicklet

Even the Nintendo 64 version of Doom is better than the CD.. we used to network Doom, too, Guy.

Really?

Can you run "cheat codes" on Nintendo64, though?? *G*

In Half Life you're a gov't researcher who has to make thru levels.. first critters and then the *cleanup crew*
coming to sanitize you.. it is wicked cool.

Sounds it! I'll have to take a look!

GW: [G. Washington] - 02:47pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#351 of 2088)

herschel10: I like everything about you, except your politics. And politics is not sufficient to make people enemies.

So let us agree to disagree over politics, but let us be friends.

[herschel10] - 02:50pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#352 of 2088)

I can dig it, GW. I like your style, if nothing else!

It loved to happen. -Marcus Aurelius [surferchicklet] - 04:11pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#353 of 2088)

Guy Yepp.. got lots of cheats..*g* the one to make the characters big on Diddy Kong Racing is *Arnold*

I never would let chicklita have one before... but since she was reading a whole grade and a half above her grade, figured, Why not?

She still reads for fun.. I have friends who's kids have always had the things, and never read.. hate to in fact.. was NOT having that.

she likes DK Racing, Banjoo Kazoie, and those insipid Pokemon...

I like RUSH.. a racing game (cars, no less..*w*) Doom, and a couple others.. it's cool.

hershel10 Hobbb is Wiccan as well.. I lean more toward the Craft.

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 04:24pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#354 of 2088)

surferchicklet

Yepp.. got lots of cheats..*g* the one to make the characters big on Diddy Kong Racing is *Arnold*

Ahhh... So cheating is possible... Hmmm...

I never would let chicklita have one before... but since she was reading a whole grade and a half above her grade,
figured, Why not?

If she's doing well in school, no reason at all... can "reward" her with cool games, right?

She still reads for fun.. I have friends who's kids have always had the things, and never read.. hate to in fact.. was NOT
having that.

Good. Reading, it seems, is becoming a lost art...

she likes DK Racing, Banjoo Kazoie, and those insipid Pokemon...

*G*

I like RUSH.. a racing game (cars, no less..*w*) Doom, and a couple others.. it's cool.

A car racing game??? [raised eyebrow]

Susan [sjscruby] - 04:36pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#355 of 2088)

Welcome, hershel ;)

Don't wanna cause no big s-s-sensation... [hoeker] - 04:41pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#356 of 2088)

I've got just two words to say about racing games...

POD RACER!

[herschel10] - 04:46pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#357 of 2088)

sjscruby: Thanks!

Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 04:59pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#358 of 2088)

A thousand apologies

herschel10

Howdy! Glad to have you aboard!

Have you hugged your lawyer today? [CooterBrown] - 05:08pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#359 of 2088)

Man, I haven't played Doom in a while. Need to go back, and see if I can ever get that one door open in the first room.

I'm more prone to role playing and strategy games, rather than things that require quick hand-eye co-ordination.

I'm a big sci-fi fan, and could get into this magic stuff.

[herschel10] - 06:08pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#360 of 2088)

Bonjour, Guy!

[fionn] - 08:19pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#361 of 2088)

Yo tengo dos preguntas. Whatever happened to Edrie? and does anyone play internet Imperialism or CIVNET?

Susan [sjscruby] - 08:25pm Aug 23, 1999 EST (#362 of 2088)

Not I, fionn---sorry

I've always wanted to be... [Captain Chaos] - 02:39pm Sep 8, 1999 EST (#363 of 2088)

bump

A Kindler Gentler [Captain Chaos] - 04:55pm Sep 2, 1999 EST (#364 of 2088)

Greetings all! I am about to turn 60 and live in Roseville, CA and have been retired nearly four years. Current occupation is "golf
specialist." Married nearly 33 yrs with sons nearly 32 and 29. Real name is Dale. Motorcop is in honor of my older son who is a police
officer and was on bikes until just recently when he became a detective. I am a fiscal and social conservative after having been a
registered Democrat from 1964 till 1990. Thank you Ronald Reagan. My overriding political thought is that virtually all legislation is
meaningless and is only introduced and passed in order to reward friends and supporters or to give the elected supporters ammo for
sound bites to enhance their power and reelectability. This goes for Republicans as well as Democrats. I truly believe that Bill and
Hillary are evil and deserve to be incarcerated. Handshakes: Politics - John McCain, a true American Hero; Entertainment - Rush
(had a chance and missed it a few years ago); Sports - Arnie, Jack and Tiger. Slap: All the lackeys who defended Clinton even though
they knew he was guilty of just about all accusations; Entertainer: Woody Harrelson - what a fool (second place, Ted Danson). Sports -
Mike Tyson but I can't run fast enuf. Religion - sometimes Catholic, admire the Jews for their religion and achievements in the face
of centuries of undeserved, jealous discrimination. Lastly, we reap what we sow and this is the key to our current younger
generation. Too many working parents, too many parents too lazy to make and enforce rules and only introduce freedom to their
children as they prove that they can handle it. When I hear of a teenager dying in a Mustang, Camaro or on a motorcycle I
immediately think - death by parental neglect. Dogs are underappreciated by most. A dog will run through fire for even a cruel
master, its capacity for loyalty is so limitless.

And your point was...? [Motorcop] - 07:25pm Sep 2, 1999 EST (#365 of 2088)

Greetings all! I am about to turn 60 and live in Roseville, CA and have been retired nearly four years. Current occupation is "golf
specialist." Married nearly 33 yrs with sons nearly 32 and 29. Real name is Dale. Motorcop is in honor of my older son who is a police
officer and was on bikes until just recently when he became a detective. I am a fiscal and social conservative after having been a
registered Democrat from 1964 till 1990. Thank you Ronald Reagan. My overriding political thought is that virtually all legislation is
meaningless and is only introduced and passed in order to reward friends and supporters or to give the elected supporters ammo for
sound bites to enhance their power and reelectability. This goes for Republicans as well as Democrats. I truly believe that Bill and
Hillary are evil and deserve to be incarcerated. Handshakes: Politics - John McCain, a true American Hero; Entertainment - Rush
(had a chance and missed it a few years ago); Sports - Arnie, Jack and Tiger. Slap: All the lackeys who defended Clinton even though
they knew he was guilty of just about all accusations; Entertainer: Woody Harrelson - what a fool (second place, Ted Danson). Sports -
Mike Tyson but I can't run fast enuf. Religion - sometimes Catholic, admire the Jews for their religion and achievements in the face
of centuries of undeserved, jealous discrimination. Lastly, we reap what we sow and this is the key to our current younger
generation. Too many working parents, too many parents too lazy to make and enforce rules and only introduce freedom to their
children as they prove that they can handle it. When I hear of a teenager dying in a Mustang, Camaro or on a motorcycle I
immediately think - death by parental neglect.

Who was that crazy man in the golden submarine?? [surferchicklet] - 08:55pm Sep 2, 1999 EST (#366 of 2088)

Hi hershel, and Motorcop..

Nice to meet you..

Guy.. sorry... just saw your post.. and yes.. reading for fun seems to not be popular in high school and middle school here... the
younger kids do.. It seems to come in waves..

I think it has to do with the schools trying different methonds, then coming back to the basocs and phonics..

Chicklita could read before she started school, tho.

and yes... a Car racing game.. I'm damn good at it too.. there's a cool stunt track on it.. I have an incredible hang time on some jumps,
and have won on several tracks.. Hate *Alcatraz* tho...LOL.. apt, don't you think?

Cooter.. I've not played Doom in a few months.. Think I will this weekend..

may be going to Knoxville for a couple of days.. not sure yet..

And your point was...? [ErisAndMe] - 09:20pm Sep 2, 1999 EST (#367 of 2088)

I've been lurking here for a few months now and have just recently been brace (or irritated) enough to start posting.

Where do you live? Currently in western PA, but I'm an Idaho girl at heart. I'm amazed at the different types of beauty both sides
of the country have to offer.

What do you do for a living? I'm the billing specialist at a mid-size law firm.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? 25, divorced, living now with my best friend who also happens to be a hell of a sweetie.

What's your political affiliation? I'm pretty sick of all the crap in politics these days, both sides have the career politicians
and unethical people just looking out for themselves. I wish we could throw all of them out and start the system over again. I try to
vote by the person, not the party.

What's your philosophy of politics? See above.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? I'm a complete computer/internet junkie. I program some (mostly for
fun) and love linux and Apple. (I too met the love of my life over the internet and am happy as can be). I'm a voracious reader, my
tastes tend to run to sci-fi/fantasy and mysteries, if you want a good book discussion, please feel free to email me, I'm always looking
for a new good author. I also sew and quilt and cross stitch. Oh, and I've recently discovered the Final Fantasy series of computer
games...(no, I'm not addicted, honest...*blink* *twitch*)

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Tough question. Lately they all sound alike.

What's your religion? I was born and raised mormon, but realizing you don't believe in god kinda makes you rethink a few
things in the religion department. If I have to pick a catagory I'd go with Discordian :)

What's your philosophy of life? 'There is no governor anywhere..." I'm the boss of me, for good or bad.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be? I'd love to meet a few of my favorite authors, talking about murder over tea with Agatha Christie
sounds delicious.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be? Not a violent person (I'm too small to even be threatening) but I think all current politicians should be put in a
room together to battle it out and the one who comes out alive is the worst one of all ;)

Anything else you'd like to add? Feel free to email to serendipiday@hotmail.com

[surferchicklet] - 09:35pm Sep 2, 1999 EST (#368 of 2088)

Guy

I don't know... Never been to TPS...

You've missed very little.

As it becomes colder? Huh?

[runs up, whispers in Guy's ear]

(She means that SOME people actually get outside and enjoy nature instead of sitting at a computer all the time,
doofus)

Oh, yeah...

:) Yes, we try to bike regularly, and enjoy going to the beach. I will soon need to switch to the stationary bike, as I dislike the cold
unless there is snow involved.

smartalix

Hey Riona, PY2K,

Welcome!

Don't mind the squabblling, just step over the bloodstains on the floor...

We welcome any and all input here, pull up a keyboard, and have fun!

Thank you for the warning. {lifting skirts as I step over blood.((shuddder))

surferchicklet

LOL.. "bloodstains" good one alix... that's the truth, tho... check out RR and one of the lara /Sherrie threads if it gets to
be too much.. they are for the most part DMZ..

Yes, so I've seen, thank you.

ErisandMe

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Tough question. Lately they all sound alike.

I agree.

[Riona] - 06:16pm Sep 4, 1999 EST (#369 of 2088)

Guy

I don't know... Never been to TPS...

You've missed very little.

As it becomes colder? Huh?

[runs up, whispers in Guy's ear]

(She means that SOME people actually get outside and enjoy nature instead of sitting at a computer all the time, doofus)

Oh, yeah...

:) Yes, we try to bike regularly, and enjoy going to the beach. I will soon need to switch to the stationary bike, as I dislike the cold
unless there is snow involved.

smartalix

Hey Riona, PY2K,

Welcome!

Don't mind the squabblling, just step over the bloodstains on the floor...

We welcome any and all input here, pull up a keyboard, and have fun!

Thank you for the warning. {lifting skirts as I step over blood.((shuddder))

surferchicklet

LOL.. "bloodstains" good one alix... that's the truth, tho... check out RR and one of the lara /Sherrie
threads if it gets to be too much.. they are for the most part DMZ..

Yes, so I've seen, thank you.

ErisandMe

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Tough question. Lately they all sound alike.

I agree.

GW: [G. Washington] - 12:25pm Sep 15, 1999 EST (#370 of 2088)

Captain Chaos: I loved you as Motorcop.

Stop by more often.

Retired at 56, eh?

I'm 55, and plan to retire right after I turn 65.

I'll still have a son in college, but I'm setting aside money now to see him through his degree.

GO-----STEELERS [spagz] - 02:14pm Sep 15, 1999 EST (#371 of 2088)

GW- If you want to make God laugh tell him your plans for the future! I retired at 51( medical disability). Fell on a patch of black ice
and broke my neck,lower back,elbow,and wrist.The doctors put Humpty together again but I will never recover the past.THE WEIRD
ONE!

I've always wanted to be... [Captain Chaos] - 02:36pm Sep 15, 1999 EST (#372 of 2088)

G. Washington

Alas, O Presidentially named one, I am not the esteemed Motorcop.

Twas but a mere mixup caused by the gremlins of Time...


[Kurd] - 02:00pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#373 of 2088)

Hi, people! I am new here. I am a young european woman. I am an Atheist. Divorced. No children. Left liberalist. I studied
Philosophy. Who do I admire in politics? All people ready to fight for social and individual freedom. I would slap all fascists of the
world, all dictators. I would shake hands with all people ready to fight. Particulary with Abdullah Ocalan. Who of you knows this
man? He has been sentenced to death by the Turkish government because he was able to organize the resistence of the Kurdish
people. Does one of you know the Kurdish people? I am ready to give informations, of course. I am a left-liberalist. A little bit
difficult to explain, particulary to the american audience. BTW, I do not believe the USA are the biggest democracy of the world and I
got fed-up with their attitudes as the ruler of the world. Too many times they supported dirty dictatorships (Turkey, Chile etc.). Do
you think democracy is the best political way in the world?

What do I do for fun? Discussing about all possible issues. I answer all questions.

I see you are in touch with your inner monkey. [FAUFORDE] - 02:54pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#374 of 2088)

Where do you live?

The most beautiful place in the world for three of the four seasons, West Michigan.

What do you do for a living?

Currently an Account Rep for Customer Service at a Telecommunications Co.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Single, gay, no kids.

What's your political affiliation?

Used to be hard Democrat. Now, I'm an Independently leaning Democrat, with a hint of libertarianism.

What's your philosophy of politics?

Socially liberal, fiscally moderate.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Love photography, being with my friends, laughing loudly and frequently, and rafting when I get the chance. I love Lake
Michigan and will never leave "my" lake. I like politics, but much less than I used to. I will be taking up kick boxing soon, just for
"kicks" (haha get it?)

Who do you admire most in politics?

I'm much too jaded to admire anyone in politics, but if I had to choose - Jimmy Carter. But, that's not really accurate because he's not
in politics anymore. So, no one.

Who do you admire least?

People who can't admit they were wrong, and people who are too full of themselves to apologize, and people who cannot think
without checking the bible first.

What's your religion?

Episcopalian, although I don't feel we are any better than the rest of the lesser religions.

What's your philosophy of life?

Don't take yourself so damn seriously.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

Not a hugger. I'd like to shake Sammy's hand.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

I'm a lover not a slapper.

Anything else you'd like to add?

You always make the most interesting threads, GW.

[Kurd] - 03:03pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#375 of 2088)

Hello, Fauforde, It seems we are the last ones here. I did not hoped to see new posts here. Glad to see you. A pity all people here are
Americans and they use to talk about things I can not understand very well. And so many conservatives... I do not wonder, in
country in which only two political parties exist... there is no opposition!!! I am against the death penalty. The crime committed by
an individual can not be imitated by the State. Nobody has the right to kill, even not the State. Sometimes I tend to think the USA are
not much better than the islamic countries and their blood feuds. Blood can never be washed by blood. Any opinions?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 03:40pm
Sep 24, 1999 EST (#376 of 2088)

I agree, Kurd.

Celebrating nothing...you feel A-OK... [hoeker] - 03:40pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#377 of 2088)

Kurd...

Welcome to Pathfinder. You are correct in your observation that there are many "conservatives" here, however you should note
that they consider this venue to be a product of the evil Liberal Media and are quite vocal about their view that they are
discriminated against (sorry to end that sentence with a preposition). That tactic is just an attention-getting device, employed when
they become frustrated with the failure of the rest of us to heed their reports of doom.

BTW...What did your countrymen think of the attempt to remove Clinton from office? Did they view it as a legitimate effort to excise
an individual who was threatening the very fabric of the United States judicial system with his untruthfulness? Or did they perhaps
view it as a political assassination attempt?

[Kurd] - 03:47pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#378 of 2088)

Smartalix, thank you. Any opinions? Any answérs to my questions?

[Kurd] - 03:58pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#379 of 2088)

Hi, hoeker!

Liberal media and systems mean all people have the right to express their opinion. The problem does not consist in being a
conservative. The quiestion in this regard is: Where are the progressists? (I do not know if I spelled it correctly). It is quite true that
the leftist intellectuals are used to stay silent, in th last years. We need an aequilibrium of the forced.

We Europeans had some big laughters thinking of the reason why to remove Clinton? Because of a little sexual affaire? We do not
think this can be a good reason! We are much more free and tolerant in these things. Of course we also love gossip, but we use to
judge the work of a person, not his private life. he just did what we all use to do, sometimes. If rights, then for all, even for the
President. We had a similar story in my country. The President finally married the woman. Now she is our First Lady.

Of course Bill C had to deny, knowing the double moral of the American people. And Monika was too immature to maintain the secret.
A little soap opera, of course, no more than this. When we criticize the USA, than rather because of their sich Health Care System
and of course the support of bloody dictatorships, as I mentioned above. I hope I was able to answer your questions, friend. I am
surfing throught he older messages on this venue, I am still here today. I am the only European here!!! Is it a honour? LOL...

Celebrating nothing...you feel A-OK... [hoeker] - 04:45pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#380 of 2088)

Kurd...

It is an honor to have you here. It can allow us a different perspective that we are sorely lacking. We have a few other posters who
post from foreign soil, but they are transplanted Americans for the most part, and are not possessive of your point of view.

GW: [G. Washington] - 04:49pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#381 of 2088)

kurd: Since you insist on bringing partisan politics into a thread intended to allow people to get to know one another, allow me to set
you straight on a couple of things.

Mr. Clinton wasn't impeached over "a little sexual affair." He was impeached because he lied under oath and obstructed
justice. Other people have gone to jail during Mr. Clinton's administration for lying under oath and obstructing justice.
And he didn't carry on his "little sexual affair" in a hotel or a private home, like one of your discreet European
contemporaries would do. Nooooooooo......He carried on his little affair in the Oval Office. We Americans have a thing about
the Oval Office, you see. Quaint bumpkins that we are, we see it as a place where the nation's business is carried out. Treaties
have been signed there. And now it's also known as the place where Bill Clinton carried on a tawdry affair with an intern
young enough to be his daughter. Are you getting a sense of why President Billy pissed off a lot of people?

Good.

Feel free to participate in the discussions here, but do keep this thread free of partisan politics.

Thank you.

The thread parent

[Kurd] - 04:55pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#382 of 2088)

Dear hoeker, Nice to meet people like you!! It is clear, as an European, I use to think differently, not better or worse, of course. I
believe in diversity and plurality. Ask me more.

Celebrating nothing...you feel A-OK... [hoeker] - 05:00pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#383 of 2088)

GW...

It was me. I brought up the subject of politics. I asked Kurd's opinion. I broached the subject. There's nothing in the header
prohibiting or even suggesting that this is a politics-free thread. In fact, you ask who the posters admire and disdain. I think your
objection has more to do with Kurd's apparent rejection of your particular point of view.

[Kurd] - 05:05pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#384 of 2088)

G Washington,

you are our host, so I believe. But I insist on my opinion. I can not be forced to change my mind. It would be nice from you to explain
me the term "partisan politics". Am I right, or this board is open for all possible opinions? If I am forced to support any political
view, then I have to think this is a restriction of my personal freedom of speech and thoughts. Is this the big American way of life?
Miss Monica was not a child at that time. Maybe many men ignore it, but we women have desires, too, sometimes... Oval Office, Hotel,
lift, bed: where is the difference? I am not a supporter of Clinton, I am a critic of the USA politics and their arrogance in front of the
world. I like to discuss issues, as I told in my bio. I was asked about my opinion and I told it. Why not? Feel free to kick me out just for
supporting a different view than the most of the partecipants. This is not democracy as we mean it, but a sort of thought control. I
am sorry to have bothered you with my opinion. I did not want to make troubles, just to initiate discussions, maybe. Please, be so nice
to explain to me that "partisan policy". I thank you.

GW: [G. Washington] - 05:06pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#385 of 2088)

hoeker: Okay. I won't be pissy about it.

Welcome, kurd, even though we're already chock-full of liberals around here.

I guess we can make room for one more liberal, especially if you bring a European viewpoint to the discussion.

[Kurd] - 05:09pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#386 of 2088)

hoeker,

Thank you again. You are great. But please, do not jeopardize your access defending me, it would hurt me, believe me, if you would
lose it because of me! It is a sign of high morality. I do not know how to tell you how I am appreciating you.

GW: [G. Washington] - 05:10pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#387 of 2088)

kurd: No, I'm not the boss around here. I'm just one of the participants who likes to give opinions on everything. (The real boss is a
fearsome troll who lives under the bridge. His name is Dave.)

By all means, feel free to express your opinions.

I was only saying that there are many other discussion topics (which we call threads) more appropriate to political give and take.

Welcome to our little political sandbox.

[Kurd] - 05:15pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#388 of 2088)

Ok, George,

We Europeans mean liberalism a little bit differently. Not as a free capitalism, much more as a response to democracy, not the
alternative. Left liberalist means the democratic participation of all individuals to our common life. We do not recognize
"minorities": all people have the same rights. It roots in the French Revolution. In an almost only american board it could be useful
to come to the different points of view. I must not support th American policy, I hope, so long I do not insult but try to give
constructive impulses. It is hard to be an European!!!!

[Kurd] - 05:20pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#389 of 2088)

I can't help. George!!!

Life is politics!!! And I am here to introduce myself as was I am.

Oh, I forgot to mention: I am a pretty girl in the middle of her 30s. Is this more interesting? And I am a journalist, I did not mention
it.

I also love soccer, movies and animals. Am I now a little more human? ;-))))

GW: [G. Washington] - 05:21pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#390 of 2088)

kurd: You will find that those of us who participate here have very thick skins. There is much give and take, and it's mostly good
fun.

I invite you to go to the discussion thread called Taxes and give your opinions on abolishing the American tax system.

GW: [G. Washington] - 05:27pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#391 of 2088)

kurd: A pretty girl who likes soccer?

We've just become instant friends.

I play goalkeeper in a local over-30 soccer league.

I also have a calendar on which I mark off the days until the next World Cup.

Tell me more about yourself, you fascinating European journalist girl, you.

[Kurd] - 05:33pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#392 of 2088)

George!!!

I am the absolute ignorant in american tax system!!! How could I partecipate? We pay high taxes in my country and in the most
European countries, because we believe that money can be use to support people in a difficult state. Each of us can come in a
difficult economical situation, so the State has to care with the money each of us does pay for it. It is solidarity. I pay a lot for the
possibility to become unemployed and not to starve under the bridge... And we have a wonderful Health Care system, not only for the
rich. Each sich or handicapped person gets the best possible care. Gratis. This is solidarity. All in all we have a wonderful living
standard, much lesser homeless people than in the USA. But we did not want to discuss political issues... Soccer, perhaps? LOL

BTW, I have fun here...

[Kurd] - 05:37pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#393 of 2088)

Ok, George!

I am a fan of the USA soccer team.

Each 4 years I get completely crazy... And why not... nice boys kicking the ball... Goalkeeper was my dream before I realized I was
just a girl.

Here I am: blond, blue eyes, cute, long hair, 36 years old. Jeans and T-shirt type, sometimes femme fatale as well...

Now it is your turn.

GW: [G. Washington] - 05:40pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#394 of 2088)

Well, kurd, you have wonderful football (soccer).

And your wines are superior to our California wines, I believe.

And you have a wonderful sense of history.

And finally, many of us here agree with your feelings on taxes and the liberal nanny state.

But many of us would rather do things for ourselves than have the government do them.

Instead of giving my money to the government so it can set up a (very inefficient) health care system, I would rather decide myself
what to do with that money.

Happy to still be here today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 05:41pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#395 of 2088)

Kurd

Welcome girl.

Reading your posts is like finding a drink of fresh, clear and icy spring water on a hot day, or a nice fire on a below zero winter
night.

GW: [G. Washington] - 05:44pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#396 of 2088)

kurd: Don't you have women's soccer teams over there?

What country are you from?

By the way, you sound like a babe.

Bill Russell--Retired, Secret Service and NSA [Bill Russell] - 05:45pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#397 of 2088)

Hi ya'all DEAR people,

I'm yer friendly, handsome SS man.

I don't wear Black Trenchcoats nor ride in Armed Black Helli-Chopters.

I allas tell the truth, 'cause Uncle Sam taught me ta be 'onest.

Having werked at O-U-R White HOuse, I learned that those POTUS's are just a bunch a Phonies, like all little Dems and Reps and
Libruls and CON-serves.

Vote fer ME this 'lection......'kay?

P.S. Fergot to tell ya.............................

Ah'm a runnin' ver VICE Presidunt.........................

Sooooooooooo, ah'll be werkin' in the Department of Vice at O-U-R White House...............

That's in Washington, D.C., aka as O-U-R Natshuns CAPitul............................

In fact, ah'll be chief man in charge a VICE!

Can't wait ta find me an Intern.......er two.........;^)

Allas did like lottsa compnee, ya see......................

Don't wurry, Be happy!........Ya see my wife sez its OK, 'cause we have and understandin.......*wink*...............

[Kurd] - 05:55pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#398 of 2088)

A babe, MEEEE?

Hey, Georgey boy, why do you think I chose KURD as my battle name???? I am a fighter....

freeindividual, I am the cosy and warm type... if nobody does provocate my aggression... Boys, it becomes more and more
interesting... Should I post here my mail adress?

George, I do not want to mention the name of my country now. I can reveal, it is a member of the EU, in the heart of Europe, but I
grew up in the South. Lot of temperament... and football, of course.

Californian wine are very hype now here. I like californian Chardonnay, not bad at all. I prefer, though, italian white wines.

