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The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 12:51pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#1 of 258)
I nominate my self for worse speller after Wandering Bear. Hopefully Dave will fix the word "character" in the header for me one last time.
;-)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 12:51pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#2 of 258)
WHY?
Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 12:54pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#3 of 258)
I am gratful that the powers that be saw fit to give us warning. That shows they have some sort of humanity and the realization that this
really is a community of people who do care about each other.
How horrible it would have been to just log on one morning to find out Our quaint little HomeTown was bulldozed and in it's place stood a
AOL Jiffy-Lube or something.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 12:56pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#4 of 258)
Fauforde
I am gratful that the powers that be saw fit to give us warning. That shows they have some sort of humanity and the
realization that this really is a community of people who do care about each other.
Hmmmm...
I wonder how much of that was the powers-that-be versus Dave's good heartedness?
How horrible it would have been to just log on one morning to find out Our quaint little HomeTown was bulldozed and in it's
place stood a AOL Jiffy-Lube or something.
Not as horrible as what would happen if one of our resident computer gurus were to get a serious burr up their butt and go after Time/AOL
-- think about what kind of damage a dedicated (and pissed-off) hacker could do...
Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 01:00pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#5 of 258)
I wonder how much of that was the powers-that-be versus Dave's good heartedness?
Well, whoever it was, I am thankful for at least a two week warning.
[Philly] - 01:06pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#6 of 258)
DAVE, this has been a place to learn - a place to laugh.
So long ALL.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 01:10pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#7 of 258)
Moi aussi. A "Surprise! you are not seeing anyone from your board anymore would have been uglier for me.
I still am not happy and am disgusted they could kill this and not recognize it's worth and potential.
This is an excellent board. It was building quite a history and tradition.
Alas, history and tradition means nothing to cold, small, corporate hearts,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 01:35pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#8 of 258)
Fauforde, Mike
Don't get me wrong. I am glad for the warning as well.
I just think that it was motivated more out of fear of retribution than any magnanimous gesture of goodwill... Let's face it - there are folks
here that could nuke Time/AOL back to the goddamn DOS age...
This is an excellent board. It was building quite a history and tradition. Alas, history and tradition means nothing to cold,
small, corporate hearts,
Anyone think a petition might do any good?
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 01:40pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#9 of 258)
If I did Guy, I would have started one. AOL won't ever care about us. We are merely in the way to them.
Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 01:42pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#10
of 258)
Dave,
When is Time-Warner-AOL going to merge with Microsoft?
GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 01:42pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#11 of 258)
Dave: When will the board actually shut down? At midnight on the evening of March 31?
I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 01:46pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#12 of 258)
Hey Ferret Mike:
I was just searching at home for the great poem you wrote for me when the babies were born. I framed it for them, but couldn't find it at
lunch break!
One thing you wrote in it, about "filling my pockets with pebbles and sticks," so true! Now, their favorite thing to do is give me their
"treasures" they find -- sticks, stones, coins and flowers!
I just wanted to thank you again, for that!
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:46pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#13 of 258)
Good question, Gdub...
So Dave... How's Mrs Dave?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 01:47pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#14 of 258)
Mike
If I did Guy, I would have started one. AOL won't ever care about us. We are merely in the way to them.
Ya know, it's times like these when I wish I really did have "family" connections...
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#15 of 258)
Oh, Mike... Did you find the conversation between me and Jimmie that he had saved? You have my mails, right?
star8turtle@yahoo.com
gina@duhspot.com
Hi Greenie... How're things? I hope you'll mail me from time to time and let me know how you are?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 01:51pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#16 of 258)
I'm not sure, GW. The higher-highers are still working out the details. So I don't know if we go out with a bang or a whimper.
They are still scouting out possibilities elsewhere for continuation of the community we've developed...though certainly not to this
scale. When I hear, you'll hear.
And, Chicklet, the child bride is doing well. She's now putting weight on the broken limb and moving around at about 25-30 percent
speed. There were actually 10 fractures in that on one area of the tibia just below the knee. It's painful. But she's no stranger to pain.
She's a very tough lady - and in equal amounts gracious and lovely.
I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 01:56pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#17 of 258)
Hi Greenie... How're things? I hope you'll mail me from time to time and let me know how you are?<
Better, in flux! School is going well, just did very well (I think on the mid-terms.) I will certainly keep in touch!
:)
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 01:57pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#18 of 258)
Let me guess Dave, they are looking for a rubdown brownstone between two elevated subway lines in the highest crime venue they can
get so we can continue to be a family there.
Sniff, sniff, sniff, and to think I wanted a Steve Chase dartboard so bad a moment ago I could taste it.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 03:35pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#19 of
258)
The new Ask Dave thread...
An honorary title, but one borne of deep respect.
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:44pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#20 of 258)
Cool Hoeker...
Glad she is on the mend Dave... And I hope she continues to do well. It hasn't been all that long, it seems, and with the pins and all I'd
think being able to use it even a little at this point is a good thing.
Greenie... I've gone back to school as well ... I made 10 out of a possible 10 on all 6 papers in one class so far...
We had midterms and I have an A in all 5 classes so far...
I'm glad you're doing well... tell the Munchkins *Hi*..*S*
GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 03:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#21 of 258)
surferchick: What school are you attending?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 03:50pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#22 of 258)
surferchicklet
We had midterms and I have an A in all 5 classes so far...
Way to go!
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 04:01pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#23 of 258)
Hiho, Snow. I've missed ya...
Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. [CooterBrown] - 04:08pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#24 of 258)
Dave.....where are the hot women?
All of life is a blur of Republicans and meat! [TireBiter] - 04:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#25 of 258)
Dave, where do Beer Nuts come from?
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 04:17pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#26 of 258)
Beer nuts come from neutered beer... you know... the non-alcoholic type...
GDub... I'll email ya... *S*
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 04:18pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#27 of
258)
Cooter...
They're pressing pants down at Acme Dry Cleaning.
Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 04:18pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#28 of 258)
They are still scouting out possibilities elsewhere for continuation of the community we've developed...though certainly not to this
scale. When I hear, you'll hear.
With all the ebusinesses going under, I would think there'd be an empty, cold warehouse somewhere for us...
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 04:19pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#29 of 258)
Thanks, Guy...
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 04:31pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#30 of 258)
That's it dammit. I'm getting on the phone right now and cancelling my subscription to TIME and maybe to Newsweek...
****INDEX FINGER***
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 04:48pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#31 of 258)
My ferrets already shitting on my last subscription copy Duh.
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 04:58pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#32 of 258)
LOL, Michael...
Dave, if I haven't told you yet, I think you did a great job, I think you have a great sense of self about you and I think that if I was only a
couple years younger with big breasts and in Texas while you were single, I would have given you the best mind you ever had...
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 04:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#33 of 258)
((((found another beer)))))))
When you seek revenge, dig two graves. - Proverb [_maggie_] - 05:15pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#34 of 258)
There was a place in cyberspace
once known as TOL
Where friend and foe would meet and greet
and sometimes come to blows.
Within these walls, ideas were formed
and bantered back and forth
Where friendships bloomed and bonds grew strong
between the oddest sort.
The passion that surrounded us
t'was deep within our hearts
Wars were won and wars were lost
and, in fact, became an art.
We've celebrated everything
from marriages to birth.
And hand in hand, we wiped the tears
through illnesses and death.
So, as we scatter with the winds,
to cyberlands unknown.
Let's raise our glass and ring the bell
for a place we once called home.
Mahalo nui a aloha ahui hou, my friends.
I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 05:18pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#35 of 258)
Dave, when did you find this out? I've been away from here a few days. Shocking news. I'll miss some of you people. Others are like that
stuff that falls behind refrigerators...
I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 05:19pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#36 of 258)
Please, no more poetry. I'm already too verklempft...