Nanny state? Who is the state if not the citizens? This is the quintessence of the democracy: we all are the State, we decide. We
partecipate. The state is not a metaphysical instance, it is the product of the will of its citizens.

We have female soccer teams, of course. I am not the sport type anymore, much more the Rubens' woman. A real renaissance Lady.

[Kurd] - 05:59pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#399 of 2088)

George,

Please, help me, is the guy #405 trying to say he is a Nazi? A SS man... But I am not very familiar with the american slang... Such
types are much more dangerous than a girl talking about social solidarity and soccer. I hope I am wrong now.

[Kurd] - 06:16pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#400 of 2088)

Issue "babe".

What is a "babe"? A dumb female who obeys to the men? A sexy doll to please them? Hmmm, difficult. I am none of them I am a
professional, but this does not mean I have not a certain sense of humour...

And, freeindividual, I forgot to thank you for your poetic nice words. Very kind. Since a long time I never heard so sweet words.. I
am aware of the fact that I'm also risking to provocate some lesser pleasant comments. I am happy me and George could find some
common points. I do not reject friendships just because of different political points of views. Of course, there are types I do not want
to come in touch: Nazis, as example.

[Kurd] - 06:53pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#401 of 2088)

Oh, man!!!

Did all people fall into a deep sleep now? It is becoming boring....

How to let me alone here? Bad bad guys and gals :-(((

[herschel10] - 07:17pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#402 of 2088)

Bienvenue, Kurd! Your presence may indeed foreshadow a more 'European' flavour to what transpires here, which can sometimes be
fascinating to either a student of human behaviour or someone just here for laughs--there's certainly something for just about
anyone, here.

Your views on Clinton and the sanctimonious reaction of our political conservatives to his peccadilloes are most refreshing!

Celebrating nothing...you feel A-OK... [hoeker] - 07:18pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#403 of 2088)

Kurd...

We come and we go. That's the beauty of this venue. You're not alone, as someone will always read your postings. "Babe" is a
description used around here for a desirable, interesting woman. When you described yourself as "pretty", you emitted the
Pathfinder mating call.

As for Bill Russell, the individual you asked about, you'll have to make up your own mind about him. He seems to have a deep distrust
of the government for which he worked for many years (in the Secret Service, thus "SS"), profound disdain for political parties, and
a great deal of free time.

Please don't let anyone intimidate you. Based on your posts so far, I think you'll be fine. I look forward to "talking" with you in the
future.

Happy to still be here today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 07:22pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#404 of 2088)

Kurd

freeindividual, I am the cosy and warm type... if nobody does provocate my aggression... Boys, it becomes more and more
interesting... Should I post here my mail adress?

With a description like that, you'll be swamped with mail if you post your e-mail address, be forewarned. *G*

[Kurd] - 07:30pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#405 of 2088)

freeindividual,

here my address:

margotnovak@hotmail.com

I feel free to delete stupid messages.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 07:37pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#406 of 2088)

Let's see, a French first name and a Czech last name, from someone who posts as a Kurd. How multinational!

[Kurd] - 07:40pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#407 of 2088)

Hershel10,

Thank you very much! I hope not to disappoint you all.

My true aim is to start a good discussion, a part of it consists in having some humor, of course.

Hoeker, it was not my intention! I just thing we European women are very open for a jokes. Although it was not a joke, and you can
interprete it differently. It may depends on my bad english. Pretty means nice, handsome. It is not necessarily directed to men. I
would like to have a chat with women as well. Friend, NOBODY can intimodate me, I am a strong, self-confident woman. And I am
afraid of nothing. Believe this, I think this is my main virtue.

I want to thank all those who try to warn me from some dirty machos in the net. I am quite used ín handling it, no problem!

But where the hell is George W? I was enjoying the chat about soccer...

[Kurd] - 07:41pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#408 of 2088)

Yes,

I am multinational. But the name could be a fake one...

[Kurd] - 07:44pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#409 of 2088)

Ms Robbie,

The first name is not french at all, the second is not czech, sorry.

But you can go on trying to get it...

GW: [G. Washington] - 08:16pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#410 of 2088)

Yo, kurd:

I'm back, babe, after a training run (1.5 miles) and an excellent dinner (baked scrod, scalloped potatoes, cole slaw, and a nice
chardonnay from Washington state).

Let's talk football, babe.

I've got 3 swollen fingers, a dislocated elbow, and I'm psyched for Sunday's game. I never knew what a rough game soccer was until
I started playing it.

If you're from France, I gotta tell you I fell in love with your World Cup team last year. When they beat Brazil, 3-0, in the
championship, I can't remember when I had so much fun.

American football? ptui! Just go out and knock somebody on their keyster. That's the essence of the game.

[Kurd] - 08:29pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#411 of 2088)

Yo, Georgey boy!

Well done. I would never say no to a Chardonnay! No, I am not French, sorry! But I enjoyed the match against Brazil!!!! Oh, I was
happy! The only reason was that French was never Champion before and I wanted another team than Brazil as Soccer World
Champion. Ok, I am not saying the USA team plays very good, but the players seem to have a lot of fun by playing. And this is
important. I do always support the "weak" but brave teams, who dare to challenge the big European or South American teams. Do you
remember Cameroon some years ago? Oh, it was great!

Well, George, this is the fate of the goalkeeper. What about running for 90 minutes? It is also hard! Have you any favourite European
team? Let me know.

BTW, aren't we too boring for the audience?

GW: [G. Washington] - 08:51pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#412 of 2088)

kurd: I remember well the Indomitable Lions from Cameroon.

Cool uniforms, too.

I watch matches from the English Premier League when they televise them here. I like Manchester United.

They also televise matches from the German and Italian professional leagues on our foreign language cable station.

Watching soccer is great, but playing is even better.

Yes, to run continuously for 90 minutes you have to be in wonderful condition.

To play goal? It helps to have good reflexes and be a little crazy. I meet both of those criteria.

So, what do you do for fun, kurd?

[Kurd] - 09:00pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#413 of 2088)

Well, George,

What do I do for fun? As example, what I am doing right now. Talking with people about the various issues. I like to talk about
politics. Football (or soccer as you use to call it) is nice as well. I have no right hobbies. I like to read, to drink good wine and Irish
whisky (pure, of course). Now I am drinking beer, not the best for a gourmet like me, but it is ok. Fun is atrange word. I do not need
parties to have fun, not at all. Discussions are more my style. I like movies, particulary European ones. Not that I dislike Hollywood,
but mostly we make movies for the brain. Even though I am not a teen ager anymore, I am starting to study medicine. More for
myself than for a degree or a career. I like to write essays. Etc etc. Life is so exciting and interesting, I could decide what I prefer. I
would like to be like Doctor Faust and sell my soul to get more knowledge. Tell me something about you.

[Kurd] - 09:04pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#414 of 2088)

Wow, George!

Since I entered this board we had a lot of new messages! I hope they will become more and more.

I have to ring the bell loudly in order to get people awake here!! Maybe another mating call, perhaps...;-)))

GW: [G. Washington] - 09:07pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#415 of 2088)

kurd: I am Hindu (although raised Catholic), and am married to a nice Irish Methodist. Have 3 children, and live what I consider the
American Dream in suburban Ohio.

Life is very good, and I'm very appreciative.

When I was younger, I wanted to be a spy for the CIA, and hang out in Berlin and Brussels, and wear a trenchcoat and order Campari
for attractive lady spies.

But we inevitably grow up, n'est-ce pas?

GW: [G. Washington] - 09:09pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#416 of 2088)

People will show up.

It's Friday night.

Have patience.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 09:13pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#417 of 2088)

Kurd: The first name is not french at all, the second is not czech, sorry.

While you may be neither French nor Czech, the names certainly are.

But you can go on trying to get it...

Why thank you! In fact, I believe I have.

GW: [G. Washington] - 09:17pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#418 of 2088)

Why, msrobbie, shut mah mouf!

How are ya?

How are things up in the Pacific Northwest?

(Note to msrobbie and kurd: This isn't really a social thread. Meet me over at the Rumpus Room. The drinks are on me.)

[Kurd] - 09:18pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#419 of 2088)

Are you from India, George?

I noticed the Americans have so many religions that I got confused.... Being an Hindu doesn't mean to be an Indian. BTW, i love
Indians (the inhabitants of India. I like the Native Americans as well, they are wrongly called "Indians" as well). So your wife is an
Irish! Oh, wonderful people! I know some of them... crazy, but funny.

When I was young I dreamed to get the NObel Prize, no matter for what, mostly for physics´or literature. Concerning literature, I
could still have some chances... if I was not sooo lazy. Of course not for any writing in English :-))).

What do Americans on Friday? Do they pray for Allah?..Lol. Or is Friday the obligate day for some intimate activities? I do not know
very well... In some European countries it is rather the Saturday...

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 09:19pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#420 of 2088)

GW, you're so handsome when you're buying!

[Kurd] - 09:26pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#421 of 2088)

George,

How to say? Ms Robbie missed the friday activities since a long time.... Oops, am I a little bit naughty now?

She is quite wrong, but she insists to open her mouth. We are democratic, we should let tell her whatever she wants. And ignorants
are well-known for insisting on a point... And, is it really important if the names are french, spanish, japanesish or burundian?
Who cares?

But of course I am an alien from outer space, a Klingon... our secret, do not reveal it to Robbie baby...

GW: [G. Washington] - 09:27pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#422 of 2088)

Well, kurd, I'm not sure what's going on between you and MsRobbie, but you both need to come over to the Rumpus Room and sit
down over a chardonnay.

[Kurd] - 09:27pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#423 of 2088)

Let the boy alone, Robbie!!

I am guilty... for not being a french or a czech... oh, it must me awful, uh?

[Kurd] - 09:33pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#424 of 2088)

What is a Rumpus Room, George?

Sorry, slang is not easy for me. Robbie is trying to tell us I am a pretender.

Yes, I am. My name is not Kurd. Kurd is the name of a Kurdish person. American, Japanese, French, Kurd, Turk etc etc...

Robbie, you have a lot to learn. I am ready to explain all you want.

BTW, I use to drink Chardonnay with good friends or alone.... Better not, tonight...

GW: [G. Washington] - 09:37pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#425 of 2088)

kurd: Go the thread called "The Rumpus Room: Where's Waldo?"

There's a chardonnay waiting for you there.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 09:38pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#426 of 2088)

Kurd, I'm always delighted to learn. Please, feel free to explain anything.

[Kurd] - 09:45pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#427 of 2088)

Robbie,

You can put questions. But we all do use alias here and even the names given to the hotmail service are not always the right ones.
TIME has my personal e-mail, but I have not to give it here. I gave the address for people who maybe want to contact me. Feel free to
do it. Ask me here whatever you want. I am not a Kurd, nor a French (a pity) and even not a Czech.

George, sorry, I do not chat very much around. Who is Waldo??? Is this an invitation to leave? I can not see through you very
clearly. Of course I can stop the communication with Ms Robbie, no problem, but you have to recognize that I am trying to defend
my position. Never mind, friend!

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 09:47pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#428 of 2088)

Kurd, I apologize if I gave you the wrong impression. I didn't attack your position.

[Kurd] - 09:56pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#429 of 2088)

Ok, Robbie,

Let us shake hands and have a pleasant time together, yes? You can contact me, if you want, or go on chatting here together. I do not
see any reasons why shouldn't are friends. Are you also a woman? I would like it more, do not ask me why.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 09:59pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#430 of 2088)

Yes, I am a woman. You would like what more?

[Kurd] - 10:00pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#431 of 2088)

Dear chat friends,

it is about 4am here and I am very tired. I hope to meet you all tomorrow again.

I wish you all a good night.

BTW, Robbie, I think I have to apologize as well. See ya later.

[Kurd] - 10:02pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#432 of 2088)

Robbie,

Now I have really to explain. The net is full of more or lesser nice guys. It is difficult to meet women. Therefore I would enjoy it to
have a chat with you. That's all. Tomorrow, maybe? Have a good night again.

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:20pm Sep 24, 1999 EST (#433 of 2088)

Kurd...

Welcome to Pathfinder. Enjoy your conversations here.

If you'd like to check out the Rumpus Room (one of the social areas, as GW mentioned in his posts), it's located here. It's a nice place
to relax and get away from some of the more intense discussions that occur when we discuss politics.

Hheeerrrree liz-ard, lizzard, lizzard... [TacoBellDog] - 03:18am Sep 25, 1999 EST (#434 of 2088)

[sniff][sniff][sniff]

ahh-chooo...

Grrrrrrkurdrrrrrrrrrrr...

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 03:44am Sep 25, 1999 EST (#435 of 2088)

Good Dog.

Hheeerrrree liz-ard, lizzard, lizzard... [TacoBellDog] - 03:50am Sep 25, 1999 EST (#436 of 2088)

{{pant}{pant}{pant}}

[Kurd] - 05:52am Sep 25, 1999 EST (#437 of 2088)

Hi, Susan,

Nice to see you. I read some of your former posts here. Please, do not be offended if I am not able to remember... I read a lot of bios
yesterday and now I got confused... My main problem is that I pay for my online time for each minute I spend here on Net. I think
I'll change the provider soon... Ok, I want to visit the Rumpus Room. To be honest, I joined this venue with the idea to talk about
politics, since I found it among other political issues' discussion boards. I thought it would be nice to get know new people. And to
learn from them. As I notice now, the venue is also open for animals...

See you later, I guess the most of you is still sleeping. Ciao.

[Kurd] - 03:16pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#438 of 2088)

Are you all still sleeping?

No chat today?

Connecticut Amateur Wrestler [Al Bruhn] - 03:23pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#439 of 2088)

After 27 years as a public school teacher, I know the difference between good and bad, especially when it has to do with public
schools. Currently in my 28 year as a public school teacher, I know what a good public school is all about. In fact, I'm living it every
school day. And, I love it! A good public school is where everyone, and I mean everyone cares about one another. You might call it
"unconditional love" if I may use that expression from my Christian way of living. I never thought I'd witness the day, that I'd say
this about a good public school, but here it is on the internet in writing from a critic of American public schools in general.
Perhaps, it's God's plan for me to have a different perspective of what a good public school is all about, and for my sanity too. It's
desperately needed without a doubt having been subjected to what I refer to as "THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT" for too many years. Yes,
a bad public school can get a bad rap, but only if it's in the bad light! A bad public school doesn't happen overnight. It takes years to
happen, but there's many "signals" to indicate the development of a bad public school. The problem is when administration refuses
to do anything about it, then like a cancer, it spreads internally and only gets worse and worse until its death row conviction. On the
other hand, good public schools happen when there's a strong sense of belonging to an educational cause, and the results prove
positive which produces more of the same over and over in the good public school. Yes, strong administrative leadership within a
good public school setting in conjunction with a "pure positive" attitude and proactive parental and student involvement all
contribute to the positive results achieved from within a good public school. Ironically, the good public school I'm actively engaged
in has students from various socio-economic backgrounds. So, an affluent environment setting isn't the sole reason for my good
public school. It's the "inner soul" of God that creates the "plus mark" for my public school. And, the cohesive choice by all the
members of my current public school to work together to have a healthy plan of action for students and parents alike. Thank God
I'm out of the woods and devoid of that Blair Witch Project!

Now, for more on this educational topic, click here!

[Kurd] - 03:59pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#440 of 2088)

Al,

Thank you for the interesting view concerning the public school. I went to a public school, to a public university (in Europe, of
course) and I was very satisfied by the education I got.

But what about you?

BTW, God(s) has nothing to do with the educational system...

.....a & a ..... [surferchicklet] - 04:06pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#441 of 2088)

Where in Europe is it you are from, Kurd?
[Kurd] - 04:09pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#442 of 2088)

Surfer,

I posted a mail address here yesterday. For some personal reasons I do not want to answer this question publicily, sorry. Feel free to
write to my address, ok? See you later, I hope.

I see you are in touch with your inner monkey. [FAUFORDE] - 04:38pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#443 of 2088)

Hi, Kurd!

I signed off yesterday before I read your salutations, so I had to say "Hello".

You sound like an interesting person. I don't know if Pathfinder has any other Europeans, but there are a few American citizens
that live abroad, who post here.

Anyway, welcome to the Boards!

[Kurd] - 04:51pm Sep 25, 1999 EST (#444 of 2088)

Hello, Fauforde,

Thank you for your words!!!

It does not matter if I am the last of the Mohicans here....

It is quite interesting to chat with Americans, since I had never this chance. As I could see, there are a lot of sympathetic persons
there, even interested in soccer...

.....a & a ..... [surferchicklet] - 12:41pm Sep 26, 1999 EST (#445 of 2088)

Thanks for the offer, Kurd... But my time online is a bit limited right now...

Maybe when things settle down.

Hi Fauforde!

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 10:30am
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#446 of 2088)

A lot seems to be going on here, it's nice to see some life in this thread.

The state is not a metaphysical instance, it is the product of the will of its citizens.

Words I also deeply believe in.

GW: [G. Washington] - 10:45am Sep 27, 1999 EST (#447 of 2088)

Yo, kurd.

Did you happen to see the Manchester United-Southampton soccer match over the weekend? Those boys can play some football, eh?

I played goal yesterday in my over-30 league and managed not to injure myself (seriously). I'm not sure how that happened.

What's new in Europe?

[Kurd] - 11:13am Sep 27, 1999 EST (#448 of 2088)

Hi Smartie,

Nice to see you. So there are at least two people who believe in this little formula. I think there would be more democracy in the
world if all people became aware of this fact. Instead of this, many many people say: I can not help, the State forces me (us). This is a
big mistake. We have so many instruments in our hands: not only votations, but the possibility to set up groups of citizens,
syndicates, mobilization of the masses etc. Not to partecipate to the state politics is the first way to dictatorships.

In my opinion, democracy is not the dictatorship of the majority, as the name suggests, but the consent of all different groups of
citizens. This is the reason why I am used to say I am a Liberal. And when I add a Leftist, it means one who believes in this principle
of State as the union of all citizens and the solidarity among them. We have the duty to help the poor, to protect the weak ones, to
destroy monopols, no matter if state or private monopols. It is not right that a person who works hardly, a worker, does not earn
enough to feed his/her family, and a politician, a manager, an intrepreneur earns for lesser work much more than he/she could
ever eat in his/her life. The politician lives thanks our tax money, the manager and the entrepreneur become rich exploiting the
working class. I know very well, the term "working class" recalls Marx & Co. But did ever one of the critics of his theories think
about the fact, that he wrote his "Capital" based on the situation of the English workers at his time? While the bosses became richer
and richer, the workers did even not get paid for their work. One does not need to be a Communist to recognize the injustice of the
various systems in the world. The boundless capitalism can only exist when there are people enough to exploit.

Participating to the rule of the State can be the chance to smash injustices. Solidarity is a way to this aim. Each human being is
worth to be helped. Help and goodness are like a ring: they always come back to the one who started practicising them.

I am not a naive idealist. I got a lot of help from my own State when I was very sick and I was poor. I would be dead without the help
of all citizens of my country, who pay for a well working Health Care system. And now it is my turn to pay back for the common
solidarity. We do not only work to full our stomach. We work for our society, for our brothers and sisters. It can happen to each of us
to come in a difficult situation. Only with the help of all citizens together are we able to make the world better.

I am the State. We are the State. All over the world.

[Kurd] - 11:19am Sep 27, 1999 EST (#449 of 2088)

Hi, George,

I am happy to see you here! And that you did not get hurted. I could not watch the match on TV because I had to work and I am
having troubles at home.

There is not news from Europe, despite of the fact we'll have elections in my country next week. There is a dangerous rightist party
which is supposed to be the great winner of the votation. Do not forget this: rightist parties here mean not only conservativism, but
fascism. I'll do my duty and I'll go to vote for international solidarity.

Hope to see you again today!

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 11:26am
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#450 of 2088)

Kurd,

I agree that we are the state in a democratic society. I also believe that we have an obligation to help those in need. But I feel that
the best assistance is a hand up, not a hand out. It is very dificult to determine how mush aid should be given, since once benefits
become comfortable, the incentive to work lessens.

In a capitalist economy, The role of government should be as noninvasive as possible, and I feel that the US must trim as much of the
fat as it is able to.

The biggest problem between groups in America is not whether we should trim, but where. That is where most of the battles rage.

[Kurd] - 12:23pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#451 of 2088)

Smartalix,

What is the role of the government? Surely not only to decide which war has to be supported, which dictatorship protected. We
think differently in those matters. I forgot, perhaps, to mention, that one of our duties as citizens is the control of the State. We have
laws. In the most European countries it is possible to intervene directly to support or abolish certain laws. If the government, which
is nothing else than the State, has to be noninvasive, well, then let us be all anarchists. Let a Bill Gates be the richest man in the
world and let us Blacks starving inh their ghettos. Oh, why to help? Why to give them education? Why gratis schools for all
children, why gratis health care for all citizens? The ones who aren't smart enough can die in their edge... Is this the quintessence
of capitalism?

Believe me, we Europeans are productive people, we do not starve because we help our citizens. And we do control very efficiently
who really needs help and who doesn't. We try not to give Mc Jobs to the people, but work through which a family can survive. We
have, maybe a lesser powerful army, but we are not ambitious enough to intervene in all possible conflicts. And we do no fly to the
moon, since there are just stones on it.

As for assistance, what about a worker who paid for years his taxes, then he loses his work, maybe because the company wants to
spare money or rationalize? We help him/her with the same money he/she paid for such a eventuality.

What if your daughter or son (I pray to God it will never happen) would need a dialysis? I was on dialysis for 12 years! After 5 years I
got my first kidney that worked for 4 years, then I had to make dialysis again. 2 years ago I got the second kidney, after 7 years
dialysis. Well, why this? Am I a parasite? In a certain context, yes, I did not work, and my treatment was very expensive. But I had
never to pay a cent for it. Now I want to work and to pay for other people in that situation or in other situation. Each poor rat on the
street can be brought in a hospital even if he/she has not a insurance. First we help, then we think about money. This is our society.
We believe in solidarity, in sharing what we have. Of course even our system is not perfect, but we should be satisfied by it, anyway.
In front of the law, we are all equal, we have all the same rights. Therefore are schools and universities gratis, at least in many
European countries, or not too expensive, so that we do not create elites, but we give to all people the same chances.

What is wrong in this? If I was a citizen of the USA I would have been sentenced to death, when I was 18 years old, because my
parents would never have the money to pay my treatments.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 12:31pm
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#452 of 2088)

I said that government should be as noninvasive as possible. What areas the government needs to act in is the subject of much
debate, and covered in various ways by most of the threads on this board.

I think that if you provide a good education to as many of your citizenry as possible, you will need fewer dollars for welfare. I feel
that if we provide cost-effective health care, we will reap the benefits of a healthy society. If we raise our children with
open-mindedness, we reduce intolerance. Many of the problems we face in society can be dealt with by focusing on the source of
the problem, and not the symptoms.

[Kurd] - 12:37pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#453 of 2088)

well said, Smartie,

but please, tell me, with which instrument, if not the state, the government, should these aims be reached?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 12:41pm
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#454 of 2088)

The community, the city, the state, and the federal government, in that order.

We definitely need some federal control over cerain aspects of our society, but the state is not a seperate entity, as you point out.
America is its people, and they must act themselves, as well as requiring the government to act.

Sind Sie Deutche?

[Kurd] - 12:44pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#455 of 2088)

Nein, ich bin nicht Deutsche!

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 12:49pm
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#456 of 2088)

Nur eine vermutung.
[Kurd] - 12:50pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#457 of 2088)

BTW, if you say: America, this doesn't mean the USA!!! America is continent with many different countries!

[Kurd] - 12:52pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#458 of 2088)

Kannst Du wirklich Deutsch sprechen und schreiben?

Ich kann dir sagen, meine Mutter war eine Deutsche. Ich bin es nicht.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 12:54pm
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#459 of 2088)

I meant the USA.

Ich hat in Deutchland fur mehrere jahre gelebt. Ich bin New Yorker Geboren, und jetz lebe ich wieder hier. Ich kann sprechen
vielle besser als ich scribe.

[Kurd] - 01:00pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#460 of 2088)

Ich weiss, es ist eine sehr schwierige Sprache.

Ich hoffe, dass die andere Teilnehmer nicht beleidigt sind!

[Kurd] - 01:05pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#461 of 2088)

What did you do in Germany?

I was there some times and I do not like the country. But the system is not that bad.

Ich bedauere, dass ich Dir nicht den Name meines Landes nennen kann. Ich nehme auch an andere Diskussionen teil und es gibt
manche Leute, die es gerne wissen moechten, woher ich komme und wo ich lebe. Es hat nichts mit Dir oder den anderen Teilnehmer
dieser Diskussion zu tun, Vielmehr mit meine Unterstuetzung der Kurden.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 01:15pm
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#462 of 2088)

I went with the Military when I was 19 (I joined the Army at 17), and enjoyed the Beer, the Driving, and the Women (no offense
meant) so much I stayed for 17 years. I mostly sold stuff to the American (USA) GI's there. I got into advertising sales, then fell in
love with publishing. I am now a magazine editor.

[Kurd] - 01:33pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#463 of 2088)

And I am an unemployed journalist...

We do study it as an academic faculty called Science of Communication.

I never published anything. I think nobody gives a rat to read what I have to say. I am rather an essayist than a reporter. My
themes: ME politics, sciences and philosophy (I also studied that stuff at the University).

German women? They have a$$es like horses ;-)))

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 01:37pm
Sep 27, 1999 EST (#464 of 2088)

Depends on where you go there...

I must admit I think Dutch women are the prettiest. It must be all that cheese and bike riding that give them those great legs...

[Kurd] - 01:54pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#465 of 2088)

My city is well known for nice gals...