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 05:39pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#37 of 258)
FUCK YOU, Bill. I have a life. I couldn't give a rats ass about the TIME board, only the people and community
that I have grown to love. So, you go on and tell me I'm naive, or stupid or silly or worthless. I have had enough of it,
so you can just go EAT SHIT AND DIE...
[EFI] - 07:04pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#38 of 258)
To Duh_, re 38,
Have you considered that companies like Time, may be starting to realize they could be financially liable for things posters put up, such
as profanities? What if an 10 year old saw your post, and their parents decided to act?
If you think the decision to dump this board was because boards are not money makers, then you would have to ask why there are so
many new boards, that are making lots of money?
People have to remember that while they may feel they are posting in their own private environment, they actully are reaching into
bedrooms and private places of those that read their posts.
Susan [sjscruby] - 08:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#39 of 258)
So is Bill's wonderful attitude, EFI. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[utlib2001] - 08:20pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#40 of 258)
I really enjoyed it. I'll miss it very much. Thanks, Dave.
[EFI] - 08:20pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#41 of 258)
To Susan, re 40,
Spam may be slightly annoying, but actually increased hit counts, and made this site seem more active than it really was. That increased
the advertising potential. And by using the "search" feature, one did not even have to bother scrolling past it.
But hostilities, profanities, vulgarity, etc., probably were the main cause of loss of readership, and eventually the whole site. But that is
only based on my opinion, not any inside information.
Is Our Children Posting? [N. Tufnel] - 08:28pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#42 of 258)
EFI
Kill yourself, you pseudo-puritanical freak.
Do your family a solid and kill yourself.
Best of luck.
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 08:32pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#43 of 258)
Why are Duh and Susan being beaten on, instead of the true malefactor?
3/31/01-Tear the goalposts down, boyz! [babblingbrook] - 08:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#44 of 258)
Why are Duh and Susan being beaten on, instead of the true malefactor?
Maybe because EFI and Bill a couple of socio-misfits? Just a wild guess, mind you.
[spangler] - 10:19pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#45 of 258)
Oh well.
On to bigger and better things.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 10:21pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#46 of
258)
Billy...
"Malignant" and "six months". May you hear those words early next week.
Susan [sjscruby] - 10:24pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#47 of 258)
Bill, I am soooooooooooo tempted to repeat a message to you that I saw previously, but I will remain my usual polite self for the moment
(no promises for the future).
Your attitude SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's all about "poor me," and it gets very old in a hurry---almost as quickly as your disruptive behavior. Your
"problem" would never have occurred had you not chosen to be a disruptive, spamming, idiot.
OK...I guess this time limit thing has enabled some part of me that wants to SCREAM at the Bills of the world.
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 10:32pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#48 of 258)
If someone is letting their 10 year old surf alone without some sort of *nanny* that filters language and so on I doubt they'd get real
upset by the kid reading *Shit* and *fuck you*... Hell they probably hear it...
Time is not responsible... The hosts delete as soon as they can...
If it offends you to see *adult* language why are you even here?
[Lookinglassman 777] - 10:37pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#49 of 258)
Hey Dave!
Why does That idiot Bush suck?
[lara croft] - 10:38pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#50 of 258)
Figure it this way - there cannot be anyone more torn up about this than Bill.
His lifeline to any sort of social interaction (as stunted as it is) is going away.
He may become so distraught as to climb atop something very high and fucking leap off
If we are lucky.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 10:39pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#51 of
258)
: )
[lara croft] - 10:40pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#52 of 258)
TOL DID at least give notice.
When PoliticsNow closed down they just tacked a eviction notice on the door about 2 a.m. one morning and when the residents showed up
the next day they were greeted with the news that they'd been moved out, bags were out on the lawn.
Susan [sjscruby] - 10:42pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#53 of 258)
True, lara...I had thought the same thing. At least we have time for goodbyes and plans.... ;)
[lara croft] - 10:53pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#54 of 258)
Well, I hate to say this, but when PN closed down the residents all felt the same way as most here are feeling. They all swore to keep in
touch and they set up an email channel to keep everyone informed of a new place, if found. One of the guys set up a website where we
could all drop in and leave a post catching other up on how we were doing and where we were posting and read about the others and
find them if we wanted.
Everyone pretty much settled on the Washington Post and most went over there for a while. It wasn't the same because we were trying
to mingle with a community that already had its own cast of characters on their own turf.
We were newbies and the staff at the Post did their best to make us comfortable. They gave us our own area but it was just a chat area.
Being political animals that wasn't enough. We tried to melt in with the regulars but we were considered interlopers and there were a lot
of fights with the regulars. They were pretty nasty. One of them visited here for a while but Dave banned him. Heath was his name.
One day we showed up and got the ole eviction notice again. The Post boards had closed down. And that time there wasn't any talk of
keeping in touch. Everyone was pretty tired of chasing around to find a home, so we just sort of all wandered off.
It's been several years now and I'm still in touch with a couple of them, occasionally, very occasionally. But for the most part, I don't
have a clue where any of them are.
Then there's Bear :^)
BTW Bear, remember Tobie and Chris?
They just got married a couple months back. Kinda cool.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 11:03pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#55 of 258)
Kirk, please let me know where you land in cyberspace. So I can stay far, far away.
I have never seen anyone so consistently and spectacularly wrong so often. And so enamoured of his wisdom.
The number of hits in the posts mean nothing to advertisers. They don't care who zips by their ads. They want to know who clicks on and
reads their ads.
Please don't consider this an invitation to discuss. It isn't. I've tried that. Hitting my head with a hammer is more useful. And fun.
Enjoy your life, Kirk. You're not a bad person. Just deeply confused.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 11:04pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#56 of 258)
Susan!! You go girl.
Don't let Bill wear you down. He's an irrelevancy. He doesn't even exist.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 11:06pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#57 of
258)
Dave...
Me and some of the boys want to chip in a get JaneD her first training bra. You want in on it?
Susan [sjscruby] - 11:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#58 of 258)
LOL, Dave...well, he only barely exists...sometimes. *g*
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 11:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#59 of 258)
Kirk - I can't buy your ad hoc thumbnail scetch opinion "nastiness" scares good people away.
I have been a political animal all my life and the sounds of screams and the ripping of clothing and hair around people with a high
political efficacy and who are competative as hell is normal human behavior.
This opinion is not subject to any change in any immediate time frame amd in my humble opinion you are in no way convincing when
you argue to try to.
Don't get me wrong, you are a nice guy, but you are wrong. And with all; due respect you can be insufferably snotty and arrogant.
I also failed to see what the blue blazes your "pronouncement" to me at an earier date "I am not the guy you thought I was."
I am me. I am not ever changing because of that variety of peer pressure. I have always been a take me or leave me type of guy. And I
would not ever want it any other way.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 11:17pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#60 of 258)
hoeker - I tried to give her one and she chewed it up. How about a muzzle?
[lara croft] - 12:58am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#61 of 258)
Well, I don't recall ever engaging in a conversaton with Kirk until lately.
And I'm still wandering around with the look of Bambi in the headlights, over it all. That boy has talent.
Being wrong doesn't phase him, he can make a turn on a subject and come up behind it arguing the opposite of what he was arguing a
moment ago, and claiming he owns that position, in less time than it takes to say "What the F**K"?
Now that's a talent.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 01:27am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#62 of 258)
Lara
You should have seen the time that "Kirk" told me that he worked on 'plug-ins' for Photoshop in the late 1980's.
I sent him the link on Photoshop's 10 Year Anniversary Party that was held last August.
He still insists - to this day - that he was working on a 'pre-release' version of Photoshop.
Which is quite a trick - especially when you factor in that Adobe Systems bought the program from a private software engineer after
Version 2.
That Kirk - always out front and on top of things, eh?
ROFLMAO
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 01:28am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#63 of 258)
You guys. I went over to the NPR board... seems nice... a bit slow....