But I am mixed...

[Kurd] - 01:55pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#466 of 2088)

BTW, Smarties,

we are talking about women... I am a woman! And much more interested in nice guys...

Susan [sjscruby] - 03:12pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#467 of 2088)

I don't blame you, Kurd---so am I. ;)

[Kurd] - 03:17pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#468 of 2088)

Hello, Susan!

To be honest, I did not understand your message very well. Are you meaning, perhaps, you are also rather interested in talking
about guys than women?

This would be natural....

Susan [sjscruby] - 03:32pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#469 of 2088)

LOL--yes, that's what I meant. ;)

[Kurd] - 03:44pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#470 of 2088)

What is rather your type, Susan?

I prefer the dark type and I do not like machos...

[Kurd] - 03:47pm Sep 27, 1999 EST (#471 of 2088)

...and I see they retired now :-)))

Make place for the women!!!

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 09:52am Sep 29, 1999 EST (#472 of 2088)

Make place for the women!!!

Checking ceiling paint????????? LOL

[Kurd] - 10:42am Sep 29, 1999 EST (#473 of 2088)

Freeindividual,

Hallooooo!

I missed you!

I'll be here again a little bit later.

[Kurd] - 12:57pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#474 of 2088)

Good evening, freeindividual, Susan, George, Smartalix, Hoeker (disappeared...), and all other american friends

from old Europe!!!

Well, checking ceiling paints.... well, if you are in Rome in the Cappella Sistina (Vatican City), it would make a lot of sense,
contemplating the marvellous painting of the great Michelangelo Buonarroti.... Ok, ok, the most of you are thinking of a dish pasta...
No, he was an artist in the Renaissance.

And if you are checking the wonderful ceiling above us all, the greatness of the universe, the stars, the planets, with or without a
telescope, do not you come to think how little, how unimportant we humans are, in front of the cosmos? We, who think to be the
middle of the universe.... just little atoms somewhere in one of millions of galaxis...

No, people, we are not important for the universe, we are just a product, even just a byproduct of it... We would lose a little bit of our
human arrogance if we would spend longer times checking the ceiling...

Think about this: we are the hell and we are the paradise. We are all for ourselves and nothing for the universe. This is not a
religious thought, it is just a way to find back to a reality that is nothing else than the world we are building, day after day...

Checking the ceiling could be the great chance to find back to our nature, to pause for a moment and to take a deep breath: do you
feel yourself now?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 01:10pm
Sep 29, 1999 EST (#475 of 2088)

Speaking of the ceiling of the heavens, have you seen the latest photos from the Chandra satellite?

Ring of Power

[Kurd] - 01:34pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#476 of 2088)

Smartalix, Hello!

Thank you for the wonderful picture! Yes, it is wonderful. Nature is the best expression of beauty.

I hope the other participants will also give a look to the picture.

Are you a fan of astronomy, too?


.....a & a .....12 [surferchicklet] - 01:51pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#477 of 2088)

Cool, Alix...

Thanks for the link...

[Kurd] - 02:03pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#478 of 2088)

...was I right with "contempling the ceiling"?

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 02:11pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#479 of 2088)

smartalix

That link ain't lookin' at the ceiling, that IS the ceiling! LOL

Great photos..........

[Kurd] - 02:17pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#480 of 2088)

... and we, even the "dumb females", are also looking at THAT ceiling... Capito????

.....a & a .....12 [surferchicklet] - 02:21pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#481 of 2088)

"Dumb females?" Where? Not many of those on this board...

Can't say I see the ceiling much, free... would have to get someone to discribe it, assuming I were interested....

[Kurd] - 02:37pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#482 of 2088)

Surfer,

It was just an answer to freeman. Of course there are no "dumb females" here.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 03:11pm
Sep 29, 1999 EST (#483 of 2088)

Hi, Chicklet! haven't seen you around lately! How's things?

I love astronomy, although living in NYC keeps me from doing it much. I have a 4 1/2-inch Meade reflector I haul out once in a
while for planetary viewing, or stars if I want to drive out of the city on a camping weekend.

.....a & a .....12 [surferchicklet] - 05:55pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#484 of 2088)

Hi Alix!!

I have emailed.... check it? I haven't been on as much, trying to get things done for moving... Getting close.. You guys have plans for
Thanksgiving?*s*

The Chicklita loved the star site... we gaze a bit here, but don't have a scope... I used to be real into the astrology thing, and know
some... she wants to learn more...

Good to *see* you...

[Kurd] - 08:31pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#485 of 2088)

Surfer,

Either you are an ignorant, or you do not know the difference between astrology and astonomy...

I have nothing to learn from you, be sure....

But if you really want, I can explain you the big difference between science and superstition... I doubt you are able to recognize it ....
Or, please, do not argue about think you do not know. Do not call me names I do not stand.

[BillCostley] - 09:49pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#486 of 2088)

Where do you live?

Wellesley [Square] MA

What do you do for a living?

Writer, currently in a small PR agency here: http://www.parnold.com

Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Divorced; w/s/o Carolin since '79; son: Alex; d@ughter: Maya, both 34.

What's your political affiliation?

independent f@r left

What's your philosophy of politics?

tot@l mutu@l @id

What do you do for fun?

Write; cook; swim; listen to music; w@tch c@bleTV; prefer@bly in nCA (St@.Cl@r@/Cruz Cty)

What are your interests?

{see@bove}

Who do you admire most in politics?

B@kunin; Kropotkin

Who do you admire least?

@diHitler & seqq.~>[{P@T}]

What's your religion?

ex-R.C.

What's your philosophy of life?

tot@l mutu@l @id

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

B@kunin, Kropotkin, K@rl M@rx

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

[{P@T}]

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 11:20pm Sep 29, 1999 EST (#487 of 2088)

It was just an answer to freeman. Of course there are no "dumb females" here.

Just asked a question in fun, damn sure wasn't inferring there were any "dumb females" here. Fact is, haven't seen any indication
there were ANY that didn't have all their groceries in the cart.

Well, maybe one.............

[BillCostley] - 07:31am Sep 30, 1999 EST (#488 of 2088)

Kurd, Although I've just now used 'jacksh!t' (in another thread about msRudy/NYC), I have no idea of its actual aMrkn origins, other
than (possibly) jack-rabbits; it usually means: [none.] As for Bakunin, his name ought 2B bought up more often as an
antidote2hardline absolutists; as should Kropotkin's, so I did, here, although who both were is quite lost on most Pathfinder
participants. yrsT, - Bill (Kulik) Costley http://www.gis.net/~sunset/bill.html

[Kurd] - 09:42am Sep 30, 1999 EST (#489 of 2088)

Dear Bill,

I have a very poor education in English language, sorry, it is quite difficult to me to understand some sentences... Just plain
English...

I got the impression you are not in the USA (from the time you use to write).

If you are interested in some discussions about Bakunin, I can give my mail address to you, the one I posted here before. It is:

margotnovak@hotmail.com

I would like to better know of which or whose absolutists you were talking here. I do not believe, though, that many participants
here really know the main European political theories, since they are used to see politics as a two-parties-system, so that it is not
really necessary to know a lot, the main thing is that the candidate(s) can smile lovely and support the death penalty... :-((( Yes, this
is a kind of absolutism. I am sure you know why Bakunin did not support the idea of Leninism... Let us talk about this issue, if you
want it.

.....a & a .....12 [surferchicklet] - 10:19am Sep 30, 1999 EST (#490 of 2088)

np, free...

How's it going?

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 11:01am Sep 30, 1999 EST (#491 of 2088)

surferchicklet

np, free...

How's it going?

Without, some things never change. LOL

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 11:05am
Sep 30, 1999 EST (#492 of 2088)

Kurd,

Is calling someone ignorant any way to behave? I understood what SurferChicklet meant.

[Kurd] - 11:39am Sep 30, 1999 EST (#493 of 2088)

Dear Sirs Smartalix, freeindividual and Surferchicklet,

I apologize.

It may be more than possible that I misunderstood the messages as a messing me up. Sorry, if this was the case. Ok?

Can we be friends again?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 12:06pm
Sep 30, 1999 EST (#494 of 2088)

No sweat. My pleasure.

[Kurd] - 12:46pm Sep 30, 1999 EST (#495 of 2088)

Little bit hard to sweat in Autumn, uh?

The pleasure is all mine.

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 04:57pm Sep 30, 1999 EST (#496 of 2088)

Thanks Alix.

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 07:28pm Sep 30, 1999 EST (#497 of 2088)

No problem here. Leastways that's what I keep telling the shrinks. They're everywhere, in the walls even, but I'm alright 'cause I
can see'em. Found one in the oven once, checking ingredients in my biscuits. LOL

[BillCostley] - 09:04pm Sep 30, 1999 EST (#498 of 2088)

Kurd, Although I've just now used 'jacksh!t' (in another thread about msRudy/NYC), I have no idea of its actual aMrkn origins, other
than (possibly) jack-rabbits; it usually means: [none.] As for Bakunin, his name ought 2B bought up more often as an
antidote2hardline absolutists; as should Kropotkin's, so I did, here, although who both were is quite lost on most Pathfinder
participants. yrsT, - Bill (Kulik) Costley http://www.gis.net/~sunset/bill.html

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 09:11pm Sep 30, 1999 EST (#499 of 2088)

Bill, didn't you post that very same thing about 90 minutes ago?

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 01:11am Oct 1, 1999 EST (#500 of 2088)

yup, MsR...

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 01:18am Oct 1, 1999 EST (#501 of 2088)

Al Who? Al Zheimer's? Good friend of mine. *G*

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 01:42am Oct 1, 1999 EST (#502 of 2088)

LOL okey, dokey then...*S*

[Kurd] - 04:57am Oct 1, 1999 EST (#503 of 2088)

A few words about Bakunin.

The heritage of the French Revolution were the ideas of Socialism and Nationalism. From these principles various ideologies were
born. Among them the Communism and the Nationalism as we know it even in our century. Bakunin was a critic of the Communist
movement. He gave a lot of reason to mistrust this new way of the Russian society. I'll try to translate a little part of his ideas, a
quintessence.

"We are the natural enemies of these revolutionnaires - future dictators, regulators and deciders of the Revolution - who, even
before the monarchist, aristocratic and bourgeoise States have been destroyed, are dreaming the establishment of new
revolutionnaire States which also will be centralized and despotic like the current states. They are accustomed to any from above
ordered authority and they are afraid of what they consider as disorder and what is the natural expression of people's life, so that
they - long before the revolution has been started - even before its own end are thinking of the influence of a revolutionnaire
authority which would be nothing else than a new reaction which, due to by order decrees ruled masses of people, would be a new
obedience, immobility, a death penalty, to say, slavery and exploitation through an almost revolutionnaire aristocracy"

This criticism took place in the time Russia was about to get rid of the Tzarism in favour of the new communist movement. Bakunin
was not wrong. The only problen, though, is given by the lack of place and, so I think, interested audience open for a deeper
discussion of the historical and politican developments of the national States in Europe.

[Kurd] - 03:03pm Oct 1, 1999 EST (#504 of 2088)

Hi, pals,

I know, Bakunin was a little bit tto much...

Is there anybody there today?

Are you all ok?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 04:31pm
Oct 1, 1999 EST (#505 of 2088)

Busy a little today, I actually have to do some work...

[Kurd] - 06:24am Oct 2, 1999 EST (#506 of 2088)

... studying Bakunin, Smartie?

BTW, nice to see you again, I felt a little bit alone here yesterday...

[Kurd] - 11:13am Oct 2, 1999 EST (#507 of 2088)

Did anybody look at the link of Bill Costley?

I did not get any information, the site could not be opened.

It is a sunny and windy day today here. A little bit fresh. And nobody to chat... even not a little bit soccer, politics, astronomy,
philosophy? Nothing?

Saturday is a dead day, the same is sunday. To be honest, I hate weekends, all stores are closed, people go to their families or to parties
(I do not like parties) and even the Internet becomes a strange desert...

It could be a day for love. But only for people who have somebody to love. A day for drinks...hmmm, yes, a better idea. I have a
chardonnay in my freezer... I'll speak a prosit, skol, shlonte, cin cin etc. to your all.

Babbage-N-GIN: Who is Richard Stallman? [TuringMachine] - 11:23am Oct 2, 1999 EST (#508 of 2088)

It would be useful to have one more button, rather than thread, for personal intrudction. I have doen this chor many times and this
gets boring.

Yet again,

I am a scientist.

I am a resident of Texas.

I have never voted in a primary.

Generally, if there is no compelling reason, I vote against an incumbant.

"Truth shall make you free" is my motto.

Beyond that there is not much you need to know.

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 12:21pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#509 of 2088)

Hi Turning Machine.. Welcome.

Alix.. me too... It's down to the push, actually.. will be on PF little for a while... I'll let you know what's up.

Have a good weekend all...

[Kurd] - 12:45pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#510 of 2088)

welcome, Turingmachine,

Your motto "truth shall make you free" is wonderful and meaningful.

But claiming to be a scientist, you should know how difficult it is to determine the truth.

It is well-known, that scientists so work with theories and hypotheses (and other "tools") in order to give a definition of the reality.
Nevertheless, truth remains a very personal matter. For some people God(s) are the truth, for others, to them I belong, there is an
objective reality which I think is not discutable, it is equal for all. A scientist examines right this reality, and we can call it true,
invariable for all livings. There is also a kind of "reality" given by rationalism, this one is not objective but subjective. To these
belongs the religion, the Weltanschauung, the ideology etc. I am a positivist, I think the truth can be found in the "positive",
material world. Yes, I agree, this world is true and free.

Free of moral, ethics and subjectivity. It makes free, indeed.

I hope I could explain my thoughts, anyway. I am a philosopher, but I directed my study to "theory of science", the metadiscours
about science. Thank you for your intervention.

Bye, Surfer, see you next week, I hope.

Celebrating nothing...you feel A-OK... [hoeker] - 05:06pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#511 of 2088)

kurd...

Sorry that I have not been more interactive on this thread since I first greeted you a while ago. I've read most of the posts on this
thread, and I have found you to be a most interesting individual. I noticed that you mentioned astronomy. I love astronomy, and I
have never felt more in awe than when gazing at the night sky and trying to gauge the magnitude of it all. I can look to the west in
the mid evening and see Pegasus, Andromeda and the Andromeda Galaxy (it's very dark here, very little ambient light). To be able to
see with the naked eye an object that's outside of our own galaxy is fascinating to me.

[Kurd] - 08:38pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#512 of 2088)

Hi, Hoeker,

Nice to see you. A pity I live in a city and I can not see a lot of the sky than the usual Orion etc. I do not own a telescope. I studied
Astronomy for a semester and once I wrote a report about the observatory of our university. Giving a glance at the sky does me let
feel borderlessness and eternity, without regard to any religion. Nature is wonderful and beautiful. It is a human instinct to feel
nature as beautiful, because something deep inside us knows that we belong to her. Artists can only give a poor reproduction of the
greatness of the nature. I ask to myself: why so much beauty? Once I read these words: Humans have a self-consciousness because
the nature needs someone who thinks about her, who admire her. Maybe it is right.

A pity, dear friend, not to have met you on another by us known place.... Maybe later?

[La Lil'One] - 10:36pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#513 of 2088)

The mysterious Kurd. I did something that I rarly do, read back into the posts, mesermized by the exchange (and Kurds' command of
German and knowlege of anarchism...the reference to "mutual aid"..who even knows the book or author in the USA?).

Kurd posts: "We had a similar story in my country. The President finally married the woman. Now she is our First Lady." Now if I was
up on European politics (and gossip) I could figure out where Kurd is from (and, in fact, I dimly recal reading about something like
this but dont recall the country).

Damn, where is Ferret Mike when you need him!

Babbage-N-GIN: Who is Richard Stallman? [TuringMachine] - 10:48pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#514 of 2088)

Kurd

Real truth is the "Holy Grail". But what matters is the attitude. Basically one should be ready to admit mistakes.

[La Lil'One] - 11:04pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#515 of 2088)

Is Kurd an umemployed journalist or a student of philosophy of science? Or both?

Also,Kurd on Germany:

"I was there some times and I do not like the country. But the system is not that bad."

Why dont you like the country, and what do you mean by "the system is not that bad"? From what I've read in the Economist the
German economy is running at 10% unemployement.

Hheeerrrree liz-ard, lizzard, lizzard... [TacoBellDog] - 11:26pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#516 of 2088)

{{sniff}{sniff}{sniff}}

Grrrrrrkurdrrrlizrrrrrrr

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[La Lil'One] - 12:01am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#517 of 2088)

OK, lets try this (like the regular posters dont know this already)

Where do you live? SW Ohio

oWhat do you do for a living? None of your buisiness

oMarried? Single? Gay? None of your buisiness

Have children? None of your buisiness

What's your political affiliation? Republican

oWhat's your philosophy of politics? Pragmatism

oWhat do you do for fun? Surf the net. Listen to music. Travel

What are your interests? o Industrial slumming, urban history and geography, gourmet dining, anglo/celtic folk and related music

Who do you admire most in politics? Richard Riordan, Richie Daley, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, George Voininvich and one of two
local politicians you've never heard of. I also lilked Willi Brandt and two Roosevelts.

Who do you admire least? Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer, Alan Keyes, Strom Thurmond, Dick Army, Bob Barr and the rest of those
reactionaries

oWhat's your religion? lapesed Catholic

oWhat's your philosophy of life? oI Service before Self.

f you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? it would be a handshake (im not touchy/feely): Ferret Mike (AKA Hobbb) for pathfinder, and John McCain for politics.

oIf you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? No
one...I dont get that mad.

oAnything else you'd like to add? No.

A friend's eye is a good mirror (Irish)......Libby [mbette] - 12:28am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#518 of 2088)

La Lil'One....I have assumed that you are a woman, but I'm not absolutely certain. Would you mind revealing your gender? :)

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 12:38am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#519 of 2088)

I'm guessing male..?

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 12:39am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#520 of 2088)

BTW...I like your handle, Libby...

A friend's eye is a good mirror (Irish)......Libby [mbette] - 12:46am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#521 of 2088)

Hi Chicklet...thanks. What does your handle mean, anyway (t,t,t)??

La Lil'One sounds like a female name, to me, but he/she does kind of "write" like a male. That's why I was wondering.

[La Lil'One] - 12:56am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#522 of 2088)

This is interesting. Whats the diff between male and female writing?

[McDuffy] - 01:00am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#523 of 2088)

Let's just wait and see which restroom La Lil' goes into.

A friend's eye is a good mirror (Irish)......Libby [mbette] - 01:58am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#524 of 2088)

The difference between male and female writing...well, let me see...

These are just my own observations, and there are always exceptions...

Men are usually very straight-forward with what they have to say. They more often tend to speak with "authority" (even when
they're wrong..lol). They are more often confrontational. They're less likely to pay attention to spelling errors.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head. They're generalizations, of course, and don't fit every individual.

I think that you are male. It's mostly an intuitive guess, more than anything.

So am I right?

[McDuffy] - 02:26am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#525 of 2088)

looks like he went into the men's bathroom

[Kurd] - 04:42am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#526 of 2088)

Tacobelldog,

I bet my last kurush you are either a Turk or a dog... Do not let me explain the difference....

[Kurd] - 04:45am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#527 of 2088)

LaLil'One,

Since you are sooo well informed, have the guts to call the name of my country... I do not mind. But you are just a pretender, no
more. C'mon, tell us, we all are waiting for you revealation

[Kurd] - 04:51am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#528 of 2088)

...BTW, pretender, we Europeans does not make up statistics by McJobs. And our unemployed people have a right of assistance and
support...

I am no more a student, I was one. Of both. Since you are a great expert for Europe, you should know that we can study various
matters at the same time getting, though, only a degree...

And a journalist can be a philosopher et viceversa (I guess you know latin.)

[Kurd] - 04:53am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#529 of 2088)

TuringMachine,

You are totally right and I agree. One can learn by mistakes.

The history of science is full of mistakes. But they were always useful as "supporting hypotheses", as we use to call them
(Hilfshypothese in my language)

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 08:51am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#530 of 2088)

Libby, The handle is a reminder to myself... I couldn't think of anything else I' rather look at (under 50 freakin characters...) each
time I posted...

And I agree... La Lil'One sounds male...

LOL... Good one McDuff..(the which bathroom thing...)

(btw..I see that rat dog is back...)

[Kurd] - 09:14am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#531 of 2088)

Surfer,

I also believe LaLil is a male, a sort of instinct... But a stupid one. I could not laugh, not for a moment, believe me. You all (besides the
Dog) are very nice men and women.

Libby, sorry, I said "hallo" to all people but I forgot you, or you weren't there when I came first. So I want to do it now: HALLOOOO!

I miss Susan and George...

Babbage-N-GIN: Who is Richard Stallman? [TuringMachine] - 09:19am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#532 of 2088)

kurd

There was this scientist Drude. He made a model of electric conductivity of metals. He made a factor of 2 mistake. But lo and behold,
experimentwise he was right on the money! Just not that; his theory did allow further advance of nature of conductivity. The
mistake was not found until Quantum Mechanics was invented and gave a better understanding.

[Kurd] - 09:46am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#533 of 2088)

Thank you for the interesting story, friend.

I do not know that Drude (but of course Babbage!), but I see the claims of the Theory of Science aren't wrong.

Also is said, that the truth of today is the mistake of tomorrow. But it is a way to come closer to certain facts. What would be science
without the work of many pioneers who were even not aware of their mistakes, but who believed in the work they were doing!

So ypur words are more important than ever: the most important thing is to recognize mistakes and to admit them. Think about this:
the great italian poet Dante Alighieri (not a scientist, but the author of the "Divina Commedia") claimed: to admit the own mistakes is
the first step to better oneself. It was rather meant in a religious sense, but it is valid even without spending a sole thought towards
any religions.

I am happy to have found you here. Go on writing your wise words. I look forward for them.

[La Lil'One] - 09:47am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#534 of 2088)

Male.

Kurd, I dont know the name of your country. As you said it has a president and is part of the EU it would be either Germany, France,
Austria, Italy, Portutgal, maybe Switzerland. I will eliminate Portugal and Italy as I think you mentioned you are not in the "south".
I'm not sure the Czech Republic and Slovenia have been admitted to the EU; if so they, too, have presidents. The only country in
Europe to have a president with actually political power (as opposed to being a mere head of state) would be France, and, I think, the
Czech Republic (although I think Havel may hold his power more by who he is rather than through a formal structure).

You are saying the Europe counts unemployment differently than the US and the benefits for the unempoyed are better.


[Kurd] - 10:56am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#535 of 2088)

La Lil,

Switzerland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic are not members of the EU.

I did not claim our President would have any very political power. Each country in Europe ahs a President.

I am mixed. I grew up in the South, but I am living in my country, in the heart of Europe.

The conditions of workers in the EU are similar in all member countries. I think I wrote about this issue before. It is not a sin not to
know a lot about Europe, I do not know a lot about the USA and their states in particular, just a kind of general knowledge.

I am a woman.

Hheeerrrree liz-ard, lizzard, lizzard... [TacoBellDog] - 11:18am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#536 of 2088)

Sorry, slang is not easy for me.

See ya later.

I read a lot of bios yesterday

To be honest, I joined this venue with the idea...
We try not to give Mc Jobs

Am I a parasite? In a certain context, yes,

But I had never to pay a cent for it

Hallooooo!

I have a very poor education in English language, sorry, it is quite difficult to me to understand some
sentences... Just plain English...

The only problen, though, is given by the lack of place and, so I think, interested audience open for a deeper discussion of the
historical and politican developments of the national States in Europe.

becomes a strange desert...

George, sorry, I do not chat very much around. I think I have some problems with your slang.

:-))) . :-((( BTW, To be honest,

German women? They have a$$es like horses ;-)))

"supporting hypotheses", as we use to call them (Hilfshypothese in my language)

Think about this: we are the hell and we are the paradise. We are all for ourselves and nothing for the universe. This is not a
religious thought, it is just a way to find back to a reality that is nothing else than the world we are building, day after day...

It does not matter if I am the last of the Mohicans here....

And I am an unemployed journalist...

And a journalist can be a philosopher et viceversa
I could not watch the match on TV because I had to work and I am having troubles at home.

I never published anything. I think nobody gives a rat to read what I have to say. I am rather an essayist than a reporter.
My themes: ME politics, sciences and philosophy (I also studied that stuff at the University).

yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap

Susan [sjscruby] - 11:26am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#537 of 2088)

Good morning to those in the USA---good day (or evening or night) to those elsewhere. ;)

[Kurd] - 11:49am Oct 3, 1999 EST (#538 of 2088)

Good evening, Susan! Nice to see you again!

It seems to me there is a kind of echo here... I was quite right, the Dog is a Turk, no doubt. For the American audience: The name
"Kurd" is a provocation for Turks (or for brainless animals, choose from).

BTW, as I said I had to work last week, yes, I worked. As waitress. My education, my knowledges, my interests have nothing to do with
the job I am sometimes forced to do in order to get some money. I never told lies.

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:11pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#539 of 2088)

I think, Kurd, that in too many cases, our interests, skills, education, etc., have little to do with what we have to do in order to live.
Sometimes we must just "get by."

[Kurd] - 12:27pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#540 of 2088)

Susan,

This is right. We use to judge people by their job. As journalist, as I said, I am unemployed. I only published in some university
newspapers and homepages. But I learnt the professional skills at the univ. where I studied. I am allowed to call myself a journalist
based on my degree. And Philosophy was my second faculty (we have to combine two or more of them in our system, we get the
degree just for one of them).

I am not ashamed at all to work as waitress, here and there. Nobody has to be ashamed for a honest work. I do serve my customers
with love and sympathy and I like the job. I started my study when I was 29 years old, so I am a beginner. I share the fate of a lot of
people who left the univ. and are forced to get any job. I am divorced, I did not want my ex to give me any money, since we have no
children. I do not know why I am telling you all these personal facts, but I think I sounded a little bit confusing....

BTW, I think the DOG falled in love with me, but he is too much coward to admit it. He loves my words ;-)


Susan [sjscruby] - 12:35pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#541 of 2088)

LOL, Kurd, it's difficult to know with the good old yappy dog. He/she seems to become obsessed sometimes.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:36pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#542 of 2088)

Personally, I think Kurd is an American and has done an outstanding job of fooling most of us.

[Kurd] - 12:47pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#543 of 2088)

Ms Robbie,

I am not an American. Maybe you are not one, since you would have recognized my mistake in the writing. But you can try me
asking me something about Europe.

I do not need to foolish you, you are not so interesting as you may think of yourself. And I do not give a damn what you think or not.
I am an European and proud of it, even though this does not mean I want to underestimate any other peoples or countries.

Susan [sjscruby] - 01:24pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#544 of 2088)

I'm willing to accept that people (or dogs *gg*) are what they say they are.

[Kurd] - 01:27pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#545 of 2088)

LOL.... Susan,

wise words!!!

A friend's eye is a good mirror (Irish)......Libby [mbette] - 02:04pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#546 of 2088)

Male.

Aha! :)

Thanks, La Lil'One.

HALLO Kurd...and welcome to the board. So, are you going to tell us what country you're in and a little bit about it? (Or maybe I
missed it - I haven't read all the posts)

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 02:06pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#547 of 2088)

TacoBellDog] - 11:26pm Oct 2, 1999 EST (#526 of 555)

{{sniff}{sniff}{sniff}}

Grrrrrrkurdrrrlizrrrrrrr

yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap

You fergot the "Grey Poupon!"

Find out which door yet McDuff? *G*

A friend's eye is a good mirror (Irish)......Libby [mbette] - 02:13pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#548 of 2088)

Yeah Free...La Lil'One said he is male.

[Kurd] - 02:17pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#549 of 2088)

Sorry, Libby,

I have some reason not to mention the name of my country. I am engaged in other discussions out of here and I want to sleep quietly
in the night... You have to know, that the engagement for the Kurdish people can be dangerous. I hope you can accept my excuses.
There is just a person here who knows... due to a mail communication.

Freeind.,

please, could you explain to me the meaning of "Grey Poupon"? I did not find anything in my dictionary about it. Thank you.

Happy to still be free today, tomorrow???? [freeindividual] - 02:19pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#550 of 2088)

"Grey Poupon"?

Pretty good mustard. *G*

Susan [sjscruby] - 02:20pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#551 of 2088)

Yep---good mustard. ;)

[Kurd] - 02:30pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#552 of 2088)

Thank you, friends.

[Kurd] - 02:46pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#553 of 2088)

MsRobbie believes I am an american. Hmmm...

But then, for God's sake, why can't I understand the matter of grey mustard concerning the DOG?

And mustard has exactly the colour Freeindividual chose to write the word. And it is not grey.

Am I missing any funny joke? Damn language...

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 03:27pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#554 of 2088)

Well, ladies.. looks as if we called it right on La Lil'One..*S*

Thanks, LLO...

Grey Poupon, free? the Dog isn't a weiner dog is it? *G*G*

(sorry RM)

[La Lil'One] - 05:09pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#555 of 2088)

Kurd says: "Each country in Europe ahs a President"

Maybe its a terminology issue, or english language problem (the meaning of "president").... ....but are not the Benelux countries and
most of Scandanavia, and Spain monarchies? In other words they have a king or queen (or a grand duke, in one case) as head of
state, with the government actually run by a prime minister.

[Kurd] - 05:40pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#556 of 2088)

LLO, yes, you are right, I forgot.

I do not live in a monarchy.

[Kurd] - 07:01pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#557 of 2088)

Little boring, tonite, uh?

No news? not a little joke?

[La Lil'One] - 07:20pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#558 of 2088)

Kurd, dont really care where you live, but Im glad your here. I look forward to the European perspective on things. I used to have
close ties to Germany. The germans are having hard times now becuase they have a great welfare state, but its hurting their
economy.

I think their health care plan was pretty good..my grandfather, a retired roofer, had lung problems and they sent him to a spa in
the Bavarian Alps for treatement (Bad Tolz). I can see why the Germans dont want to give this up.

[La Lil'One] - 07:22pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#559 of 2088)

The Germans Ive talked to do take a different view on things. I recall a freind telling me that it seemed "unsocial" that i "earned"
sick time on my job. He said the american approach to job security was "hire and fire" (he said it in english, so it sounded kind of
funny.

[Kurd] - 07:36pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#560 of 2088)

LLO,

I am not German, I think I told you this. But I approve their health care system, it is like in my country. It is not really important
how economy and capital prosper, the welfare of our people is much more important.

I want to give a hint to you: there was election in my country today. A right-wing party got a lot of votes. Whyß because they
promised money to all families in country, but this project is impossible. Our state support families, but it is not able to give so much
the right-wing party promised. This party did not speak about increasing the economy, but enlarging the social aid. This was just
sugar to code the electors and the stupids believed it.

Within Europe germany is the country with (so I think) strongest economical position. Due the re-union with the DDR it got a lot of
new problems, no doubt Germany will overcome them.

Not only the number of the unemployed people is an indicator for living standards, do please not forget this. The situation can
change from time to time. The living standard in Germany and many other European countries is very good. I would never wish to
live in a social-darwinist country like the USA (survival of the fittiest...).

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 08:32pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#561 of 2088)

Interesting paper

You might, as a philospher and a non-fan of evolution enjoy this paper then, Kurd.

BTW... Out of curiosity I searched the word "hilfshypothese"... and got this reply... "Hai cercato "hilfshypothese" nel web."

[Kurd] - 08:39pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#562 of 2088)

"Hai cercato Hilfshypothese nel web" means: You looked for Hilfhypothese in web. It is italian. Thank you.

[Kurd] - 08:41pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#563 of 2088)

Dear Surfer, I had some whisky tonite, I'll check the link tomorrow, I promise.

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 08:51pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#564 of 2088)

I understand some Italian... Point being, I got no hits... actually the closest language was German... that's how I found the paper..
thanks...It is interesting...

[Kurd] - 09:01pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#565 of 2088)

Hilfshypothese is a difficult word from the scientific world. It is more thán difficult to find it here in Net.

They are Hypotheses who can help to construct a theory, even if they may be wrong. They are rather the way to the knowledge than
the knowledge itself.

I have an x-ray monitor..you women are all naked. [CooterBrown] - 09:16pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#566 of 2088)

I'm glad to see you here, Kurd. Please join us on some of the other threads.

[Kurd] - 09:19pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#567 of 2088)

Cooter Brown,

Tell me the names of the other threads.

Currently I am on "Searching of the elusive Dr. M" thread. The issues we handle there are nithing for this one. C'mon, hurry up,
come there. Lesser intellectual, more sensual...

[Kurd] - 09:20pm Oct 3, 1999 EST (#568 of 2088)

...BTW, I am not naked, but I would not be ashamed is i was...

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:33pm
Oct 4, 1999 EST (#569 of 2088)

Kurd,

I think you are from Austria. Just a guess. But the right-wing election thing makes me think Austria.

The Europeans have a saying that Austrians are more German than Germans.

[Kurd] - 08:02pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#570 of 2088)

Smartalix, the matter is very complicated.

The Austrians are not more German than the Germans, particulary not in the East of the country. A is a rather rural country, the
political consciousness is very little. We are a mix of all peoples who once formed the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. You can find
people of various background here. The party which won so many votes was able to promise things it will never be able to hold, this
is sure.

Be sure, friend, the other 70% of the Austrians will not allow the begin of any fascist era. The socialist party is still the strongest
party in the country.

We have an inflation of about 0% and an unemployment of about 4,3%. It is not bad at all. But soem people desired a change. they are
well-known as the losers in country.

[La Lil'One] - 08:14pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#571 of 2088)

Actually there are rural non-german minorities in Carinthia (Karnten) and in the Burgenland, i think (near Neusiedlersee). But
Wien is a remarkably cosmopolitan city. I recall there is a German pop star of the 50s and 60s called Peter Alexander that did a
collection of Wiener Lieder...using dialket humor. And of course those great pastries and coffee...Einspanner, Fiaker,
Kapuziner,Kaiserschmarrn, Sachertorte, usw.

[La Lil'One] - 08:16pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#572 of 2088)

I meant Peter Alexander was an Austrian who became a German pop star. I think he used to work for the Postamt before getting into
showbiz. Probably before your time.

[Kurd] - 09:30pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#573 of 2088)

LLO,

long before my time... I am still young and I do not listen such stuff, be sure.

Austrian is rather rural, yes, Vienna is mostly cosmopolitan.

But denying the rural mentality of the Austrians is wrong. I did not grow up here, fortunatelly...

Peter Alexander is puky and good enough for very old people.

BTW, I was not speaking of German-rural minorities. We do not call minorities the citizens of our country. What you are saying
about Sachertorte etc. are the usual clichees for tourists... We are not very interested in these things. I was never on a Fiaker and we
fight against the exploitation of the poor horses, which have to work for the stupid tourists. I hope we can forbid it soon. Austria ia
much more than folklore, believe me. You are doing the same as if I was considering the US Americans as a bunch of ignorant
cowboys, and this is not true, of course. Kaernten is a German region. Burgenlanf had strong ties to Hungarn, even the landscape is
very similar. You can not compare the both regions. Nevertheless, you show good knowledges, for a foreigner...

[La Lil'One] - 09:54pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#574 of 2088)

The area that has the slavic rural minority is the area of Karnten south of the Drau (or Drava) river, up in the Karawanken
mountains...I think these people are Slovenians.

So you must be living in Wien. Yes, I understand that the place has a real economy, but the historical memory of the Empire, and all
the leftovers, is really strong here. My knoweledge of Wien is mostly the architecure and urban planning (ich habe Architektur,
Stadtbau und Geographie ins Uni studieren, aber meine deutche is sehr schlech).

[Kurd] - 09:59pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#575 of 2088)

LLO,

You are right, I live in Wien. But I was not educated in Austria (fortunately).

Dein Deutsch ist sicher genauso gut oder schlecht wie mein Englisch. Ich schaeme mich nicht für meine Fehler, so schreib ruhig, Es
gibt einen anderen Teilnehmer hier, ich habe den Name vergessen, der Deutsch kann. Nur Mut. Ich bin sicher, Du weiss mehr über
Östereich als ich.

[La Lil'One] - 10:38pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#576 of 2088)

Kurd, Whats your opinion on whats happening in the Balkans?..particularly that Kosovo situation? It was quite controversial here
when we became involved.

I have an x-ray monitor..you women are all naked. [CooterBrown] - 10:48pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#577 of 2088)

Kurd, just try some out. We have some threads with international implications. Of course there is an international board, I believe.
I'd sure be interested in your perspective on what happened in the Balkans.

A friend's eye is a good mirror (Irish)......Libby [mbette] - 10:52pm Oct 4, 1999 EST (#578 of 2088)

Kurd, I'd be very interested in your opinion, as well.

[Kurd] - 09:25am Oct 5, 1999 EST (#579 of 2088)

LLO,

To be honest, I have no real opinion about Kosovo, sorry.

Libby, the same. I was too busy with the kurdish issue at that time and I am not very familiar with the Balcan's policy. Sorry, each of
us has a soft point...

[Kurd] - 09:27am Oct 5, 1999 EST (#580 of 2088)

Cooter,

If you would tell me the names of some of the threads I would like to visit them and to chat with you. I cannot check them all. OK?

[Kurd] - 10:28am Oct 5, 1999 EST (#581 of 2088)

Hi, friends,

I opened a new thread about politics.

The name is:

"Let's talk about Kurds and Kurdistan"

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 10:53am
Oct 5, 1999 EST (#582 of 2088)

I thought it was Austria...

I visited Austria many times in 1996-7 as Sales Manager for Clifford Electronics (car alarms). I loved Wien, and Salzburg was not too
shabby, itself. I was not saying that Austrians are more German, just that it is the stereotype. I do not subscribe to it.

[Kurd] - 08:47pm Oct 5, 1999 EST (#583 of 2088)

Smartalix,

I would like to have you as my guest next time you'll come. My mail address I published here not long ago.

Have you a ISQ?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 05:54am
Oct 6, 1999 EST (#584 of 2088)

I don't subscribe to any instant messengers, and I have no beeper or cellphone.

I'd be happy to drop by next time I'm in Austria, but I'm not sure when that will be.

I have an x-ray monitor..you women are all naked. [CooterBrown] - 07:12am Oct 6, 1999 EST (#585 of 2088)

I'll have to check that out, Kurd. I'm kind of behind on a lot of the threads right now. Work has kept me pretty busy. I've always
been interested in the Kurdish situation, but will admit to not being well informed on the subject. It sounds like a good opportunity
for me to learn something. :-)

[Kurd] - 07:34am Oct 6, 1999 EST (#586 of 2088)

Thank you, CooterBrown,

I can understand. I'll try to give more information about the matter there. You are invited to ask questions I'll be very glad to
answer on the Kurdish board.

t,t,t... [surferchicklet] - 08:28am Oct 6, 1999 EST (#587 of 2088)

Kurd.. I thought you said earlier that you weren't a Kurd?

[Kurd] - 10:56am Oct 6, 1999 EST (#588 of 2088)

Surfer,

Yes, do you not read this board? Meanwhile all people here know I am an Austrian. I never said that I was a Kurd, only that I am
engaged in the kurdish issue as human, as journalist and as interested person. I do not think this is wrong at all. Of course you are
also invited to give a look to my board.

[Kurd] - 10:58am Oct 6, 1999 EST (#589 of 2088)

Smartalix,

I meant, I posted my mail address once. You can pick it up a few pages before (or I post it again, if you really want) and try to come
in contact with me in case you will come to Austria (or Vienna) again. It would be a honour for me to be your host. I am telling this
very seriously.


[Kurd] - 11:40am Oct 8, 1999 EST (#590 of 2088)

People,

What happened to this board?

Is there anyone alive???

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 11:46am Oct 8, 1999 EST (#591 of 2088)

Well, Kurd, as others have tried to point out to you, this thread isn't for the purpose of holding discussions. This one is for the
purpose of making an introduction. There are other threads all over this board that contain lively discussions. You started one such
thread, and there are others all over the place. Why don't you give some of them a try?

[Kurd] - 12:58pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#592 of 2088)

MsRobbie,

Are you the host of this board? I do not think so. It is not up to you to decide the purposes of it.

You made your own introduction, then tell me, what are you still doing here?

~8~ [surferchicklet] - 01:06pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#593 of 2088)

Probably, the same as me... When it jumps to the top of the threads I look to see who might be new, and then is too polite to ignore a
direct question. And no... I don't always read the posts here.. usually the intros...Don't recall seeing you say you were in Austria... I
did see smartalix (Hi Alix) say he thought that's where you were.

You are concerned with the kurdish issues, as a journalist, but not Kosovo? Interesting.

2 times & it has rendered me punch drunk &w/o bail [Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 01:27pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#594 of 2088)

Where do you live? North Georgia
Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Married with a 25 month old & another due in January
What's your political affiliation? Disgusted GOP, looking for alternatives
What's your philosophy of politics? Mainly conservative
What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Sports, PC stuff, fitness & training
Who do you admire most in politics? JC Watts, Colin Powell Who do you admire
least? Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson
What's your religion? Christian
What's your philosophy of life? There was one?
If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be? Well, I'd start with Shania Twain
If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who
would it be? Bill Clinton
Anything else you'd like to add? Only more punches for Clinton



Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug [guy montag] - 01:31pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#595 of 2088)

YKY

I don't want to seem like one of the paranoid members of the "Black Helicopter Brigade" or anything, but you may want to
reconsider that post...

Just in case someone really is monitoring these boards, and I don't mean Dave...

2 times & it has rendered me punch drunk &w/o bail [Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 01:38pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#596 of 2088)

LOL!

Let me just add that it has nothing at all to do with his politics, guy (actually, a GOPer would be hard pressed to find a Dem Prez who'd
be closer with them legislatively).

Seriously.

It's completely because of his lack of any human decency whatsoever. He's scum. Pure and simple. It was, however, a close race
between him, Larry Flynt, Geraldo, Newt, Livingston, and Dennis Rodman.

But since he's prez, he deserves the kick in the ass a whole lot more.

What kind of "man" (being kind with the term) does that to his wife?

~8~ [surferchicklet] - 02:30pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#597 of 2088)

YKY...Hi...

~8~ [surferchicklet] - 02:32pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#598 of 2088)

and Congratulations!!

2 times & it has rendered me punch drunk &w/o bail [Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 02:34pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#599 of 2088)

Thanks chicklet!

I would say "it was nothing", but it WAS rather good, if I say so myself!!!!!

~8~ [surferchicklet] - 06:02pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#600 of 2088)

Practice makes perfect, eh, Yip?

2 times & it has rendered me punch drunk &w/o bail [Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 06:04pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#601 of 2088)

Well, that's what I keep telling my wife.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 07:37pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#602 of 2088)

Kurd: Are you the host of this board? I do not think so. It is not up to you to decide the purposes of it.

You made your own introduction, then tell me, what are you still doing here?

And you have a real nice day too, Kurd.

[Kurd] - 08:51pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#603 of 2088)

WOW!!!

MsRobbie, I am very impressed!!!

~8~ [surferchicklet] - 11:40pm Oct 8, 1999 EST (#604 of 2088)

I'm impressed by the wonderful grasp of Amrican slang you have, Kurd. It's harder to keep current with that than anything
really...

[McDuffy] - 03:06pm Oct 17, 1999 EST (#605 of 2088)

Dr. Lectur: {on the phone} I'm going to have an old friend for dinner...{drops phone and walks away}

Clarise: {in a whisper}

Dr. Lecter?

Dr. Lecter?

Dr. Lecter?

Dr. Lecter?

----------------------------------------------

AWESOME MOVIE!!!!!!!!

and welcome, Dr. Lecter
[McDuffy] - 03:06pm Oct 17, 1999 EST (#605 of 2088)

Dr. Lectur: {on the phone} I'm going to have an old friend for dinner...{drops phone and walks away}

Clarise: {in a whisper}

Dr. Lecter?

Dr. Lecter?

Dr. Lecter?

Dr. Lecter?

----------------------------------------------

AWESOME MOVIE!!!!!!!!

and welcome, Dr. Lecter

Susan [sjscruby] - 04:08pm Oct 17, 1999 EST (#606 of 2088)

Welcome Hnb Lecter. ;)

~8~ [surferchicklet] - 01:58am Oct 22, 1999 EST (#607 of 2088)

G* welcome Dr Lecter..

Ohhhh... Jesse go on and on, on & on & on & on [Rodge reincarnate] - 11:24am Oct 28, 1999 EST (#608 of 2088)

rescue of the day

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 12:18pm Nov 3, 1999 EST (#609 of 2088)

Where I am and what I do.

Politically I'm rebellious, big on free thought and free speech and freedom in general.

My philosophy is "if I don't like it, you won't see me doing it, eating it, buying it, using it etc..

Those who try to make me do things I don't want to do, usually end up paying the price, when I get my way totally, a price greater
than what they gained by irritating 'me'.

I can always 'think of something'.

Married, wouldn't mind if I wasn't.

1 daughter, senior in high school, turns 18 in 19 days.

She's been a great kid so far, its just about time to give her a 'lets see a little progress in the personal responsibility dept' talk.

She's never really done any household chores. Now she's starting to talk about wanting my financial help as well as other kinds of
help to get more schooling.

I never intended to do that, I would prefer to see her go to work and school both, handle it on her own but she but if she has to do
that she will probably not go to school, or so she says.

Anyway, if she wants me to help out with that, I better start seeing some signs of greater maturity, just getting grades isn't enough
IMO, ya' have to know what to do with the knowledge or its all meaningless.

Its not going to be 4 more years of school and totally unspoken for time. I refuse to play that.

I wouldn't mind buing/building/renting a trailor, loading up my tools and heading for some parts I've never been to, rural that is,
as rural as possible, sub-rural even.

Where the streets have no name, but yet electricity and phone service.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 12:21pm Nov 3, 1999 EST (#610 of 2088)

'gis.net'...thats funny, if you think of it as 'jizz.net', a condom or some such.

GW: [G. Washington] - 12:35pm Nov 3, 1999 EST (#611 of 2088)

kurd: I don't know what your problem with MsRobbie is, but she is correct.

This isn't a discussion thread. It's supposed to be a vehicle for people to introduce themselves.

I suggest you start a discussion thread of your own. Why don't you call it "The European Perspective" or something like that?

Time for peace [Kurd] - 01:19pm Nov 6, 1999 EST (#612 of 2088)

George,

I came back after a long time and I saw you talking to me. A surprise. Of course I retited. I just wanted to apologize for having
disturbed here through my being an European (I was told it was like a "red flag")

Further I apologize for being European. God had no mercy with me :-((((

THE MAD MACEDONIAN WRITES AGAIN! [sneakeasy] - 01:01pm Nov 16, 1999 EST (#613 of 2088)

I am a 39 yr. old single white male with a peculiar sense of humor, & who is a cat lover.

I live along the eastern fringe of L.A. County in California. I have 15 years in the book bus. & am a book store manager.

I am a registered Democrat, but philosophically I can be middle of the road. Depending on when "my time of the month" kicks in I
am either a Demopublican or a Republicrat.

I feel that while less government is good, government involvement is not satan's spawn. Religion & abortion should not be political
issues. America is not just a Christian nation anymore & the sooner the "too far to the right they are in danger of going over the
cliff" wing of the religious right/republican party understands that & moves on the better for all of us. Racial hatred & bigotry of
any kind has no place in the world.

While I don't go to any church, I consider myself a Christian in my own way. I do not appreciate the excessively evangelical branch
of christianity. There are many religions in the world, some with more of a history & more believers. Who are any of us to say that
our way is "the way, the truth, & the light"?

I am a video collector, & cinema book collector, I like political talk shows, talk radio (Rush, Art Bell, Stephanie Miller, Al Rantel,
Larry Elder, among others), bowling.

I am an avid bicyclist who rides to work, & for fun (20- 60 mile rides).

I admire Bill Bradley & John MCcain for talking up subjects that others wish to ignore. I admire Rush Limbaugh for his fearlessness
in expressing his beliefs & in allowing open dissent with those views to be aired by callers to his show.

I belive people should be allowed to be all they can be, especially in their working, & personal lives.

I have talked with & shaken the hands of James Earl Jones & Magic Johnson, & since John Wayne is dead, my 3rd choice would be to
talk with & shake the hand of Rush Limbaugh & tell him how much I appreciate his sense of humor.

I'd love to punch the radical trouble makers on both sides of the isle in both house of congress in the nose, & tell them to get their
asses in gear & learn to work together. I'd like to kick slick willie in the balls, & slap Hillary upside the head.

I think that's enough to stir things up for now...... J

[Bobbyc] - 01:41pm Nov 16, 1999 EST (#614 of 2088)



* Where do you live?
Central Florida


What do you do for a living?
Work in Manufacturing


Married? Single? Gay? Have children?
Married two children one deceased


What's your political affiliation?
Left leaning Republican


What's your philosophy of politics?
Opposed to Abortion / Euthanasia - Believe in supporting Family Values


What do you do for fun? What are your interests?
Post here - I am kind of an information junkie. I enjoy a good debate, but like to keep it centered on facts. Post a lot of links.


Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?
I believe Politics will determine the future of the nation. I believe money has replaced principle. Campaign Finance Reform should
be Issue #1.
McCain is right on that!


What's your religion?
Catholic


What's your philosophy of life?
If we have not made the world a better place to live, as the result of our passing threw, Then we have failed.


If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?
I like both Bradley and McCain


If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?
People with closed minds.


Anything else you'd like to add?


There is a certain inevitability to a couple of things. Death and taxes come to mind. However, death doesn't get worse every time the
legislators come together.


Republicans employ exterminators. Democrats step on bugs.


Pro is to con as progress is to Congress. J





[Bobbyc] - 01:59pm Nov 16, 1999 EST (#615 of 2088)

What ever happened to the link with everyone's pictures? Is that still active?

[Kay S] - 04:45pm Nov 16, 1999 EST (#616 of 2088)

Hi--I have been reading these boards for quite awhile- don't post much but really enjoy reading everyone's viewpoints. Anyway-- I
live in Eastern Washington-pretty much Republicanville. I own a used book store. Been married for almost 30 years, two girls, all
grown up and happily making their own way in the world. Almost always a Democrat as I am pretty liberal about most things--have
been known to vote for a Republican or two if I thought they were best for the job at hand. Philosophy of Politics--hmmmm. I think
Government was meant to serve the people but has gotten way too bloated in some areas--In an ideal world Congress would be a
public service thing and not a career--short service and low pay. President should mainly concern him(her)self with CIC duties and
foreign affairs- Government should totally butt out of personal areas such as religion, abortion, etc. For fun, I love the outdoors-
camping, hiking, animals,boating, birdwatching, no hunting though. I really don't admire politicians at all- they really should
have a regular life and only do politics part time- again for public service. Not a Christian, I am 50'ish still working on the religion
thing- Philosophy of life--live and let live- I try not to condemn anyone because of what they believe or how they live- racism and
bigotry of any kind are I think the basis for most evil done in the world, along with greed of course. Can't think of anyone who
inspires me so much that it would be a big deal to shake their hand- Would really like to slap Larry Klayman upside the head.

www.politics.com [Oregon_Jim] - 03:23am Nov 20, 1999 EST (#617 of 2088)

Eastern Washington?