[lara croft] - 01:39am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#64 of 258)
LOL OJ, telling you he worked on Photoshop would be a lot like telling Bill Gates he had something to do with the creation of Windows.
[lara croft] - 01:39am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#65 of 258)
DUH
What's the climate over there?
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:40am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#66 of 258)
Cold & liberal...
[lara croft] - 01:56am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#67 of 258)
Okie dokie then. Think I'll find another spot. Don't mind the 'liberal' so much, just can't even handle the 'cold.'
I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 01:59am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#68 of 258)
I'm in the community folders... Just posted once... we'll see...
Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 09:31am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#69
of 258)
Dave, with the acknowledgment of your existence by none other than Rush Limbaugh, how will you be able to face each day knowing
that you have now reached the zenith of your life's achievement and that there is nothing more worth accomplishing? At some point,
Dave, the tremendous high you're feeling from having your name and words broadcast across the fruited plain will fade, and you will
likely fall into a deep depression. We're here for you, Dave, and you always have an email shoulder to cry on.
And one bit of advice: when the high wears off don't chase after it by frantically calling the Limbaugh show every day. You will never
achieve the sense of fulfillment you're feeling now.
[EFI] - 12:37pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#70 of 258)
To Babblingbrook, Birdz, Surferchicklet, etc.
You still don't get it do you? This board is not about you, and as much as Dave kept saying this was sort of just a private party, that is not
true, nor is that what Time wanted it to be.
And this is not about me either. Of course it does not offend me to see profanities, etc.
What you all seem to fail to realize, is that the purpose of this board, any real possibility for political change, and even the future of the
Internet itself, depends on the degree that individuals are able to exercise self restraint and cooperate in a social institution.
As for the board, Time needs numbers, and that means we should all have been inviting and nice to new people.
As far as politics, the ONLY media we really have left is the Internet, and we are not going to find consensus issues by venting anger.
As for the Internet, there is no other media that is not heavily policed. It will be a matter of time before they turn on it as well. The ONLY
way to prevent that, is to be able to demonstrate it is not necessary, ahead of time.
And it is so tiring to see people continually running the same old self destructive treadmill. Even if you assume the worst or the best
about Bill, how does it help to aim hostile posts at or about him? Do you think it will get him to stop? Do you think others will find this
board more interesting because of them?
I suggest people try to differentiate between and try discovering what they really feel and what they really want.
[EFI] - 12:42pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#71 of 258)
To DaveGin,
Have you ever considered asking advertisers what they want, or seeing what makes successful boards work?
And do you think there are going to be lots of hits on ads, when the board itself only has a few dozen posters?
[EFI] - 12:49pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#72 of 258)
To Ferret Mike,
When I said I was "disappointed" in you, it was because I thought you were the kind of person who fought for principles, instead of just
what you "wanted". But when you made being "accepted" here more important than what was "right", you lost your impartiality. That is
the way people are always coopted. You see, then instead of being against the execution of Mumia because it is wrong to execute anyone,
people will think it is just because you do not him to be executed. Then one no longer has credibility, and it diminishes the ability to
make changes. It diminishes the abililty for this board to make real chnges.
[EFI] - 12:50pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#73 of 258)
To Oregon Jim, re #62,
Please get the facts right. I said I wrote the Photoshop plugin for the multiprocessor accelerator board sold by Adaptive Solutions. I
never said I was employed by Adobe, although I did write some other file filters for them, on contract. And the time frame was around
1997, not "late 1980's".
And would you care to state your "credentials"? I have not seen any evidence that you know anything about programming at all.
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 12:58pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#74 of 258)
To Babblingbrook, Birdz, Surferchicklet, etc.
You still don't get it do you? This board is not about you, . . .
What the devil are you talking about???? Where did any of us say the board was about us????
[EFI] - 12:59pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#75 of 258)
To Lara,
We exchanged a number of post about 3 years ago, and a number of others whenever you came back on this board.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 01:00pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#76 of 258)
I never said I was employed by Adobe
I never said that you were - for one thing you're not smart enough.