That explains quite a bit.

[BillCostley] - 06:58am Nov 20, 1999 EST (#618 of 2088)

"@ Voice in the Night" (19NOV99) http://people.ne.mediaone.net/carolinc/today.html

Even a good thing isn't as good as nothing. (Zen) [surferchicklet] - 09:00am Dec 12, 1999 EST (#619 of 2088)

Bobbyc... Look for Duh's picture pages or Picture Emporium... both threads have links...

Hi guys, have fun...

[pollywog] - 09:13pm Dec 29, 1999 EST (#620 of 2088)

bumpity bump....

Snow [Snow Pea] - 09:30pm Dec 29, 1999 EST (#621 of 2088)

Hello, Polly my dear!

[pollywog] - 09:58pm Dec 29, 1999 EST (#622 of 2088)

Hey, Snow --

How are you doin'? Did you post pictures of your new kitten?

Snow [Snow Pea] - 10:09pm Dec 29, 1999 EST (#623 of 2088)

Not yet, Polly. But I will soon if I can get him to stay in one place for a microsecond. LOLOL

Sorry to hear that you have had ongoing trials in your life.

Here's hoping that the New Year brings better times for you.

Bin'nere, don'at, big mistake, prob'ly do it agin! [freeindividual] - 11:03pm Dec 29, 1999 EST (#624 of 2088)

Kay S

I have a long time friend living out on Klondike Rd. but her ol'man and I don't like each other. Nope, not the reason. *G*

Up around Quartz Mtn. is a great place for contemplation and I like the road/trail down the hill to Hwy 21, steep in places, but scenic.

Nice country.

Fran [franw] - 11:17pm Dec 29, 1999 EST (#625 of 2088)

Hi Snow Pea, when are you going to sent a Nor'easter with snow up my way?

[Kay S] - 12:45am Dec 30, 1999 EST (#626 of 2088)

Free Individual, I am not familiar with the places you mention. I live near Yakima and do most of my outdoor fun stuff up near
White or Chinook passes. Lots of woods, and lots of lakes up there. There's lots of other beautiful country in E. Washington, I just
don't usually have time enough to go too far from home.

OJ---huh?

[KT_9] - 09:43am Dec 30, 1999 EST (#627 of 2088)

Hi! I'm new and thought I would come by, introduce myself, and meet. I've been, what's the term? lurking? snooping?
eavesdropping? for awhile and decided to join in the fun that is Pathfinder. My name is Katie (K-T, get it?) and the 9 signifies that I
have 9 lives because I'm actually a cat, meoooow. I'm probable the first cat to post on Pathfinder (does that mean I will be Times Cat
of the Century?).

Where do you live? In a really tiny apartment. Don't know where it is. Don't get out much.

What do you do for a living? Sleep, eat, play

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Single, no children (that was taken care of, if you know what I mean)

What's your political affiliation? Demo-cat

What's your philosophy of politics? Support environmental caused (especially the protection of my feline cousins), personal choice
and freedom (even, yes, for dogs), oppose fur that is not on animals.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Sleep, eat, play

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? I am very impressed with Bill Bradley (does anyone know if he's a cat
person or dog person?). Would like to claw Dick Armey's eyes out.

What's your religion? I worship to the God of Sleep, Eat, and Play

What's your philosophy of life? Sleep, eat, play

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? The cat on Sabrina the Teenage Witch. He's cuuuuuute.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? Dick
Armey (see above)

Anything else you'd like to add? I hope to add a new perspective to the discussions here by adding a cat's point of view.

Time for my nap. . .

Meow.

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 09:48am Dec 30, 1999 EST (#628 of 2088)

KT-9 may be the first cat to post on Pathfinder, but don't forget that Star the Wonder Beagle announced her candidacy for the 2000
presidential race at the Rumpus Room in the winter of '97. I believe that made her the first four-pawed Pathfinder poster.

[KT_9] - 09:50am Dec 30, 1999 EST (#629 of 2088)

Beaten out by a dog again!

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 09:50am Dec 30, 1999 EST (#630 of 2088)

LOL! Welcome, KT. *G*

Bin'nere, don'at, big mistake, prob'ly do it agin! [freeindividual] - 02:51pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#631 of 2088)

Kay S

Sorry, I misread your post, I was thinking of Republic in Ferry County.

I'm familiar with the area and think Hwy 410 is one of the most scenic in the state, especially Tipsoo Lake, west of the summit of
Chinook Pass and just inside Mt.Rainier Nat'l Park. Like two separate countries divided by the Cascades, big differences. East side's
my favorite tho, don't rain 14 months outa the year.

get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute [RobNY34] -
03:03pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#632 of 2088)

K-T9,

you have instantly become one of my favorite pathfinder people.

welcome. :)

Pathfinder's Resident Kitty - Meooooow! [KT_9] - 04:57pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#633 of 2088)

Oh, Rob, that's so sweeeet. I'll let you pet me later. purrr-purrr.

[Nellsy] - 05:00pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#634 of 2088)

I'm new here too, but not so new as I've done similar things in the past. I'm 5 months pregnant with a little girl. I'm in my 30's, and I
have 2 other children. I'm of mixed origin and therefore support the plight of disadvantaged minorities in this country. My
pregancy has prevented me from doing a lot of that sort of work, but I shall be back to it shortly. Nothing can keep me away.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 05:08pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#635 of 2088)

Welcome, Nellsy!

[Nellsy] - 05:15pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#636 of 2088)

Thanks Snow Pea. I will try to enjoy myself for sure.

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 05:28pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#637 of 2088)

Welcome, Nellsy. Enjoy yourself!

[Nellsy] - 05:30pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#638 of 2088)

I will CooterBrown. Thanks. :)

get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute [RobNY34] -
05:36pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#639 of 2088)

welcome, Nellsy!

careful when you use words like "pregnant" areound here. There are some on here that find that word unaccpetable and only want
the word "expecting" or phraes like "a bun in the oven".

You know, those Ozzie and Harriet types who just can't seem to catch up with the rest of us.

[Nellsy] - 05:39pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#640 of 2088)

I suppose some people see being pregnant as a disbility. Well Pity on them, and thanks RobNY34!

[salmosalar] - 05:43pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#641 of 2088)

Pregnancy has been defined as a disability for purposes of employment leaves of absence.

[Nellsy] - 05:45pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#642 of 2088)

Pregnancy is covered under the ADA? I thought it just required a reasonable amount of time in a leave of absence, 3 months. I'm not
so sure if its defined as a disability.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 05:48pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#643 of 2088)

It's a "temporary disability caused by childbearing."

[Nellsy] - 06:13pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#644 of 2088)

But I thought it was separate from the ADA in terms of being covered by the ADA policies. I know its law to provide time off for
pregnancy and family leave, but I never read about it being an actual disabiliy - in the true definition covered by the ADA.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 06:25pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#645 of 2088)

Personally, I prefer "family way." So much nicer than "pregnant" and fits so much better with "family values." LOLOL

[Darby415] - 06:50pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#646 of 2088)

Darby415

1.Los Angeles CA

2.Actress (or more appropriately--wannabe actress)

3.single, bored, straight and looking for an extraordinarily fine dude!

4.NONE--looking for an extraordinarily fine alternative to both right and left--they are both over-loaded with fanatics and suck
equally!

5.See above

6.Party, party, party--also music, reading, playing RPG games,learning to use my computer, horseback-riding and I am very
interested in animals and their preservation.

7.None of them--7(b) all of them!

8.Not applicable

9.Live and let live and please DO NOT preach whatever you believe in AT me!

10.Sid Vicious

11.All zealots and fanatics on either side of a debate, and absolutely the anti-smoking Nazis!


[Nellsy] - 07:20pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#647 of 2088)

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Annoy the Republicans. Vote for McCain! [TuringMachine] - 07:24pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#648 of 2088)

Where do you live? ...Houston

What do you do for a living? ...Scientist

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? ...Married with two sons.

What's your political affiliation? ..None.

What's your philosophy of politics? ...Power currupts so distribute it as evenly as possible.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests?... Think. Everything.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?...Lincoln. Hitler.

What's your religion? ...Agnostic/Atheist.

What's your philosophy of life? ...Truth shall make you free.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? ...Anne Frank.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?...
None

Anything else you'd like to add? ...How many times I have to do this?

[Nellsy] - 07:26pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#649 of 2088)

"If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?"

lol, so many choices...

[anoushka] - 07:53pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#650 of 2088)

I guess I should go ahead and do this already so we can enter the new year as friends.

1.In Mississippi's most liberal city, though it's still as bad as you think. 2.I sell things and sometimes my employers think my soul got
thrown into the mix, but I firmly believe that people should work to live and not live to work. 3.Lesbian. I have a beautiful
girlfriend who fluffs my pillows and melts my butter. 4.Registered Independent. Couldn't see myself voting for a Republican. 5.I had
a polisci teacher who used to say "Your rights end where my nose begins," I always liked that. 6.Restore furniture, watch lots of
movies/tv, and just sit in the sun and be. 7.None. 8.Agnostic, but I think Buddha may be calling. 9."Ain't no thang but a chicken
wing" and "Two tears in a bucket, muthafukit". 10.I'd like to meet Ghstwrtrx2, spend the day with the Dalai Lama, and party with
Ricky Martin. 11.Natrona--I wouldn't slap her, but it's clear that s/he needs help. 12.Nope. That's about it. Thanks.

Pathfinder's Resident Kitty - Meooooow! [KT_9] - 08:21pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#651 of 2088)

I've had a really great time for my first day of active participation. I've met some really nice, intelligent, funny people. I've also met
some rude, stupid, mean people. It was FUN! See you all tomorrow.

Meow.

Bin'nere, don'at, big mistake, prob'ly do it agin! [freeindividual] - 08:25pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#652 of 2088)

Nellsy

Welcome to one of the most interesting and nutty places on the planet, including everything in between.

Only thing I know for sure about your condition is, "That's what happens when you take seriously what was poked at you in fun."
*G* Oh, it's gonna be a boy.

[Nellsy] - 08:49pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#653 of 2088)

Hi Free :)

Interesting and nutty I can see already.

lol, I don't take things seriously all of the time, but I guess I do enough times.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 09:06pm
Dec 30, 1999 EST (#654 of 2088)

It's cool to see so many new faces. Please, participate!

Darby, Email me, please.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 10:36pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#655 of 2088)

Pregnancy isn't a disability under the ADA; it precedes the ADA by a number of years. The rule is, if the employer would give time
off for any other temporary disability, such as a broken leg, then it must also give time off for pregnancy as a temporary disability.
The period of disability is determined by the employee's physician, but is usually about five weeks' total -- a couple before delivery
and a couple after.

Don't get mad...get even. [Nellsy] - 10:38pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#656 of 2088)

Sure. I was just stating that it isn't covered by the ADA. Of course family leave for personal illness and pregnancy is extremely
important.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 10:46pm Dec 30, 1999 EST (#657 of 2088)

Anoushka -- we're members of the same club. I'm not a lesbian, but the male equivalent thereof. Glad to know you . . . and you have
already added positively to the mix. Welcome.

MM=Y2K...MMI=The New Millennium [hoeker] - 12:56am Dec 31, 1999 EST (#658 of 2088)

Anoushka...

I've read many of your postings and you always make a lot of sense to me. Hope you'll stick around for a while.

Don't get mad...get even. [Nellsy] - 02:43am Dec 31, 1999 EST (#659 of 2088)

3.single, bored, straight and looking for an extraordinarily fine dude!

lol, I sure can understand that Darby

and welcome Anoushka :)

[FriendlyPersuasion] - 03:02am Dec 31, 1999 EST (#660 of 2088)

I am a Quaker who lives in Arkansas.

I'm very sorry that our people have abandoned Democratic Republic Principles, and do not participate in our government.

So many are uneducated too.

What can we do to get back to what our Constitution was at the time of it's signing?

I think the world has come to depend on the U.S. as leading morally and ethically.

In recent years we have made many enemies of our former friends.

Our people's laziness is to blame.

They seem to have no interest in their own government.

Don't get mad...get even. [Nellsy] - 03:03am Dec 31, 1999 EST (#661 of 2088)

Welcome again FP. It's almost time for me to check in. My vitamins are waiting for me, and the little girl is telling me its time to turn
in. I haven't decided on a name yet, but she'll let me know what she wants to be called.

[It's 2000] - 08:19pm Dec 31, 1999 EST (#662 of 2088)

howdy all.

Ya'll seem to be a fun group.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:31pm
Jan 1, 2000 EST (#663 of 2088)

We are.

General [USAFA99] - 02:46pm Jan 1, 2000 EST (#664 of 2088)

When does the fun begin?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:47pm
Jan 1, 2000 EST (#665 of 2088)

On the other threads, usually on the standard hot topics. There's usually some good conversation in the Rumpus Room, also.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:49pm
Jan 1, 2000 EST (#666 of 2088)

Times Square was cool.

Susan [sjscruby] - 01:48am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#667 of 2088)

Thanx for the pics, alix. ;)

And WELCOME to all the newcomers!!! Enjoy!

[Liz_] - 02:35am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#668 of 2088)

Tiz Liz, and I am back. For those of you who haven't been graced with knowing me yet, I am:

36
STILL engaged!!!
A liberal independent
Mother of three kids, one of whom is an adolescent. Help.
Pathfinder's resident loony genius ; ) I've been here, on and off, in various incarnations, about three years.

Those who do know me, you *know* you missed me *g*. I hold no grudges and hold no truck with those who do. I'll just
be...oh...hanging around.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 02:37am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#669 of 2088)

Oh I thought I was you, Liz.

[Liz_] - 02:44am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#670 of 2088)

No. I'm me, clinically whacky but in a good way. ; )

You're Duff, right?

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 02:49am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#671 of 2088)

Yep. Dave picks and chooses who he locks out. Based on whether your his friend or not.

[Liz_] - 02:52am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#672 of 2088)

Well, I won't go there here. If ya want, you can e mail me and rant there. That way, you don't get in trouble.

See, when I WAS a friend, I took advantage of that bias too much to be able to decry it at this point.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 02:54am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#673 of 2088)

Yeah, I remember you posting about that exact same thing.

And I don't care at this point. I told him the bias was too disgusting. He knows it. Everyone knows it. There's nothing he can do to me.

He's locked me out twice already.

Hotmail is open to everybody last time I checked.

[Liz_] - 03:01am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#674 of 2088)

Well, I can understand the pique. I really can. But, and you probably don't want to hear this, but what I have learned is we each
draw to ourselves what we need. You know what I mean?

Like, when I was fighting with everyone, I was drawing the looniest people in the world to me and rejecting the sane ones because
for whatever reason, at that time I needed that. For me it was about atoning for old stuff. (Therapy, never mind)

Instead of worrying about what other people are doing, or going to do, I have learned to empower myself more so it doesn't need to
matter. I can't control the behavior of others but I can control my reaction to it, you know what I mean? And if I draw loonies or
unfairness, it is what I wish to draw, just as if I draw saneness and rationality, that is what I need. Now when I draw the bad stuff to
me, I can look at it and say, why am I allowing this? There always seems to be a reason that I can diffuse now, you know what I
mean?

That probably doesn't help you any : (

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 03:09am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#675 of 2088)

Nope :-)

cuz I think fair is fair

If someone wants to discriminate against me in real life, then I'll sue.

If you have rules or laws or whatever, the rules and laws need to be applied to everyone fairly and not just who you choose for them
to be applied to.

That's fair and just...and I'm not the type to settle for anything less.

Call me arrogant, call me selfish, call me an uppity ni**er, call me rude, call me anything you want. BUT apply the rules to everyone
fairly and don't think I'm going to bow and kiss ass when you do the exact opposite.

[Liz_] - 03:11am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#676 of 2088)

I didn't ask you to kiss anything, Duff. *g* I promise not to.

I am trying to say that you find things change for the better when you stop worrying so much about what 'they' are doing and work
on what you are instead. It isn't a crime to get your shit together.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 03:17am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#677 of 2088)

I know what I'm doing. I'm talking about right here, right now.

There are rules and laws in every aspect of life.

This board will not prevent me from finishing graduate school and accomplishing what I need to accomplish. This is for
entertainment purposes.

Regardless, I'm a person who thinks that rules and laws should be applied fairly to everyone. This board is no exception.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one you've heard complain about the bias. You can either sit down and let it happen or try your best to
do something about it.

[Liz_] - 03:54am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#678 of 2088)

Look, I am hardly qualified to tell anyone else how to behave, BUT...if this is entertainment, why are you so unhappy?

I'm just telling you what it is for me, Duff. Like, I know that tomorrow OJ or someone like him will do their best to push my buttons.
There's nothing I can do about that. Do I sit and rail at the injustice or unfairness of it, or do I accept it is a reality and adjust the way
*I* handle it?

Life isn't always fair. It won't always be possible to change the system. You've allowed yourself to become a fun target, Duff. Sooner
or later you have to come to grips with the fact that nothing will change for you in this place until you change yourself in this
place.

Have a good night.


I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 04:07am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#679 of 2088)

I don't know...

You might be one of those people who talk one thing and then do another.

But we'll see.

And when you say "rail", I wasn't speaking about railing on the boards.

But if I think a bias is a bias, I'll say it. I won't kiss Dave's butt.

If there are no rules, then there are no rules. I can live with that.

G'night

[Liz_] - 04:18am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#680 of 2088)

Of COURSE I can be a hypocrite, Duff. Everyone can. That's part of my point.

You seem to need Dave to be a perfect moderator, but he really can't be because he is human. And because he is human, his biases
will come into play. Like it or not, that is only natural. When faced with a situation where you have two people behaving
ridiculously, and one of them is a friend and one of them is someone who takes every opportunity to tell you how lousy a job you are
doing, which one are YOU going to be more sympathetic to? If someone comes up to you at work, someone who needs your help but
who has done nothing but diss you and ask for favors they didn't deserve, how much are you going to want to help?

And no, it isn't *fair*...but Duff, in this case, I think *fair* is a child's concept, being used the way little kids use the idea of fair or
not when they get to go to bat in little league or not. They expect the grownups to have all the right answers and to always do the
right thing and they do rail and cry when it turns out differently.

But you aren't a little kid, Duff and it is time that you learn this: you get what you ask for. You reap what you carefully sow. Before
you ask for 'fairness' ask yourself WHY you are drawing this to you. WHY is it you have such a hard time with so many here?
Yes...most of the people you have a hard time with are the people who are going to have a hard time with ANYONE who won't kiss
their collective rear. You aren't 'causing' their behavior...but you are drawing the people who are going to behave the worst to your
side. So? So you do what...you make yourself a target. You give them every possible opportunity to treat you in EXACTLY the fashion
you are complaining about.

Sigh. I don't mean to condescend and it seems there is no way to say this without doing so. Duff, grow up. You want change, do it
yourself. Stop waiting for Dave or Lara or anyone else to change for your good. Either do it for yourself, or accept that for some
reason, you are drawing the worst to yourself and figure out why.

I really don't mean to say you don't have a beef. You do. And on that frustrating note, I am done.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 04:19am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#681 of 2088)

I thought you said you were going to bed :)

That's some long stuff you wrote.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 04:21am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#682 of 2088)

And don't worry about me. I'll be just fine. I guarantee you that. :-)

21 and many more years to go

[Liz_] - 04:22am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#683 of 2088)

See? said I was going to do one thing and I did another. Stayed up after all. Look what an evil hypocrite I am ; )

We should really have this convo e mail, Duff. It won't do any good to have it here. sim_liz@pacbell.net

[Liz_] - 04:26am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#684 of 2088)

That's just it...I *am* worried about you. I've been in this frustrating place where it seems that every word you say, no matter what
it is will be attacked somehow, and if they can't find a way to attack what you really said, they'll just make up something new.

So I ...sympathize, I guess with the position you are in and hate to see you letting them make such sport of you. That's all.

It's none of my business though, so...

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 04:30am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#685 of 2088)

You seem to need Dave to be a perfect moderator, but he really can't be because he is human. And because he is
human, his biases will come into play. Like it or not, that is only natural. When faced with a situation where you have
two people behaving ridiculously, and one of them is a friend and one of them is someone who takes every
opportunity to tell you how lousy a job you are doing, which one are YOU going to be more sympathetic to? If someone
comes up to you at work, someone who needs your help but who has done nothing but diss you and ask for favors they
didn't deserve, how much are you going to want to help?

And you grow up in a *not so favorable family*, you go into Denny's, get a job as a waitress, you get extremely tired one night
because you've been there 10 hours already and the next waitress didn't show up, you have 2 tables waiting to be served -- one black
family, one white -- you decide to only serve one, you think back to what papa said on the farm back in Kentucky, which family do
you serve?

The moral of the story. Some biases are way too obvious.

[Liz_] - 04:34am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#686 of 2088)

Fair enough, but if he has a bias against you, I am sure it has nothing to do with color.

You are probably going to want to sock me for saying this BUT...not everyone hates you because you are black. You're contrary and
stubborn and you react to taunts deliciously. That has to do with personality not color.

[Liz_] - 04:37am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#687 of 2088)

I have got to go to bed.

Have a good night, Duff. And don't take all this so seriously.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 04:45am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#688 of 2088)

You are probably going to want to sock me for saying this BUT...not everyone hates you because you are black.

of course not

They (they = certain posters, definitely not all) hate me because I am a black who won't sit and take what they want me to take. I
guess some might call that an uppity ni**er. I set high goals for myself and I go out to achieve them. That's what people are
threatened by...in real life and on this board. I've never been an ass kisser.

Now, whether or not you know this, this is true: A black person in America is not expected to achieve much. So when one does, they
are 1) not believed 2) told they are selfish and arrogant when what they have achieved is found to be fact (even by other black
people, can you believe?)

That's why I just had to be making up stories. A black couldn't possibly have any achievements. I mean, in America for Gods sake? I
should have 6 kids and be on welfare, right? {snicker}

So all the black person has to do is mention their achievement, and that person is automatically a self obsesser. Doesn't matter how
many times others will bring it up to make that person appear that way. And that Liz indeed has to do with color.

That's the way it is. And if that's the way it is, then let it be.

Then I have more selfish and arrogant activities to come in my lifetime. I guarantee myself that, and I'm looking forward to it.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 04:52am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#689 of 2088)

oh, my little scenario wasn't about race

It was about obvious bias, but I used that Denny's race thing as an example.

Kinda liked it. Unfortunately it's probably true. lol

But the other moral of the story was that it doesn't matter how tired you are. You should always try to be fair and just to everyone,
not only when you *feel* like it. Cuz one day, it might come back to you...at a more serious level than the original.

Have a good night, Duff. And don't take all this so seriously.

okay, only if you don't :-)

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 05:22am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#690 of 2088)

Where do you live? Texas
What do you do for a living? Unemployed at present, & bored.
Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Single, straight, and no thank you.
What's your political affiliation? Left of center
What's your philosophy of politics? The candidate with the most votes will win.
What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Reading, camping, internet, etc.
Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? Alan Greenspan (does he count?) & Dick Armey (he counts,
trust me)
What's your religion? Atheist
What's your philosophy of life? We are living in our own Hell, and heaven is when we die & don't have to any more.
If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from
Pathfinder, who would it be? I'd hug Lisa, & shake Susan Sarandon's hand.
If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder,
who would it be? I'd punch Lush Windbag and slap Laura Schlessinger.
Anything else you'd like to add? Yes. I'd like to add Antonio Banderas to my collection of beautiful things.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 05:24am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#691 of 2088)

Sorry, you're not allowed to be bored Rhi :-)

or unemployed

and one more thing:

God Exists

lol

Good taste on the Banderas thing

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 05:30am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#692 of 2088)

ROFL

I'm a workaholic, Nellsy...the insanity that came with relative inactivity was inevitable. I've got a nice little side-business going
now creating some web-sites, but it's not enough.

I'm doing some part-time hunting this week...and I find out this week if I got the grants I applied for to go back to school. (fingers
majorly x'd) I'm one of those people who puts off real life by going back to school every time something doesn't work out. LOL

This one will teach me CAD, though, so it's fitting in with what I'm currently "doing".

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 05:32am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#693 of 2088)

I'm one of those people who puts off real life by going back to school every time something doesn't work out.

uh oh,

Some don't like those kind round here. lol

I was thinking of going back to school too, but it's more because what I really want to do, I wasn't doing. I use to come home from
school and work mass hours. People thought I was crazy, but its not the same now because this is an actual career. My career when I
was working all those hours was still "full-time student" I'm thinking of going into social work. How about you?

Oh, you're one of those computer people, huh? So what exactly do you do? Design web sites and stuff like that?

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 05:38am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#694 of 2088)

Rhi,

Remember that 17 year old boy who was shot at that church shooting a while back. You posted shortly after it happen and of course
you were very shaken up.

How is he doing? I recall a 17 year old being released a couple of days later, but I wasn't sure if he had been the only one.

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 05:40am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#695 of 2088)

Yeah...I designed my first website 4 years ago, and for some reason when I learned HTML it just seemed like someone was speaking
my language for a change. I picked it up really fast and easily.

I've been doing things that made me a fair amount of money (I'm living off savings & stock options right now) but was really just
not my cup of tea, no matter how hard I tried.

I'm hoping that getting paid for doing something I love to do will help me settle into a less material mindset, and get me on the right
track for a real career.

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 05:43am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#696 of 2088)

He was doing very well last I heard (I don't work with his mom any more). He's been back at school for months now.

That was such an unimaginable tragedy.

I hate hypocrites [Nellsy] - 05:49am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#697 of 2088)

Well that's good to hear. I'm glad he's okay. I specifically remember how upset you were that night...and of course I remember the
shooting.

I'm living off savings & stock options right now

Hey, well that's the best way to live :-)

I've been doing things that made me a fair amount of money (I'm living off savings & stock options right now) but
was really just not my cup of tea, no matter how hard I tried.

I know exactly what you mean...although I wasn't making any mega bucks. lol

I'm hoping that getting paid for doing something I love to do will help me settle into a less material mindset, and get
me on the right track for a real career.

exactly

This is what I was thinking. I was thinking that I could do both --- work to make the money I wanted to make and do the volunteer
work I wanted to do without making it into a career.

Wrong! lol

I don't know why in the world I thought I'd have that much energy. lol The volunteer stuff had just gone out the door. So I'm
thinking of going back to school so my job will resemble the volunteer work I wanted to do. Wish I would have figured that out
before :-)

But I'm bad staying up this late and sleeping into the day. I'm in Eastern zone. Goodnight Rhi :-)

I'm NOT your type - I've still got a pulse! [freeindividual] - 11:02am Jan 3, 2000 EST (#698 of 2088)

Rhiannon

Where do you live? Texas

What happened to Sidney and the roos? Oh yeah, now it's clearing up, THAT was a century ago. Right? *G*

[Liz_] - 02:30pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#699 of 2088)

Rhi, Antonio Banderas is nice, for a pretty face, but Laurence Fishburne is soooo much more....male. And he's a better actor.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 03:18pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#700 of 2088)

So Liz aka my mother (lol)

What's going on today?

You know, I've heard of Laurence Fishburne, but I can't put a face on him.

[Liz_] - 03:35pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#701 of 2088)

Hi Duff. I'm good today, and thanks. Laurence Fishburne is the marvelous actor who played Othello, he was Socrates Fortlow in
'Always Outnumbered' (excellent book, btw), he was the captain in something 'Horizon', a movie about a haunted ship which was
horribly yucky, he was Morpheus in 'The Matrix'.

Gorgeous, tall, beefy, black actor who speaks like silk. Yum, yum yum.

[Liz_] - 04:15pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#702 of 2088)

'Event Horizon' was the name of the movie, and he did one with Ellen Barkin that was very good too, though the name escapes me.

Today is the first day of the rest of my life... [geogent] - 04:17pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#703 of 2088)

Where do you live? Nashua, NH

What do you do for a living? Fully retired

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Single, twice divorced (friends with both exes), 3 children, 7 grandchildren

What's your political affiliation? Independent

What's your philosophy of politics? Government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Harrass some posters; participate in the threads; read; visit with my kids and
grandkids; work on my genealogy project which includes some travel; enjoy the shit out of life.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? McCain/GWeeB (AKA: GW Bush)

What's your religion? A non-church affiliated believer in a Supreme Being.

What's your philosophy of life? Enjoy it ... see my tag line.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? OJ

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? No
one ... I'm simply not into violence except in self defense ... oooohhhh does that make me a libertarian

Anything else you'd like to add? Only that I enjoy participating in the various discussions and with minor exception, I think the
regulars are a pretty nice group of people.

Dick H

God Exists [Nellsy] - 04:58pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#704 of 2088)

Liz,

Last movie I saw in the movie theater was Titanic. lol

But I've seen a few on cable since then.

[Liz_] - 05:12pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#705 of 2088)

I recently rented 'The Matrix' and thought it was one of the best films I ever saw. Went right out and bought a copy.

The last one I saw in the theater was 'The Green Mile' which was good, but not as good as it could have been. I'd already read the book
three or four times.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:20pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#706 of 2088)

Haven't seen Matrix yet - Have to wait til it shows on one of these cable channels. But I also want to see that one movie with the kid
who sees dead people -- can't remember what its called but its with Bruce Willis.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:27pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#707 of 2088)

Oh, I forgot

Hi Dick H. :-)

I've seen you around many times already.

[Liz_] - 05:27pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#708 of 2088)

It's really good. Much more so than I would ever have thought. I actually rented it one night because they didn't have 'The General's
Daughter' and I was bored, but I've watched it twenty times since then. At least once a day. If I'm not watching it directly, it's
playing int he background. I just love the way Fishburne sounds in it, and the head agent too...creepy way of speaking. And the
soundtrack, though I am far from a headbanger, is really good.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:28pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#709 of 2088)

20 times???

lol

[ex-glencarr] - 05:30pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#710 of 2088)

Liz you missed nothing by not seeing The General's daughter. What a snore-fest.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:31pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#711 of 2088)

Snoring is boring, Glencarr

[Liz_] - 05:34pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#712 of 2088)

I actually finally did get to rent it, Glen, having narrowly beat out a man who I should have let have it due to the appearance of a
heart attack when I got it first, and I wan't too thrilled.

[ex-glencarr] - 05:36pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#713 of 2088)

I think I'll rent something tonight. Any ideas besides The Matrix? I saw that one fairly recently.

[ex-glencarr] - 05:37pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#714 of 2088)

Duffy You haven't heard me snore. Veddy interesting...

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:38pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#715 of 2088)

oh, you said you already saw that Copycat flick. That was awesome. Have you seen "The Edge" starring Anthony Hopkins and Alec
Baldwin (or one of the Baldwins)?

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:39pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#716 of 2088)

Veddy interesting...

vedie vedie interesting

[Liz_] - 05:41pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#717 of 2088)

Don't get me started on Tony Hopkins. I want to eat him alive. 'Nother yum.

There's an idea...you ought to rent 'Instinct' Glen. It isn't at all the insane loony film they marketed it to be (trying to capitalize on
the Lecter thing). It was a Verry good film.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:42pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#718 of 2088)

Basic Instinct?

[ex-glencarr] - 05:45pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#719 of 2088)

I saw The Edge. Despite my dislike for Alec Baldwin, it was a ggod flick. I'll try Instinct if it's available. I just rented South Park & it
had fuuny scenes but it was fairly juvenile.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:46pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#720 of 2088)

What's wrong with Alec Baldwin? That movie was awesome! I kept dreaming that a bear was coming after me.

[Liz_] - 05:48pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#721 of 2088)

Not 'Basic Instinct', Duff. Just 'Instinct'.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:49pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#722 of 2088)

lol, I know

But I liked Basic Instinct.

[ex-glencarr] - 05:51pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#723 of 2088)

His politics. The blowhard factor. The fact that he's normally excruciating to watch. He turned it down for the bear movie & that was
good. I will try Instinct if it's available. All we have around here is Blockbuster.

[Liz_] - 05:52pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#724 of 2088)

I don't rent at Blockbuster anymore. We use Hollywood Video because I like the idea of helping the smaller chain. Plus I get five days
for 3.79.

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 05:52pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#725 of 2088)

ex-glencarr:

Arlington Rd!

Jeff Bridges and Tim Robbins.

Very good flick! g

God Exists [Nellsy] - 05:53pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#726 of 2088)

Glencarr,

I thought Blockbuster was the top place to rent videos. You make it sound like "All we have round here is Buster's Biscuits &
Chicken".

[Liz_] - 05:54pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#727 of 2088)

LOL Duff!!!

[ex-glencarr] - 06:03pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#728 of 2088)

Yeah but Duffy they don't have a great selection as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it's that the one by me is the only video store
within 10 minutes driving distance & they run out of available copies sooner.

Blackricco I don't see but about 10 movies per year at the theater & don't you know Arlington Road was one of them. Cool flick
though!

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 06:08pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#729 of 2088)

ex-glencarr:

8mm.

It's good but, awfully dark.

God Exists [Nellsy] - 06:09pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#730 of 2088)

oh okay glencarr. There's a couple of Blockbusters close to me. One is just 5 minutes away. Actually there are several video stores.
Hollywood Video and something else I think.

I don't know much about Alec's politics. I just remember him punching out some reporter for invading his privacy. lol I remember
him in "Malice" which was another movie that I loved. I love those sorts of movies. I AM GOD lol, I just loved that.

Hey Liz,

I got my AllAdvantage check in the mail today...finally. $25!! I'm rich :-) I remember seeing the website at the bottom of one of your
emails. I do the AllAdvantage thing to. That reminds me. I have to turn it on for this month. If only that thing didn't have an hour
limit. lol

[Liz_] - 06:11pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#731 of 2088)

LOL!!!

That's funny, Duff...I couldn't get the viewbar to work on my machine. But I'm glad it worked for you : )

8mm was a very good film, but very dark is right.

[ex-glencarr] - 06:21pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#732 of 2088)

8MM was good although Cage is starting to bore me. Did you (hopefully!) miss Snake Eyes? That was pretty bad. He has taken quite a
beating from his fellow thespians like Sean Penn & others.

[Liz_] - 06:23pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#733 of 2088)

Sean Penn is a good actor, but a little too full of himself. I saw 'Snake Eyes' and it was a dud.

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 06:30pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#734 of 2088)

Snake Eyes.

Yeah... no doubt Cage phoned that one in. G

Snow [Snow Pea] - 06:46pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#735 of 2088)

Glencar, Liz & McDuffy . . .

Isn't it nice to see banned posters bonding together?!?

McDuff -- you should hang with a better crowd. Trust me.

[Liz_] - 06:48pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#736 of 2088)

I'm not a banned poster : )

I'm a bane poster. *chuckle*

Candle in the Wind... [Nellsy] - 06:56pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#737 of 2088)

What do you mean Snowpea?

Actually, I've always liked Liz since she made the very 1st post to me 6 months ago (but don't tell her I said that lol)

I think it was something like:

I got the same song and dance when I was a kid.

and Glencarr, I didn't much know til a couple of days ago - or was it yesterday? Who knows. I did remember when he was going out
-- what he was saying, but he has apologized for it.

And call me relentless or whatever, I don't think I did anything different than what certain other posters were doing who didn't get
a lock out. If I did anything at all, I believe a warning was sufficient especially if the plan was to ban only me. But I've gone into
that in detail in this thread and another, so I'll try to leave it at that.

To tell you the truth, I really don't try to do the taking sides thing (although nobody can be as good at it as Libby :-))

I don't have anything against Babette...or Natrona either. I really haven't battled with them on many issues though, but I still think
they'd have a right to their own opinion.

[Liz_] - 06:58pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#738 of 2088)

This is what I was talking about last night, Duff. Some people simply feel a need to cause trouble. It's just how they satisfy some
inner thing they have going.

You can't do anything about what they say, either when they say things about you or when they make up lies trying to get you to
blast off. The only thing you can do is refuse to play the game. Pretend it isn't happening and insist on drawing better stuff to you.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 07:02pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#739 of 2088)

McDuff -- I've always liked you actually. I just think your posts about being bored were getting a bit tiresome over the holidays. I'm
glad your back.

As for Liz, I have one word of advice. Don't EVER share your e-mail address with her. I'm sure there are at least two dozen posters
here who will back me up with that little tip.

And then there's Glen. He's a complete and total gay-hating homophobe despite his apology to Ferret Mike.

[ArmyMan] - 07:06pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#740 of 2088)

Where do you live? Jacksonville, FL (moved here from DC burbs)

What do you do for a living? Information Technology Professional. Retired U.S. Army.

Married? Single? Gay? Have children? Single, divorced, 15 yr. old son who lives with his mother. Straight.

What's your political affiliation? I suppose Republican, but presently disillusioned with the choices from both sides. Bradley strikes
me as a sober individual.

What's your philosophy of politics? Less government is more.

What do you do for fun? What are your interests? Music (singing crooner tunes with big bands), golf, golf, golf ... surf the web.

Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least? No one / The Klintons

What's your religion? I believe in God.

What's your philosophy of life? The Golden Rule.

If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be? If he were still alive, I would have loved to shake Francis Albert Sinatra's hand.

If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be? If I
knew I wouldn't be thrown in the slammer, I'd like to take a swing at Der Slickmeister, although I probably would get more
satisfaction challenging him to a golf match, no mulligans, match play format, 36 holes.

Anything else you'd like to add? I still think this place is pretty cool!

[Liz_] - 07:08pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#742 of 2088)

Like all places, it is what you make of it. : )

Libby, it didn't show up at hotmail either, but I got mail from Glen so itmight be a problem on your end.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 07:09pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#743 of 2088)

Whatever, McDuff. Don't say you weren't warned about Liz when the day comes.

I'm glad you're feeling better though.

[Liz_] - 07:12pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#745 of 2088)

Well, it doesn't matter what the truth is because people will believe what they need to, right?

Lyle has a tendency when we're playing 'Galaga' to worry about what I think of his misfires. I tell him this: stop thinking so much
about what *I'M* thinking of your game and just play it.

Good advice for you too. And always remember what Rhi told me. You don't need to get caught up in trying to get the last word. There
will ALWAYS be another point to be made in response. KNow when it is futile and when to walk away.

Candle in the Wind... [Nellsy] - 07:22pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#746 of 2088)

Thanks Snow Pea :-)

[ex-glencarr] - 07:48pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#747 of 2088)

Lyle plays Galaga? It's one of the few video games I ever liked! Kewl!

Candle in the Wind... [Nellsy] - 07:50pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#748 of 2088)

My little brother's watching that Chuckie movie yet again.

He loves it. He told me to order him the sequels. lol

I use to watch scary movies too when I was little. There was something about them that I really liked.

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 07:51pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#749 of 2088)

freeindividual

What happened to Sidney and the roos? Oh yeah, now it's clearing up, THAT was a century ago. Right?

LOL...I think you have me confused with someone else. I've never lived in Australia. I'd like to go there, though!

[ex-glencarr] - 07:52pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#750 of 2088)

He was thinking of Rhianwen. She was an interesting poster too.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 07:55pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#751 of 2088)

Zioncanyon was an interesting poster. What happened to her?

Candle in the Wind... [Nellsy] - 07:57pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#752 of 2088)

Snow Pea,

I thought I remember looking at the picture pages and seeing that name next to Glencarr's -- like it was the same poster?

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 08:00pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#753 of 2088)

Thanks, glencarr...I don't remember Rhianwen...must have been 'before my time' around here. :)

[ex-glencarr] - 08:01pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#754 of 2088)

She posted just a couple of months ago, Rhi. She used to be pro-choice but PBA really bothered her. It was pretty controversial
thread.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 08:02pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#755 of 2088)

Hummmmmm . . . could be, McDuff. But why would Glennie need so many handles?

In all my time here, I've only needed the one.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 08:06pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#756 of 2088)

Me too, Snow Pea.

Candle in the Wind... [Nellsy] - 08:08pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#757 of 2088)

There are a lot of people who have different handles. Maybe he was bored :::shrug:::

And some people say they use different handles to say things that they wouldn't want their original to be associated with...actually a
lot of people do that I know.

I use to make up new ones just to start threads so my name wouldn't be associated with the topic -- to try to make people give their
true opinion of the topic on hand.

Like I'm the one who started that Gay Adoption thread a while back. I was "Betty Broderick". Betty actually stuck around to discuss
the issue though. Others I've used just to put the topic up.

I'm NOT your type - I've still got a pulse! [freeindividual] - 08:13pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#758 of 2088)

Rhiannon

freeindividual

LOL...I think you have me confused with someone else. I've never lived in Australia.

I believe you're right and altho the name is not a common one, many other things are very similar. If your last name doesn't start
with "R" you have a twin down under. *G*

Snow [Snow Pea] - 08:13pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#759 of 2088)

I don't really have a problem with multiple handles, Robbie & McDuff. I guess I just never felt the need to change identities. Couldn't
do it if I tried.

But, McDuff, there are those who try to disguise who they are to circumvent a suspension or to post inflammatory garbage -- not
you, of course!

I y'am what I y'am and I've never been banned from the boards. Then again, I’m not necessarily proud of everything I’ve posted.

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 08:18pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#760 of 2088)

If your last name doesn't start with "R" you have a twin down under.

:) Looks like I've got a twin down under. :)

glencarr

Then she was just "between" my time. LOL...I'm here so infrequently, with long pauses between active spurts, that I miss quite a bit.

I've almost exhausted my current active "spurt" unless someone comes up with a really good thread to tweak my interest.

LOL

Candle in the Wind... [Nellsy] - 08:19pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#761 of 2088)

I y'am what I y'am

Right.

Amy, Becky, Christine, Diane. No matter what you call me, I am who I am :-)

[ex-glencarr] - 08:30pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#762 of 2088)

Rhi Yes this has been boring altely. I've just taken Liz's movie advice & I'll be watching Instinct with Hopkins & Gooding. Hope all
goes well in the job/school search.

Atheist Laureate - - Official Atheist of the Year 2000 [Rhiannon] - 08:33pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#763 of 2088)

Thanks, glencarr. :) I've got fingers & toes x'd.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 08:38pm Jan 3, 2000 EST (#764 of 2088)

Geez, Glen, you've only been back a couple of days and you are already bored?

What a shame . . .

Today is the first day of the rest of my life... [geogent] - 10:59am Jan 4, 2000 EST (#765 of 2088)

Hi Nellsy.

Re names. I've never understood why anyone needs more than one name. I usually conclude that when I learn that a person is
using a pseudonym, they probably shouldn't be posting what they posted under the psuedonym.

I've probably 'heard' almost every regular who posts in these threads point out the need for accountability.

Why not be accountable for what you post in these threads?

Dick H

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 11:55am
Jan 4, 2000 EST (#766 of 2088)

I have never had a problem with being very open about my identity. Just be honest, and respect those you discuss things with.

One of the smart monkeys… [guy montag] - 11:56am Jan 4, 2000 EST (#767 of 2088)

alix

And don't piss anyone off...

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 11:57am
Jan 4, 2000 EST (#768 of 2088)

Well...

[ex-glencarr] - 12:06pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#769 of 2088)

Actually, it's most important not to get pissed off. For that's when you might post something in a moment of anger that you might
regret later. And truthfully, is this site all that important that we should get so angry? I've had one or two posters trail me around
baiting me & the easiest thing is to just ignore tehm. Sand fleas are worse!

The artist formerly known as McDuffy [Nellsy] - 03:36pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#770 of 2088)

Yeah, but lots of people have posted in at least a couple of names. First, it's fun to experiment. Like if you know this or that person
has something against you, it's fun to see how they sit there and laugh along with your other character while going off at your
original. That's a trip. Also, one person told me that he/she didn't want his/hers ideas associated with the original -- because they
might have been offensive and he/she really wanted to say them. I've also heard some will do it just to piss people off -- create a
mean spirited character. You'd probably be surprised how many names are actually one in the same poster.

It's TRUE--humans DO suck. [Vulgus] - 03:42pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#771 of 2088)

Liz you missed nothing by not seeing The General's daughter. What a snore-fest.

Except for the tender, intimate sex scenes.
Today is the first day of the rest of my life... [geogent] - 03:49pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#772 of 2088)

Nellsy: "Also, one person told me that he/she didn't want his/hers ideas associated with the original -- because they might have
been offensive and he/she really wanted to say them."

Thanks for supporting my position ... unknowingly I believe. If you don't have the courage to support and take responsibility for
the words you write, then you shouldn't be writing them. Anything more stinks of hypocracy.

I should add that I have no problem with anyone who uses a variation of their name (Hank and OJ do it), but remain readily
identifiable.

Dick H

The artist formerly known as McDuffy [Nellsy] - 04:03pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#773 of 2088)

lol, well I suppose. But that won't change his/her mind. I actually think that he/she may do it for fun - I've seen a few characters
resembling this person actually. He/she just might get laughs out of it.

And I definitely did use to make up a name to start a new thread just so people could give their true opinion without ignoring the
thread because I started it or referring to me to try to start something. But I used the names just for that purpose except for a couple
which I kept around to discuss the same thread.

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 04:11pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#774 of 2088)

I could recognize Hank and OJ if their names were blank. LMAO!!

Still crazy after all these tears [Liz_] - 08:29pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#775 of 2088)

Lyle plays Galaga? It's one of the few video games I ever liked! Kewl!

He used to work at Magic Mountain in his early teens and it was the game to play, or so I gather. I was never a fan of the space
invader games. My tastes ran to the cute ones like Pacman and Frogger.

But we got the kids Nintendo and Galaga came on a set with five others, so when he started playing it, I did too. Now I can kick his
butt and it's great for relieving frustration.

Still crazy after all these tears [Liz_] - 08:31pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#776 of 2088)

Rhi Yes this has been boring altely. I've just taken Liz's movie advice & I'll be watching Instinct with Hopkins &
Gooding. Hope all goes well in the job/school search.

Did you watch it?

The artist formerly known as McDuffy [Nellsy] - 09:13pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#777 of 2088)

What is Frogger?

Still crazy after all these tears [Liz_] - 09:15pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#778 of 2088)

g* Frogger is the one where you start with a little frog that wants to get from one side of the road to the other and you have to help
him navigate a zillion obstacles before he can. It's a lot of fun.

They don't have it for Nintendo though : ( They have a handheld, and I have the handheld Slingo, but it ain't the same.

I might not give the answer that you want me to... [hoeker] - 10:06pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#779 of 2088)

If you like old video games...

You'll love Emux. You can download the emulators and the ROMs of all of your fond favorites. MAME is the emulator for arcade
games. Nesticle is the one for Nintendo, and Genecyst is the one for Sega Genesis.

[ex-glencarr] - 11:11pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#780 of 2088)

I watched most of it last night, Liz & I have half hour left. It's good.

Happy New Year!!! [margotx] - 11:24pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#781 of 2088)

Hoeker,

I missed you...

Still crazy after all these tears [Liz_] - 11:26pm Jan 4, 2000 EST (#782 of 2088)

Glen, it isn't at all the weird kind of crazy psychopath film they tried to bill it as, is it?

I might not give the answer that you want me to... [hoeker] - 06:24am Jan 5, 2000 EST (#783 of 2088)

Hi, Margot...

I'll write...soon.

Still crazy after all these tears [Liz_] - 06:30am Jan 5, 2000 EST (#784 of 2088)

Hi hoeker.

I might not give the answer that you want me to... [hoeker] - 07:04am Jan 5, 2000 EST (#785 of 2088)

Hi, Liz...

Happy New Year.

Susan [sjscruby] - 02:48pm Jan 5, 2000 EST (#786 of 2088)

Thanx for the link, hoeker---I'm going to check it out. ;)

L33t [Xnem] - 12:18pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#787 of 2088)

wow this was was near the bottom, no wonder I didn't see it.

I'm 18, live in Dayton, Ohio. Male. I'm kind of Independant (neither Demo no Repub).

I have yet to vote, but I thought i would learn something from the people here.

My picture is at

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/MSNGamingZone/xnem/me.html

L33t [Xnem] - 12:20pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#788 of 2088)

o yeah, and I'm mormon :)

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 12:22pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#789 of 2088)

Welcome. Your link doesn't work, though. :-)

GW: [G. Washington] - 12:23pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#790 of 2088)

L33t: Welcome. You'll find the folks here very knowledgable about politics, and very opinionated. And things always heat up during
an election year, as many of the old duffers drift back and join the fun.

So stick around......

I'm in Columbus, by the way.

L33t [Xnem] - 12:26pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#791 of 2088)

sorry bout the linker, does now, just had to add .html to the end of it.

Yeah I figured I'd catch a lot of info on the elections and bills. Columbus? I go there about twice a month to visit friends at OSU.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 12:49pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#792 of 2088)

The link worked for me. It took a long time to load.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 02:01pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#793 of 2088)

Hi L33t : )

Morning, Cooter, GW. You old duffers ok this morning? Can I get you your blanket and move your chairs by the window?

g*

It's TRUE--humans DO suck. [Vulgus] - 02:09pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#794 of 2088)

Rock on, XNem. Looks like you're an engineer of some sort, or else pretending to be, based on that board behind ya. ;)

Are you a "nice person"? [cenorris] - 02:17pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#795 of 2088)

Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste.

L33t [Xnem] - 03:04pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#796 of 2088)

Yeah I'm an engineering Aid on base at WPAFB (Write Patterson Air Force Base)

It's fun stuff.

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 03:07pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#797 of 2088)

That would be fine, Liz....and while you're at it, fetch me a beer. I prefer a bottle.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 03:10pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#798 of 2088)

Liz whacks Cooter.

All over the map, figure that. [Snake] - 07:27pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#799 of 2088)

·Where do you live?

The south east

· What do you do for a living?

Engineer/Research Scientist

· Married? Single? Gay? Have children?

Married, 2 kids.

·What's your political affiliation?

It’s relative. Mostly conservative, but compared to some conservatives, very moderate.

·What's your philosophy of politics?

Politicians suck in general, we have lost control. Character does matter.

·What do you do for fun? What are your interests?

Raising my kids, computers, RC planes

·Who do you admire most in politics? Who do you admire least?

Reagan, who else. Clinton, who else.

·What's your religion?

A non church going Christian.

·What's your philosophy of life?

Live and let live I suppose

·If you could shake the hand or hug one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it
be?

No one from those categories, I would like to meet Albert Einstein. (yes I know he is dead, unlike Elvis :) )

·If you could punch or slap one person, from the world of politics, entertainment, sports, or from Pathfinder, who would it be?

Bill Clinton, in a bad way.

·Anything else you'd like to add?

You’ll read it in my post.

[McDuffy21] - 08:09pm Jan 7, 2000 EST (#800 of 2088)

I am who I am.

Always and forever.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 02:38am Jan 8, 2000 EST (#801 of 2088)

Me too, but I'm a work in progress. : )

[Rocketman57] - 03:28am Jan 8, 2000 EST (#802 of 2088)

I'm Jim.

My crawlspace is so full that now I can bearly afford enough Hefty bags and Xmas tree hanging
deodorizers...the_rocket_is@hotmail.org...please donate...

[Sweet Leilani] - 04:26am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#803 of 2088)

Hi there. I've been lurking this board for a while, and finally decided to sign on and post.

I live in the west. WAY west.

I'm retired.