And you couldn't have been writing "filters" for Adobe Systems in 1997 for Photoshop because Adobe Systems had moved from "filters" to
"plug-in" in their ELM (Extendable Language Model) and quite frankly Kirk you're a f*ckin' liar period.
You don't know your asshole from your mouth and you prove it each and every day. And I'm not surprised that a loser company like
Adaptive Solutions actually hired you - and the fact that they went under at the height of the tech boom speaks volumes about what a
mindless group of morons they had assembled together out in Silicon Forest and if you're any indication of the quality of their
personnel recruitment I'm surprised they lasted longer than a week.
You're a moron - as stupid and ignorant as any human to have ever graced this board.
Basically go f*ck yourself.
You're welcome.
sob, sob, sniff, sniff, slobber, slobber
[EFI] - 01:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#77 of 258)
To Birdz, re 74,
What I am referring to, is that even before this "Bill" situation started, I was trying to point out to people that these divergent personal
attacks and agendas, were harmful to the board.
Not only do I believe these were what ultimately caused the entire situation with "Bill", but was the purpose for every response
concerning it. There was no valid reason or purpose for even discussing it, and it only made the situation worse, and harmed the board.
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 01:09pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#78 of 258)
Hey, Dave:
Two things.
One, are you going to open up the boards on these last days of Pompeii to those posters that have been banned? I mean, those that
haven't managed to sneak back on. I think it would be a good idea.
Secondly, what time exactly on the 31st are they turning us off, and exactly what will happen? Is it going to be like going off life
support where it just fades into oblivion, or are they planning something more spectacular, like a firing squad?
Hope to see you over on the ez boards...
Nessus
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 01:10pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#79 of 258)
<sarcasm> Yeah, EFI, and you also pointed out to Bill how HIS personal attacks and agendas were harmful to the board.
You pointed out to Bill how his conduct was so egregious, so out of proportion, to any misconduct by other posters, too, no doubt.
Sheesh!
[EFI] - 01:15pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#80 of 258)
To Oregon Jim, re #76,
Try reading before you post once. The "filters" I wrote I said were for Adobe, not Photoshop. Remember, they make lots of other
programs as well. And frankly, that was so long ago, I can't remember if it was before the buy out, or exactly what programs they were
used in. But you can easily see your mistake, since you will see that what I did say I wrote for Photoshop was a "plugin".
And Adaptive Solutions did make mistakes, but that was by trying to concentrate mostly on the high end UNIX market instead of going
for a lower tier PC market. And it was finally the 300 Mhz Pentium II with MMX that killed them, when they were still trying to finish a
40 Mhz board. They charged too much for the hardware, not realizing it is the software you make the real profit on.
[EFI] - 01:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#81 of 258)
To Birdz, re 79,
Yes, every time I posted about the situation, I was clear to condemn harmful spamming. But any additional response would have been
counter productive.
If you were paying attention, you would have seen that everytime Bill posted normally, someone like OJ would write a post to Dave,
attacking Bill, and tattling what the new handle was. The escalation then was inevitable.
But the initial sin was Dave's. A host simply must NEVER ban without warning or explanation. In a world without formal justice
mechanisms, we must always provide them ourselves. And EVERYONE is due they opportunity to face their accusers, even if it is to have
their crime explained, so they can ponder their own guilt. When a person is banned without warning or explanation, that is the greatest
crime of all. It means that they are even denied the opportunity to learn from their crimes, and are doomed to repeat their karma.
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 01:29pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#82 of 258)
Well, I don't particularly enjoy talking to a brick wall, EFI. And you are definitely a brick wall.
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 01:55pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#83 of 258)
Birdz:
Maat is NOT as thick as a brick - he's just thick.
Bill:
Glad to see you're still a pinhead.
Nessus
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 01:58pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#84 of 258)
Kirk
I guess I wasn't as succinct and clear as I needed to be earlier.