I'm a widow. My children are grown and out of the nest.

For fun I go to the beach and read.

I'm registered as an independent.

My "religion" is agnostic.

My philosophy of live is that its a whole lot of fun.

Hug someone, huh? I'm not much of a hugger.

I'm not much of a hitter, either.

I hope to have fun here.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 04:30am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#804 of 2088)

Well, hello and welcome, Leilani : ) I'm Liz, one of the resident loonies.

[Sweet Leilani] - 04:31am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#805 of 2088)

Hello Liz. Nice to meet you. What makes you a loonie?

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 04:34am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#806 of 2088)

Hard work and committment to my craft ; )

Better living through denial.... [Duh. . .] - 04:35am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#807 of 2088)

OHHHHHHHHHHHH..... don't ask, Leilani.....

[Sweet Leilani] - 04:37am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#808 of 2088)

Duh is there something I should know?

Better living through denial.... [Duh. . .] - 04:42am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#809 of 2088)

You said a mouthful...

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 04:48am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#810 of 2088)

Oh, there are all KINDS of things you should know, but I leave you to learn them on your own.

Welcome again, and see you on the boards : )

[Sweet Leilani] - 04:53am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#811 of 2088)

Are you trying to chase me away Duh? I just got here.

Susan [sjscruby] - 09:50am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#812 of 2088)

Welcome, Leilani. ;)

[surferchicklet] - 10:25am Jan 9, 2000 EST (#813 of 2088)

Duh's not trying to chase you away, if you've been *lurking this board* for awhile you know that.

Welcome to all the newbies...

Catch us if you Can! [The Real Killers] - 04:41pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#814 of 2088)

Wow, is this what you really think about life, Liz?

Scary.

[ex-glencarr] - 05:09pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#815 of 2088)

Leilani likes to go to the beach & read? Nice! Welcome to the boards...

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:20pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#816 of 2088)

I don't think targeting Lara when she's too sick to be here defending herself is cute.

Whoever you are, grow up and stop trying to cause trouble.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:20pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#816 of 2088)

I don't think targeting Lara when she's too sick to be here defending herself is cute.

Whoever you are, grow up and stop trying to cause trouble.

[ex-glencarr] - 05:24pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#817 of 2088)

This whole place has been getting nasty lately. Why is that? How can we stop it?

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:28pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#818 of 2088)

Groan.

Hi Glen. How you doing?

[ex-glencarr] - 05:32pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#819 of 2088)

Not happy with this Liz. I'm out of here for the day anyway. I've got some work to do. Stay well.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:35pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#820 of 2088)

I get the feeling someone wants to start trouble between all the players, Glen.

Liz tries to keep her happy thoughts....

See ya later.

Susan [sjscruby] - 05:38pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#821 of 2088)

I agree with Liz on this one---NOT a cute trick by whoever...

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:39pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#822 of 2088)

I'm referring to the charming person using the nomme de guerre 'Lara Crotch'.

Nomme de guerre...that's the right way to say that, isn't it?

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 05:41pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#823 of 2088)

I swear... if that little goofball went to J.H., then I went to CalTech!

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:52pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#824 of 2088)

Yeah, yeah, yeah....

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 05:55pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#825 of 2088)

I suppose you could call this 'war' and if you do then nom de guerre would be applicable. I don't necessarily adhere to the theory this
is war, it's more of a farce, so in that case, nom de plume would probably better apply. Strictly a matter of personal choice.

As far as who is playing the part of Lara Crotch.

We ALL know who that is, and so anything she says can't be considered.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 06:04pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#826 of 2088)

I'm not interested in taking guesses at who Lara Crotch is or who Shut Up and Fish was last night. I can't be sure and refuse to worry
about it.

I don't think of it as war, nor do I even think of 'it' at all. I refuse to hold grudges or dredge up crap from last year. I have better
things to do with my time, and if someone else does not, well, that's their thing and I leave them to it.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 06:21pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#827 of 2088)

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with a Shut up and Fish. I wasn't even aware there might be a need to wonder who he or she might really
be.

I wasn't suggesting that you were at war, I assumed since you used the phrase, nom de guerre, you knew it's true meaning, "name of
war," an alias used in a time of war to protect one's identity, and so, chosen on purpose as opposed to nom de plume.

As far as crap from last year, I don't believe I've seen anyone mention anything about last year, until you just brought it up, that is.
I think everyone's pretty much just waiting to see what happens.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 06:27pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#828 of 2088)

LOLOL like it's in doubt, eh?

Catch us if you Can! [The Real Killers] - 06:36pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#829 of 2088)

Liz wrote:

> I just had an IED moment, and because I knew what was happening to me, I > was able to keep from really raging, I
was able to identify my trigger > and was able to talk it out with Lyle and i think it lasted way shorter > than usual
because of it : ) > > Aren't I good? > > But...I realize too now that there is a seductive side to IED. (In > fact, I think I may
still be in the middle of it.) There is a > seductiveness to anger, isn't there? For me, anger feels *good*. It > feels
like...ennervating somehow. > > Feeling a little manic...gonna watch myself for a bit and see how this > plays out now
that I know what it is.

Is this woman a mother? Can anyone report her to child protective services? I think she sounds very dangerous.

[Innocence personified] - 07:17pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#830 of 2088)

I've been a lurker for a while and never been moved to post before but now I see something I have some knowledge of so I feel I can
contribute.

IED:

Intermittant Explosive Disorder

Another Psychobabble disease for people who refuse to control themselves.

Some famous people who have suffered this disease:

Lizzie Borden, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charlie Manson, The Unibomer, Hitler and several teenaged people who have given birth then put
their child in a plastic bag then dumped it in a dumpster. Teenaged boys who have stormed their highschools with bombs and
shotguns and those mothers who have attempted to have their daughter's opponents in cheerleading competitions, killed.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 08:24pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#831 of 2088)

I wasn't suggesting that you were at war, I assumed since you used the phrase, nom de guerre, you knew it's true
meaning, "name of war," an alias used in a time of war to protect one's identity, and so, chosen on purpose as opposed
to nom de plume.

I actually thought it meant a name someone uses when in hiding, but not related specifically to war, like pseudonym.

Susan [sjscruby] - 08:30pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#832 of 2088)

Innocence...thanx for sharing. Feel free to go back to lurking. ;)

I'm NOT your type - I've still got a pulse! [freeindividual] - 08:58pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#833 of 2088)

Hot damn, never too old to learn sumpin new'n exciting.

IED:

Intermittant Explosive Disorder

Nice fancy new title for someone with a short fuze. LOL

I might not give the answer that you want me to... [hoeker] - 09:01pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#834 of 2088)

Whew...

I thought it meant Incurable Erectile Dysfunction.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 09:05pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#835 of 2088)

A scary thought for any man, hoeker. *wry g*

However, not having a d***, it wouldn't have applied to me.

I'm NOT your type - I've still got a pulse! [freeindividual] - 09:05pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#836 of 2088)

My first thought when I saw the initials was to wonder if it was a new type enema. The ice water one's getting old. *G*

I might not give the answer that you want me to... [hoeker] - 09:07pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#837 of 2088)

Free...

Maybe it's time to change the ice.

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 09:09pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#838 of 2088)

I don't have that dysfunction, but I do have SRS.
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 09:15pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#839 of 2088)

I know you have told me what that means before, but I forgot....

[surferchicklet] - 09:26pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#840 of 2088)

I thought it was *C.R.A.F.T.*, Cooter..*S*

IP... Excellent definition...

Lurker or poster, welcome...

hoeker...

ROTFL

Don't know, Liz... I don't have one *of my own*, but it could still affect me..LOL

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 10:36pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#841 of 2088)

All together now, one, two three....

"awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww..."

Get a life, little girl. Quit trying to live everyone else's.

I'll give you this shiny new penny if you go away. [billytea] - 10:39pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#842 of 2088)

Hey Sherrie, I saw that quote on the X Files last night: "All truths begin as heresies and end as superstitions."

Amazing where these things pop up. J

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 10:40pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#843 of 2088)

Yep, Billy, I agree completely.

The truth is out there.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 10:46pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#844 of 2088)

Did someone sh__ in someone's corn flakes this morning?

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 10:49pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#845 of 2088)

I actually thought it meant a name someone uses when in hiding, but not related specifically to war, like pseudonym.

Guerre is French for "war."

Hence: Nom (name) de (of) guerre (war)

The French revolutionaries, resistance and underground members used a nom de guerre to protect their families and themselves
from being known.

There was also a Frenchman who invented a photographic technique that is called a Deguerrite, forerunner to the tintypes,
although his name means "of war" other than that, I can't think of a thing that relates that piece of useless knowledge with war or a
nom de. LOL just another piece of useless knowledge I picked up somewhere.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 10:50pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#846 of 2088)

LOLOL apparently so, Spoonie.

The poor little thing just knows we are a big bad buncha racists.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 10:53pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#847 of 2088)

Sherry; You still got Mark Lindsey's pony tail in your freezer?

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 10:54pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#848 of 2088)

I will not be harassed anymore. You will not email me pretending to be my friend and then come here posting bs
about me.

Considering your lack of truthfulness in the past, Duffy, suppose you name names instead of hint that something like this actually
did happen.

You will not be able to spy on me to see if I’m online - when I should not be on your damn list anyway.

LOLOL a leetle paranoid, are we? LOLOL Are you online as Duffy or as Wicked Witch, or as Nellsy or what? You are a bit skittish, aren't
you. Take a chill pill.

You will not create characters trying to impersonate me impersonating others.

No one creates characters trying to impersonate your impersonations. There are no room for anymore characters after you are done
making yours.

I’ll tell you this, if I create a character, I make sure to play a BLACK person.

Right, sure you do Duffy. AFTER eveyone has figured out who you are, then you cop to being black. Before that you don't say a word.
Besides, I don't believe you are black. I think you're making it up so you can scream 'racist' when people call you on your BS.

Quit acting like a spoiled little brat. Get a job and support your parents. LOLOL

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:00pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#849 of 2088)

Mark Lindsay's ponytial, LOLOLOL, it is enclosed in three baggies in a trunk, along with a towel I walked OVER twenty women to grab
when Mick Jagger threw it at a concert, the Village Voice from the week of Woodstock and various and sundry other mementoes of
my varied experiences.

What a MEMORY you have, spoonie.

[_maggie_] - 11:04pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#850 of 2088)

I'm a little nervous about the answer to this question but...............

Mark Lindsay's ponytial, LOLOLOL, it is enclosed in three baggies in a trunk

How did you get it?

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:06pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#851 of 2088)

Sherry: have you checked out page six of Duh's picture emporium?

Susan [sjscruby] - 11:07pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#852 of 2088)

LOL, Maggie---I was about to ask the same thing, but I wasn't sure I wanted the answer. *ggg*

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:21pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#853 of 2088)

Oh LOLOLOL, well, in the sixties Dick Clark had this beach show that was on KABC after Dark Shadows called "Where the Action Is."
The putative stars were Paul Revere and the Raiders, and Mark Lindsay was their lead singer. He was the love of my life when I was
sixteen doncha know. And they had a contest, and the winner got to cut off Mark Lindsay's pony tail and keep it.

And I won. And cut off his ponytail cryin the whole time, the whole thing is on some video somewhere that will get dragged out and
shown across the country should I ever get famous for anything.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 11:22pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#854 of 2088)

Guess I could refresh occasionally. LOLOL

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:22pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#855 of 2088)

not long enough though. Hmph.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:24pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#856 of 2088)

SherryG: you still live on the West Coast?

Susan [sjscruby] - 11:25pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#857 of 2088)

lol---LOVE the edit feature.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:25pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#858 of 2088)

Yep, I do. In between Malibu and Santa Barbara.

[_maggie_] - 11:26pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#859 of 2088)

uh...thanks, Sher....I thought it was something innocent like that...nothing else even crossed my mind....nope....no sireesir.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:26pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#860 of 2088)

Many a year ago, I used to fly in the AF and when we crew rested West of the Miss. River, I could catch Elvira on the tube. She still on
the air out that way?

I was always smittened by her.

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 11:27pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#861 of 2088)

Yeah, I have CRAFT also. SRS is Sperm Retention Syndrome. ;-)


"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:29pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#862 of 2088)

Cooter: Ooooo...my condolences man. Here, it is often called "white out". Sorry ladies, I forgot myself.

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 11:30pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#863 of 2088)

Between Malibu and Santa Barbara... wouldn't that be Ventura?

Hey Lara... get any mail lately? ;-)

Susan [sjscruby] - 11:31pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#864 of 2088)

ewwwwwwwwwwww...SRS sounds REALLY bad, Cooter. *ggg*

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:34pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#865 of 2088)

Spoonie, Darlin...Just for you...

Elvira, Mistress of the Dark

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 11:35pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#866 of 2088)

Hey Ricco,

I haven't picked up mail in quite a while.

Guess I'll go look, here in a bit.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:35pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#867 of 2088)

Actually she had a special out here New Year's Eve that was a hoot.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:41pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#868 of 2088)

Thanks Sherry. What a lift. I'm jeolous that we can't get her program locally. Her on air Boy Toy was Breather. He played Jombie on
PeeWee Herman's old program.

She still has it. MoJo that is.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:43pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#869 of 2088)

There is a movie out on Video, Spoon, called, interestingly enough, Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. It is screamingly funny.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:45pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#870 of 2088)

Seen it three times. I liked the poodle "Algonckuan"(sp?) After the big tree variety.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:47pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#871 of 2088)

I truly believe that if there had never been an Elvira there would never have been a Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Which, in the Joel chapters, was the best TV I ever saw.


All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:48pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#872 of 2088)

Algonquin, which was a famous new york hotel in the early 1900 famous for the round table.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 11:50pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#873 of 2088)

McDuffy: . You will not email me or instant message me pretending to be my friend and then come here posting bs about me...so I have to BLOCK
certain stupid people's email from my account AND fix my account so you cannot spy on me.

Listen, little girl, the only times I have ever e-mailed you were in response to your e-mails to me, in which you asked for my
counsel. I gave it, and tried to be sympathetic. I have never sent you an instant message. Given that you're being non-specific in
whom you are presuming to lecture, but given that I'm extensively quoted in your recap of posts, I'll have to assume you've directed
your diatribe at me as well. I'm highly offended to be accused or lectured to by you. This has nothing to do with your race and
everything to do with your childish behavior.

That is ALL I will say.

If only.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:50pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#874 of 2088)

MST3000 is still on here and there. On the dish somewhere.

As a kid in NJ, we had Zachary and the like out of NY. Hoots and more Hoots. Plus campy monster and spooky movies.

Well BBC news is about over so I'll take my leave and wish you all a great evening and a nice day tomorrow.

cheers.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 11:56pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#875 of 2088)

Well now, that clears everything up. LOLOL

Where's that rubber chicken when you need it? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 11:56pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#876 of 2088)

Would SOMEBODY give that child her binkie and put her back in the crib?

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 11:57pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#877 of 2088)

Sarge, your bad...hehehehe.

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 11:59pm Jan 9, 2000 EST (#878 of 2088)

Duf...

No one gives a fig for your race, your sex, your age, your socio-economic background, your emotional and physical health or any
other aspect you've blamed things on. It's you.

It has always been your behavior. Your insistance that the world STOP and watch you. ANYONE who utters an opinion here had best
be prepared that someone will disagree. You better get used to that.

Your little diatribe the last few nights is exactly why you got the cooling off period before.

You've already expressed several different "personalities" here since your arrival, from naive college grad to mother of children to
not mother of children to old homeless lady on the dole. And others. You've admitted to "lying" about two them.

So give it a rest about how mean I am, how insensitive everyone is to your plight and how you not liked for your race.

If you're simply being a spoiled brat, stop it. If you truly do have some psychological issues to deal with, then this is the absolute
LAST place you should be, since your lack of impulse control only creates more problems for you.

Dave McLemore/TIME Online

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:01am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#879 of 2088)

I'll give her a binkie she won't soon forget.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 12:03am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#880 of 2088)

Maaaaaybe I'll stay up for this.;-}

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 12:04am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#881 of 2088)

Now you're in BIG trouble Dave! LOL

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:07am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#882 of 2088)

LOLOL poor guy is shakin in his shoes, no doubt.

Quit sniveling, McDuffy, and go play with someone your own age.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 12:07am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#883 of 2088)

Please someone advise. Is this a caniption or hissy fit? Perhaps snit is more apprapo.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:09am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#884 of 2088)

Oh no, the dreaded Higher Authority!

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:09am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#885 of 2088)

Be my guest.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:10am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#886 of 2088)

Try to put it on a link that WORKS though. You seem to have a lot of trouble with that.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:12am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#887 of 2088)

This would be a hissy fit, Spoonbill, the caniption was the long list of posts she just did. LOL I'm waiting for full meltdown.

Wake me if I nod off. LOLOL

[_maggie_] - 12:12am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#888 of 2088)

Oh no, the dreaded Higher Authority!

May I be the higher authority tonight?

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 12:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#889 of 2088)

This is BIGTIME hissy all the way, spoon! LOL

I'll give you this shiny new penny if you go away. [billytea] - 12:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#890 of 2088)

McDuffy, I don't post on here much, but if I can make one observation, the nature of the Politics board is argumentative and critical.
As Dave mentioned, if you post here you can pretty much expect that someone's going to disagree. You can also pretty much expect
that someone's going to be less than polite about it.

The point is that it's not hard to ascertain that'll be the case before you post anything. The few times I hve turned up here I've done
so in the full expectation that I'll cop some flak, and I've accepted that risk.

I don't know the history of your problems with this place, and I wouldn't dream of attaching blame. But I would suggest that if
you're upset, you always have the option of just getting out of it all. If you find the place to be hostile, why do you stay? It's just
going to make you more upset. This board isn't about to change its nature. And frankly, I think most of its participants prefer the
more frank environment.

This is, in a sense, a commercial product (basically PR for Time). It serves the needs of certain individuals. If it's congenial to your
needs, then great. If not, you can always switch brands. In this situation, you've got pretty much all the freedom of choice.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#891 of 2088)

Higher authority? LOLOL

Doesn't that little fat kid Carmen on South Park always say that.

LOL Higher Authority. LOL you going to go to Jesus or God, Duffy?

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:16am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#892 of 2088)

Mairsy doats and doesy doats and liddle lambsydivy...

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:17am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#893 of 2088)

Exellent observations, billytea.

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 12:18am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#894 of 2088)

Oh, THAT helps, Sher.

Let's give Duff time to cool down.

DaveGin

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:19am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#895 of 2088)

::::whistling:::::

Hummm hummm hummm, de dumm, LOL okay, I was piling on.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:20am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#896 of 2088)

Apparently it hasn't occurred to her that I LIKE that picture and sent it to everybody.

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 12:21am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#897 of 2088)

You mean you don't send out photos of your family as an insult?

Boy, that's strange.

davegin

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:22am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#898 of 2088)

Well, Dave, I'm just silly that way.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:24am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#899 of 2088)

Maggie, I think you'd make an excellent Higher Authority, especially when you wear the red and yellow feathered headdress.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:27am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#900 of 2088)

At the risk of duly earned wrath, didn't "we" give her time to cool of, just recently?

I mean, she doesn't seem to cool down, no matter what you do, so I was thinking, maybe we could just heat er up a bit til we achieve
meltdown then maybe she'll return as a human.

I've heard meltdown can be cathartic.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:27am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#901 of 2088)

so do I, hon, flail away.

By the way, if I ever called you a honky I will state right now that I was way outta line and I sincerely apologize.

Mmmmmphheheheheheh...

[_maggie_] - 12:28am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#902 of 2088)

Maggie, I think you'd make an excellent Higher Authority, especially when you wear the red and yellow feathered headdress.

Why thank you, Robbie. It goes particularly well with my deep blue pareo and rubbah slippa.

Just lemme know when you want me to step in. The volcano is ready to go.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:28am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#903 of 2088)

I've never called anyone a honky. I do call Maggie a damn haole, however.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:29am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#904 of 2088)

Time for da kine, Maggie, you damn haole Higher Authority wahine, you!

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:30am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#905 of 2088)

Uh, Mag, that doesn't work unless yer a VIRGIN.

Keywords: Greasing Train, Latex Fist, Choker Pants [billytea] - 12:32am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#906 of 2088)

McDuffy, as noted before, being unfamiliar with the history of this dispute I'm not about to get into all that. But I do note that your
post is directed towards explaining why you're justified in holding your current position. I'd regard that as a separate issue from
why you should continue to post here if it gets you so upset.

Or, to put it another way, if you're right, I still don't understand why you hang around to cop more abuse.

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 12:32am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#907 of 2088)

The "Honky" post was removed before I replied to Hank, McDuff. Do a search.

Frankly, I don't find "honky" as degrading and insulting as the "N" word or some other racial epithets, which have no place on these
boards. But Hank likes to get worked up into a snit now and then.

You are not being discriminated again. If so, you wouldn't be back. But you're demonstrating that your prime interest is nursing old
hurts, letting them fester and keep picking at them so you'll have something to do.

Again, if you're being bratty and confrontational on purpose, knock it off. If there's psycho-physical reasons, this is not where you
need to be to begin recovery.

You're going to be held responsible for your actions, whether you like it or not. The choice is yours.

dave mclemore/time online

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:32am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#908 of 2088)

Anyone ever wonder why she hasn't tripped over her tongue long before this. LOLOL I mean, come on, this is definitely not the
brightest bulb in the lamp.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:34am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#909 of 2088)

Dave, wanna borrow the Kevlar vest?

Or maybe the diamond bra? Richochets make the prettiest prisms...

[_maggie_] - 12:34am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#910 of 2088)

ok....*getting out the old kamaaina curses*

McDuffy........Ha ili ili molia heoheo, ka i ka ino, pilau! PAU!

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:37am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#911 of 2088)

Ahem...

May you grow up to become rich and famous.

And may you own one thousand houses.

And may each house have one thousand bedrooms.

And may each bedroom have one thousand beds.

And may you writhe with malaria in each and every one of em.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:37am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#912 of 2088)

I never called anyone honky either. Unless, of course, it was followed by "toad." I think you can find I'm correct by using the search
feature. LOLOL

Oh uh Dave, looks like duffy's threatening to go straight to God about you. LOL

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 12:37am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#913 of 2088)

Oh Geeze; the soil is begining to swell and seize here in Hooterville.

Hmm..funny cloud formations and shapes too.


Susan [sjscruby] - 12:38am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#914 of 2088)

I've never used the term honky either (till now).

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:39am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#915 of 2088)

Ye gawds, Maggie, you sent a strong, stinky duct-tape storm upon her?

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:39am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#916 of 2088)

LOLOL Dave, NOW aren't you sorry you made this thread immortal?

[_maggie_] - 12:39am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#917 of 2088)

Yeah...well...I'm a little rusty.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:40am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#918 of 2088)

Hey you can do anything, long as you've got duct tape and neosporin.

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:40am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#919 of 2088)

omigawd...NOT the duct-tape curse????

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:41am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#920 of 2088)

and actifed.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:41am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#921 of 2088)

Hell, Maggie, I thought you did a GREAT job!

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:42am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#922 of 2088)

LOLOLOLOL here's the binkie, honeypie, now toddle back to the crib, that's a good little girl.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:44am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#923 of 2088)

Maggie, I can't translate heoheo, which is the word I decided must mean duct.

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 12:44am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#924 of 2088)

Then post opinions. Or thoughts. Or whatever.

But the whiny, "You ALL hate me" routine has grown tedious. You've spent more time complaining about how poorly you've been
treated than given opinions.

Stop that and you'll see most of the opposition stop. But not the disagreement. That goes on forever.

DaveGin

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:45am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#925 of 2088)

Actually it should be dayodayo and it causes Harry Belafonte to show up and throw bananas at ya.

[_maggie_] - 12:46am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#926 of 2088)

I thought you did a GREAT job!

Yeah but she's still talking. Damned duct tape!

We'll try this again...Robbie...use the drums...

Duff...pay attention....Ili kapu, anoho kapu moe, humu paehumu hai hehe'e ke eki e olelo kama'ilio....PAU!

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:46am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#927 of 2088)

LOL well duffy, who'd want to drive you a way? LOL you're more entertainment than a whole flock of one legged turtles.

As far as discrimination goes, it's near impossible to get imagined discrimination to stop. In your case you've imagined it all.

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 12:46am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#928 of 2088)

That was a year ago, Duff. A year ago.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:46am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#929 of 2088)

Ah, thanks, Sherrie. I knew there must be an explanation.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:47am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#930 of 2088)

Repeat after me, Duffy.

Nobody likes me
Everybody hates me
I'm going out and eat worms...

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:47am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#930 of 2088)

Repeat after me, Duffy.

Nobody likes me
Everybody hates me
I'm going out and eat worms...

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:48am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#931 of 2088)

*beating drums in some sort of misunderstood Jawaiian style*

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:49am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#932 of 2088)

Ooga chaka, ooga ooga, ooga chaka...

[_maggie_] - 12:50am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#933 of 2088)

ok...now we're getting it.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:50am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#934 of 2088)

If a guy from Jamaica marries a woman from Hawaii do we get Jawaiian?

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 12:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#935 of 2088)

My God... I've never seen anything like this!

This chick is truly f*cked up. I mean I don't think she's just trying to be a pain in the ass for kicks... there's some serious psychosis
here.

All over the map, figure that. [Snake] - 12:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#936 of 2088)

McDuffy,

Not knowing the history, the rules say there is no obligation for this forum to be monitored. Is it possible Dave missed that post. Did
you point it out to him at the time? Did you save it? Not taking sides here, just asking.

Sorry about your grandmother, I lost mine about the same time.

Keywords: Greasing Train, Latex Fist, Choker Pants [billytea] - 12:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#937 of 2088)

I will not be driven away. And I won't be discriminated against.

Well, as long as you're willing to accept that it's likely to be one or the other, at least for the foreseeable future. I don't see the
current dynamics changing in a hurry.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 12:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#938 of 2088)

Hey; With the heaving soil, my boat is sinking into an abyss of lava before my very eyes. Oh no, Keeerrrist, please redirect your
drums.


[_maggie_] - 12:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#939 of 2088)

That or a Hamaican.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:52am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#940 of 2088)

Maybe the duct tape goes over her mouth?

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:53am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#941 of 2088)

Anyone care for some spearmint gum?

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:53am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#942 of 2088)

Hamaican?

Now yer talking, pass some over here.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:53am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#943 of 2088)

Wow, Maggie, you're really heaping them on her. You sewed shut her what?

Auwe.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 12:55am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#944 of 2088)

::::Sherrie, HOWLING with laughter, running for the john:::::

[_maggie_] - 12:55am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#945 of 2088)

You sewed shut her what?

That's right. And if she doesn't stop it I'm gonna sew the other one shut too.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:56am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#946 of 2088)

Not "WHAT", Robbie you're close but you are missing a "T"


It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:56am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#946 of 2088)

Not "WHAT", Robbie you're close but you are missing a "T"

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 12:57am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#947 of 2088)

I know, Lara, but that's one of the words the cyber nanny gets.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 12:59am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#948 of 2088)

Yeah, but ve haf vays, LOLOLOL

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 01:00am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#949 of 2088)

19 more posts and this thread gets the heave ho?

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:01am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#950 of 2088)

McDuffy: Wardaddy said similar things about the murder of his daughter in law being made fun of.

*sigh*

Wardaddy's daughter-in-law wasn't murdered, Duff. OJ was responding to Wardaddy on some thread about violence against cops, or
federal agents, or somebody, and OJ, noting that Wardaddy's daughter-in-law is an FBI officer said something like, "Well how would
you feel if your daughter-in-law were murdered blah blah blah..." and Wardaddy chose to interpret that as a threat on his
daughter-in-law. It wasn't. It was a "what if" question.

[_maggie_] - 01:03am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#951 of 2088)

Dang it! *furiously paging through the spell book*

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:03am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#952 of 2088)

See? Now her basis for comparison is shot down the tubes. Whatever will she use now?

Let's watch and see.

All over the map, figure that. [Snake] - 01:04am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#953 of 2088)

McDuffy,

I’m new here but you seem perfectly normal to me so far. If someone said that to you, it shows more about them, and other can see
that even if they don’t say it. I’ve noticed it pretty "this side vs. that side" in here so I’m not likely to have many friends either, I’m
all over the map.

Keep your chin up, and knock-em back.


We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:05am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#954 of 2088)

Well, Lara, now we know. She just dismisses contrary evidence.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:07am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#955 of 2088)

McDuffy, I must have missed the "honky" post, but I'm confused by what has you so exercised about it. It seems to me the only people
who might take offense at it would be white people. You take great pains to let us all know you're black. So why are you offended by
it?

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 01:07am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#956 of 2088)

I think I just heard the Generation X national anthem. Nite.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:08am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#957 of 2088)

Ooop, the ole "in your face with nonsense."

She shoots she misses.

Cornered now, faced with the shocking truth, will she fall back on the race thingie or will she admit she based her entire argument
on something that just didn't happen?

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:09am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#958 of 2088)

So Spoonbill, did you get your boat righted?

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:10am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#959 of 2088)

Are we starting a betting pool, Lara?

Keywords: Greasing Train, Latex Fist, Choker Pants [billytea] - 01:10am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#960 of 2088)

As long as I'm dishing out the advice (how very thoughtful of me), could I suggest something along the same lines to the other
posters here? Even if you guys are right, why get McDuffy riled up again? She's not about to change her position either. It seems to
just encourage further hostilities.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 01:11am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#961 of 2088)

Just in the nick of time too. Maggie got her MoJo off-frequency side splatter tuned and I sail on the next tide.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:11am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#962 of 2088)

Yeah Robbie and the paper is being circulated as we speak. Just pick a square, $5 a square and I'll draw times as soon as it's full.

There's another going around where you just put down the exact time you think the RACE card will be played. That one's $10 a guess.
Person coming closest to, without going over, wins.

Batter up.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:12am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#963 of 2088)

oooooooooooh she's using the sidesplatter.

Whoa wow, Spoonbill, you're very lucky to be alive. LOLOL

[_maggie_] - 01:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#964 of 2088)

Ok....*glistening profusely* Duffy....hold this piece of lava and stand on one foot.

Pupule mea loa. Kulikuli pahuluhope!!! PAU!

Keywords: Greasing Train, Latex Fist, Choker Pants [billytea] - 01:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#965 of 2088)

1000 - it's the New Millennium.

(Sorry guys, I missed a few milestones on other threads and wanted to claim one for my very own.)

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#966 of 2088)

Billytea, that's darned good advice and I'd take it except that I've followed that path before. What that gets us is McDuffy spamming
across several threads, hijacking them for the purpose of demanding "Pay attention to me!" So now we are.

No questions asked! [Blackricco] - 01:14am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#967 of 2088)

I so agree Billytea... just ignore this little fool! She'll eventually get bored, and move on.

It won't be any fun for her without the interaction or confrontation.

Totally ignore her... she'll be gone in a couple of days.

[_maggie_] - 01:15am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#968 of 2088)

Sorry Spoonbill. I'll work on my aim. *g*

Keywords: Greasing Train, Latex Fist, Choker Pants [billytea] - 01:16am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#969 of 2088)

Ah well, my work here is done. Happy New Year everyone.
J



It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:16am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#970 of 2088)

Nah Billy, it doesn't matter whether you ignore her or engage her, she does exactly the same. She's taken over entire threads
whining. When no one responded she just upped the complaints.

So, most respond for fun.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:18am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#971 of 2088)

Holy smoke, Maggie, you did sew the other one shut!



"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 01:18am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#972 of 2088)

Maggie: Your aim is fine. You'll need to repair, however, your regulated power supply and replace the damaged occilator and you'll
be in the pink for the next whammy generation.

[_maggie_] - 01:19am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#973 of 2088)

Oh ye of little faith.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:20am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#974 of 2088)

No Ricco, that's a nice theory but it is a theory that has been tested and it doesn't work.

If you ignore her she has a hissy demanding that you stop ignoring her. If you talk to her she'll find a way to get ticked at
something you say. If you try to befriend her it won't be long before she turns on you for some imagined slight.

This race thing is new for her, though. It's like someone told her that if she started screaming about race then Dave wouldn't toss
her as easily because he'd be afraid of being called a racist and we wouldn't insult her quite as much for fear of being called racists.

Any way you want to look at it, she's one self-centered, spoiled, self-indulgent little brat.

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 01:21am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#975 of 2088)

Maggie: My X wife has a occilator she hasn't been using. Shall I talk her out of it for you?

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:22am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#976 of 2088)

[_maggie_] - 01:13am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#999 of 1009) Ok....*glistening profusely* Duffy....hold this piece of lava and
stand on one foot.

Pupule mea loa. Kulikuli pahuluhope!!! PAU!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:22am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#977 of 2088)

'Oe pu'hi nu'i loa pakalolo! 'Oe ho'ohehe'e ilo'ko ka'hi e'le'e'le popoki! PAU!!

[_maggie_] - 01:23am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#978 of 2088)

Shall I talk her out of it for you?

Why, yes. Mahalo nui. *g* I have another one around here someplace but ya can't have too many.

[_maggie_] - 01:24am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#979 of 2088)

Aaaeeiiii! Robbiegirl....that one's dangerous. DUCK everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The Cong Don't Surf..." [spoonbill] - 01:24am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#980 of 2088)

BE carefull with those words Ladies, things here are still a little unsettled.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:25am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#981 of 2088)

uno pokey cabinar

kumon ahwanah lei yah

Oooh eee oooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang

em eye see, kay ee why, em oh you es ee.

Whew, that's alll the ones I know. LOLOL

[_maggie_] - 01:26am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#982 of 2088)

Just don't try this at home, kids. You HAVE to know what you're doing.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:27am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#983 of 2088)

Oh dang, I forgot to light the pipe. Jeesh those will never work without the pipe.

hold on. LOLOL

Okay here we go again

uno pokey cabinar

kumon ahwanah lei yah

Oooh eee oooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang

em eye see, kay ee why, em oh you es ee

Anyone see smoke?

[_maggie_] - 01:30am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#984 of 2088)

Yes, lara, I DO see smoke!

.

.

.

.

.

Oh shit! Wait a minute! I dumped an ashtray in the rubbish basket. *running to get water*

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:31am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#985 of 2088)

We dun NEED no steenkin batches, mon.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:33am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#986 of 2088)

Yikes, Lara, watch where you're aiming those things!

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:34am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#987 of 2088)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Soooooo, (looking around the corner, carefully) Looks like one of those spells did the trick.

Pounding on wood, of course. LOL Keep that pouch of ground gopher's teeth and bat zest handy though.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:35am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#988 of 2088)

Hey, easy. LOL I been sick, my aim is off.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:36am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#989 of 2088)

LOLOL sure yer aim is off but HEY look at the purty trails...

[_maggie_] - 01:38am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#990 of 2088)

I don't know about you all but I've GOT to sit down. This curse stuff wears a gal out.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:39am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#991 of 2088)

Boy I bet its a cold day in hell before ol GW gets the bright idea to start another "Introduce Yourself" thread.

Although, given his track record, I may be a bit premature.


All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:40am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#992 of 2088)

I gotta learn the language thing.

[_maggie_] - 01:41am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#993 of 2088)

Hey...how's our libby doing? Anyone heard from her?

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:42am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#994 of 2088)

yeah it was hard going there for a while. LOL Up and down with the lead changing hands frequently. But we knew you could do it,
Maggie.

A happy ending, LOL pat yerself on the back when you catch your breath. LOLOLOL

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:42am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#995 of 2088)

Maggie, you've done the work of ali'i.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:44am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#996 of 2088)

Mu'uhhammad Ali'i.

Float like a plumeria, sting like a poison oak.

[_maggie_] - 01:45am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#997 of 2088)

Why thank you, thank you.....thank you.....*wiping a tear, smiling and bowing.....modestly, of course*

You guys weren't so bad yerselves. *wild applause*

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:47am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#998 of 2088)

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:44am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1031 of 1033) Mu'uhhammad Ali'i.

Float like a plumeria, sting like a poison oak.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ohman I've stayed up wayyyyyy too late just because a couple of you were on a magnificent roll tonight and I just couldn't tear
myself away to go to bed. LOLOLOL

But on that last belly laugh I'm going to have to call it a night.

Thanks for the laughs, guys. LOL

[_maggie_] - 01:48am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#999 of 2088)

Good night, lara. Sweet sleep.

Ahui hou.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:49am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1000 of 2088)

Ahh, it's time for the freeze anyway.

[_maggie_] - 01:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1001 of 2088)

You're right, Sher. Niters everyone. Sleep well. See ya tomorrow, same time, same station.

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 01:54am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1002 of 2088)

Nite, Lara, Nite, Maggie. Remind me never to unleash you on the undeserving.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 01:54am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1003 of 2088)

Same Bat-Time.

Same Bat-Station.

Biff! Ooof! Zap! Pau!

[_maggie_] - 01:58am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1004 of 2088)

My favorite one was from the Outer Limits...."We now return control of your television set..."

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 02:57am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1005 of 2088)

Oh me, oh my, I just read from Post #900 forward...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*wiping eyes*

May I be president of the Island Maggie Fan Club?

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:41am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1006 of 2088)

Don't know, Liz... I don't have one *of my own*, but it could still affect me..LOL

g* I have a pet one. Does that count? ; )

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:51am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1007 of 2088)

Never try to tell me that I act like a child. You guys are twice, 3x my age.

I was just thinking that same thing.

Weird thing is, I have spoken to some of these people on the phone, and you would never in a million years guess...but then I would
never have behaved rl the way I used to online either.

There's a weird psychology to the internet. But Duff, you have to learn not to let them know when they are bugging you, doll. And
you have to learn that everything is not about color, either. They aren't attacking you because of your color. They're doing it
because you make it so much fun.

As for ICQ...get a new number and when you are online, set your status to invisible. Make sure when you register the new number
that people have to be authorized by you to add you to their contact list. If you are on AOL, set up your privacy features so NO ONE can
see when you are online or not.

And be a little more discerning about the way you throw your trust around.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 05:52am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1008 of 2088)

LOL just another piece of useless knowledge I picked up somewhere.

No, its good to know. I hate misusing phrases like that.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 06:15am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1009 of 2088)

Duffy, I agree that there is a bias and that it is unfair. However, it isn't going to change. There is no higher authority on the TIME
boards than Dave. Lara said it herself...you are great entertainment. STOP being so. Get used to the idea that it ain't fair and simply
refuse to play. I did, and they moved on. I'm sorry it was to you.

Don't shame yourself by being their toy, Duff. If I were you, and frankly, I have been, kind of, I would leave for a while. You seem as
addicted to hearing the latest nasty as they are to giving it to you.

You know what your truth is. You know what has happened and what hasn't...do you honestly believe being angry is going to make
anyone else change their behavior? Do you believe even for a minute that any of them give a rat's rear about what is true or not? Do
you believe for a minute that anything you say to them or about them will make any difference?

If so, you are sadly deluded, girlfriend. I know. I've been there. And I am telling you MOVE ON. There are plenty of beebobs on this
board for them to batten on when you do. Then you can get superior and tell the new poor joe how they just need to walk away. ; )

Because I promise you...fair don't count here. Some people are too unhealthy to change...they just want to make snide remarks about
your own mental health. You can't change THEM, Duff. You can only change how you handle them.



http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 06:23am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1010 of 2088)

Just because this site is online doesn't make it okay for the owners to advocate or accept discrimination and
favoritism. You even said it yourself Liz.

But the fact that it is privately owned DOES. Duffy, this is a free forum and the people who own it can run it anyway they want. It
isn't fair, but I assure you it is legal.

Duffy, you are at least 21. It is time for you to understand that sometimes, just because a thing is unfair doesn't mean you can change
it. Sometimes you can't.

Instead, for you to be happy and peaceful you have to learn that sometimes, you just have to find a way to work around it. It sucks,
it's wrong and it is still an absolute.

Or...you can use the forum the same way some others here do. Harp and bitch and moan and enjoy it when you manage to hurt
someone really badly. Crow about your prowess and ability to cause others pain. Gloat over the treachery you were able to
perpetrate. Go out of your way to join a group of adults who like to gang up on people and use the same excuse they do...someone
annoyed you. It doesn't matter if you are brilliant and could be doing so much more with your brain than digging up petty insults.
You never have to worry about growing up or looking at the way your behavior genuinely affects others because hey...you are part
of a group of people who tell you it's all ok. You can hide behind the group acceptance of your monumental cruelty and immaturity.

Don't like the way that sounds? Well, that's where you're heading if you keep playing these games. STOP PLAYING.

Now...want to talk about anything else?

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 06:29am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1011 of 2088)

Well, you're free, black and over 21. I guess you can decide for yourself what is worth fighting for.

And I'm not saying it isn't a worthy fight. I'm just saying learn to pick your battlefields. You can't win on this one.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 06:33am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1012 of 2088)

If my parents would've accepted all the garbage people tried to give them, I can't even imagine...

DUFFY! Shut UP about the allusions to your black history! Yes, your parents were fighting a worthy battle, and no...it couldn't have
been easy. But do you for a MINUTE really believe this fight here...over whose insults get to stand, who gets to get away with being
nasty means a hill of beans in the real world?

Do you for a minute really equate the silliness of this board to your parents struggle for equality? Geez Duff...a little perspective! You
don't have to fight every fight because you're black. You don't have to do anything because you're black.

You want to continue playing these games, go ahead, but for god's sake have the decency NOT to allude to the struggle for civil
rights, where people died for something REALLY worth fighting for, as your excuse.

Duff..I like you, I really do. But you have to cut it out or accept the fact that you are choosing this, and you are getting what you ask
for, and it isn't because you are black, it is because you asked for it.

Good night.

http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7368 [Liz_] - 06:38am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1013 of 2088)

And lastly..I'm a little miffed at the condescension of suggesting I am unaware of what it means to need to fight. YOU try being a
child locked in a world where if you open your mouth, you get hit, where if you cry when you get hit you get hit harder.

You deal with rape, and incest and child abuse, and then fight your way out of silence, a silence that was beaten into you. YOU fight
for the right to like yourself. You fight for a voice, for the feeling you have a right to live, to be clean. THEN talk to me about what it
means to fight, Duffy.

Fight ANY fight of your own and stop resting on the laurels of those who fought before you, and condescend to me then. Until then,
I am a little miffed and have to walk away from this to go find my balance again.

Your Ad could go here. [CooterBrown] - 07:14am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1014 of 2088)

There are more black posters here than you think, Duffy. Most of them get along fine.


"Truth is the highest thing that man may keep." [Shroom] - 07:59am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1015 of 2088)

WOW!!!

What you miss when you go to bed early!

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 08:18am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1016 of 2088)

McDuffy,

Don't let the morons rattle you, you can't change them anyway, they're morons, write them off as such and let it go at that.

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 09:46am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1017 of 2088)

Gee, it just breaks my heart to see Liz and McDuffy having this little spat.

Because they deserve each other more than any two people ever deserved each other in the history of the world.

Kiss and make up, girls, you were born to be a team.

One of the smart monkeys… [guy montag] - 09:54am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1018 of 2088)

Kinda like a psychotic Laverne and Shirley, eh?

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 10:00am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1019 of 2088)

Well, my error. I thought Duffy was citing OJ's message as having occurred on January 1999.

Other than that it was removed shortly after it was brought to my attention, I have no idea what occurred with that message. Or the
context that created it. If your grandmother did die, I am sorry. But you have told several different versions of who you are, Duff,
here and on some of the other boards, it's truly hard to know what to believe.

And since you brought it up, you weren't removed because you are whiney. You were removed because, after your complaint about
Lara resulted in a message advising EVERYONE (which included you) to calm down, you blew a gasket and threatened to spam the
boards with messages about your father. Clearly you needed a cooling off period. Clearly it didn't work.

Liz gave you some very good advice. I would urge you to take it.

Dave McLemore/TIME Online

All great truths begin as Blasphemies... [SherrieG] - 10:01am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1020 of 2088)

You finally did it, McDuffy.

Congratulations.

I intend to run against Conrad. [McDuffy_] - 09:57am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1069 of 1069) How did that famous line go

Don't fire until you see the whites?

THAT is the line that will get your ass kicked out of here.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 10:31am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1021 of 2088)

Nice post mis-representation SherrieG, #1074.

You seem to have omitted a line.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 10:47am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1022 of 2088)

McDuff edited the post, Stonedollar.

My favorite part of the dialogue last night was Liz advising McDuff on how NOT to be harassed via ICQ and e-mail. TOO FUNNY!

McDuff, get some sleep -- seriously.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 10:52am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1023 of 2088)

Snow

I know what you mean.

I'm avoiding commenting further.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 10:54am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1024 of 2088)

Turn off the computer, count sheep, meditate, watch TV, or read a boring book -- just SLEEP.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 10:57am Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1025 of 2088)

McDuffy,

The correct phrase is: "I was looking for a bulletin board when I found this one".

It works for jobs and a few other things as well.

[Oregon_Jim] - 12:04pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1026 of 2088)

LMAO

[spagz] - 12:36pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1027 of 2088)

Snow,don't you mean"Duff get some help,seriously."

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:16pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1028 of 2088)

Jezzo Duffy are you still at it?

This is a bulletin board, the people here are, to all intents and purposes to you, words on a screen. A sane rational person who found
herself to be so affected by this board as to lose sleep and spend hours ranting at imagined slights would know it's time for a break,
time to quit and take a rest.

I was amazed to find myself in agreement with liz, thinking, "nice job," until - true to form, and as usual, Liz turned the
conversation around to be about herself and her "tragic, woe-is-me" life. Neverthless, a lot of what she said is true. You can rant and
rave and threaten all you want but it just isn't going to get any better for you. I don't know how you think you are going to change
things, how you are going to FORCE people to like you, how you are going to FORCE Dave not to delete your posts and threads when
they become obnoxious, how you are going to FORCE people to see it your way and how you are going to stop Dave from banning your
various names when you step over his boundaries. You are living in a fantasy world if you think you even have a chance at any of
that.

You've threatened Dave, but there isn't anything you can to do back up those threats. You think you can report him to Time and that
will make all the difference in the world, and they will force him to see things your way, but you are dead wrong. Better people than
you have tried.

You've succeeded in putting yourself out here alone by alienating everyone who ever tried to sit in your corner. You've even
managed to alienate those who;ve remained steadfast defenders in the face of strong evidence that you are a common liar.

This, right here, is as good is it gets for you, using this tact. It can get worse though. The taunting will increase in direct proportion
to your distortion of facts, whining and crying racisim. The jokes will increase in direct proportion to your rants and spams until
ultimately YOU will be banned again which will enrage you all the more and you will return under a different name, sreaming and
ranting and the taunts and jokes will increase even more. It won't get better, not the way you are going. Nothing will change, not
the way you are going. There is nothing you can do about it, nothing. The first thing you have to do is accept that and try to work
with it. You can't do anything about it. Your own actions will only cause you more irritation and aggravation, you cannot win but
you CAN cause your own mental health some serious damage.

You can't beat it. You have three options:

Settle down and behave

Continue to escalate and be prepared to take further abuse

Stop coming around entirely

But notice, not a one of those choices includes you getting whatever it is, you want. No more so than anyone else around here.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 01:16pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1029 of 2088)

McDuffy

"The correct phrase for what"

The correct phrase to use when someone threatens being ejected from a BB, fired from a job etc.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 01:24pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1030 of 2088)

Lara Croft,

Its true I don't read all the threads around here, but I've never seen any evidence that McDuffy is a liar.

McDuffy,

Have a couple of drinks, torch a doobie, get some sleep.

There is nothing on any BB worth getting that upset about.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:36pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1031 of 2088)

Well, Stonedollar, if you haven't read all the threads then it's understandable that you probably have missed the threads where she's
lied, or you just didn't know the truth so you didn't know it was a lie.

Oh She's lied, she's lied about quite a few things. Her versions of stories have changed so many times it would be charitable to call
them just lies. Her distortions of events can't be called anything but lies, when you realize she's been corrected many times yet
continues to repeat the distorted version.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 01:42pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1032 of 2088)

LC,

That would be why I didn't comment, other than to say I haven't seen any such evidence.

Thanx for stating the obvious though.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 01:43pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1033 of 2088)

LC,

I'm rather good at knowing when I'm being lied to.

It's been lovely but I have to scream now. [lara croft] - 01:50pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1034 of 2088)

SD

Sometimes one has to state the obvious so that those who've overlooked it, might find reason to rethink their position.

You may be good at knowing when you are being lied to, but I suggest you ask around to those people who are famous around here
for their understanding and willingness to buy into anyone's story until overwhelming evidence points to the contrary. There are a
couple of those people around here who defended her for quite a while; people who considered their BS detector to be amongst the
best. Those people no longer defend her because they finally came to the realization that their BS detector was on the blink, that
day.

But you continue to believe if you will, and I promise I won't even say I told you so when the light bulb goes on over your head, just
before she grinds it into your skull.

[Oregon_Jim] - 02:19pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1035 of 2088)

What a hoot!

[Oregon_Jim] - 02:53pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1036 of 2088)

This Duffy certainly has a sad tale of woe to tell.

Hopefully within the definitions of eternity it can be finished.

Or not.

Pedestal Demolition no job too big/too small, call [Stonedollar] - 03:52pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1037 of 2088)

Lara,

I do have my own opinions of McDuffy, but they are opinions that I also have in regard to some others.

BTW, I just love being lied to and thats DEEP sarcasm.

Better living through denial.... [Duh. . .] - 05:51pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1038 of 2088)

OMYGOD!! Mother, when you folks go at it, ain't nobody with fur left on their behinds, is they?

All I gots to know is, do you have a job, PUF??? Don't you have friends or a place to go? Man, its not about chasing you away or
anything like that, but don't you got to go to work sometimes or something? Or take a break and find REAL PEOPLE to hang out with...
and PLUHLEEZZZEEEEE, don't say I'm ALWAYS on here, also, because I'm not. And I'm not ALWAYS attacking you and such. I'm just
wondering if you just don't have anything better to do. I do. That's why I'm not on here constantly like a couple of years ago. Maybe
a job would help your money situation, and maybe some fresh air would help those social interaction skills you seem to need
brushing up on. And YES, I know your black, and YES I know your 21, and YES I know you say you've GRADUATED from JH....

I'm not saying stop posting because people are DRIVING you away... For your own mental health, why don't you just take a fucking
break from the computer...

We have enough youth; we need a fountain of smart. [MsRobbie] - 06:20pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1039 of 2088)

For the record:
I have no reason to doubt McDuffy is a 21-year-old black female;
I have no reason to doubt McDuffy graduated from Johns Hopkins University;
I have no reason to doubt McDuffy is a highly intelligent young woman;
I have no reason to doubt McDuffy's parents came here as immigrants;
I have no reason to doubt McDuffy's grandmother was killed by being shot in the eye in Sierra Leone;
I have no reason to doubt that racism exists in this country.

Any chance we can move past those things?

"Meow" is like "Aloha"-it can mean anything. [Crimson] - 06:22pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1040 of 2088)

Please?

Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. [DaveGin] - 06:26pm Jan 10, 2000 EST (#1041 of 2088)

No, no, Jim. We're going for gentler tonight.

davegin