Let me repeat, okay Cupcake?
"Go f*ck yourself"
Preferably without lubrication.
You're welcome.
[EFI] - 02:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#85 of 258)
To Birdz,
Let try a different approach.
There are 2 different basic philosophical camps. Those that feel the Calvinists are right, and that some people are born evil and must be
threatened into behaving; and those that feel all people are more strongly and easily motivated by their inherent social needs.
I believe in the latter, since I feel the former is just an excuse for exploitation. But I also think the former simply is ineffecient. If you
do not believe people have inherent good, then you will not even bother with rehabilitation, and then you give up the strongest tool you
have to control people. Once you tell a person they have absolutely no opportunity to "return to the fold", then you no longer have
anything to offer them, and no longer any power over them.
What incentive did that leave for Bill to stop or change? It simply is extremely counterproductive to try to drive him out by force that
can not be enforced. Obviously it could not possibly work.
[abbalon] - 02:08pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#86 of 258)
Dave, I have been a lurker and part time poster here for many years. I happened on this board just about the time you took over. I like
this board more than any other because of the layout,the ability to read several messages at a time and the atmosphere that allowed all
opinions to be heard.
You patience has been remarkable. Hopefully some of it rubbed off on me. I still don't suffer fools very well.
Some posters have been very nice. Libby comes to mind. Many have been less than nice but always entertaining.
While I never got banned I felt like I should have been a time or two. He, he.
Having the oppurtunity to follow the thoughts of so many different people over this length of time has provided much insite into what
motivates us.
If you changed the names, there are several threads that would make very funny and informative books. Who uses all the information
brought to this forum? So many here have spent countless hours searching for answers and finding more questions.
Observing the different personalities has been fun too. I came here ready for battle. I guess that is why I never worried about getting
attacked because I only saw oppurtunity.
Everyone here seems to have modified there positons on some issues.
I hate to see it end Dave. You've been a swell host. And to all of the many posters here. It has been fun. I will miss you.
[EFI] - 02:09pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#87 of 258)
To Birdz,
And what is a "brickwall" like? It is something that does not hear or inderstand what is said. I read and understand what you write, but
can you say the same?
[EFI] - 02:11pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#88 of 258)
To Nessus,
And can't you even get "Maat" right? There is a big difference between the name of the marshal on "GunSmoke" and the name of an
Egyptian god. Why is it that you never seem to bother actually reading my posts before responding with personal attacks?
[EFI] - 02:14pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#89 of 258)
To All,
I hate to admit to people like OJ that they succeeded in getting me angry, but obviously it has gotten in the way of me being able to
accomplish anything. I am sorry that I was not up to the task. Maybe in the next life?
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 02:14pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#90 of 258)
Nessus - I think you're right. And that's why I don't feel like wasting any more time trying to talk with him. What's the point?
[abbalon] - 02:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#91 of 258)
I had the hardest time understanding where Matt was coming from. EFI, are you Matt? If so what do you consider yourself? Libertarian?
Conservative?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 02:25pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#92 of 258)
Nessus...the short answer is: I don't know. At this point, the only certainty is that the boards close at the end of March.
Whether we go with a bang or a whimper depends, I suppose, on us.
Drop me an email, would you? And what is this EZ board you speak of?
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 02:33pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#93 of 258)
I am not here to put on the dog and play for acceptance Kirk. That is such a preposterous thing to say, it is beneath me to even line out
why.
Because if you can't see that much, there just is not enough time to explain things well enough for you to fully understand.
[EFI] - 02:42pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#94 of 258)
To Abbalon, re 91,
I would suppose I would be categorized far on the extreme left, but really that should be meaningless. If one simply sticks to principles,
there are no "sides". Each topic has its own merits, reasons, etc., and an honest person should take the right position, regardless of
partisanship.
That is where we disagreed. It seemed to me you only saw the 2nd Amendment issues through a partisan filter. I think with a wider view,
there are aspects that transcend party views. A society relying on hired force, is unstable and a danger to all.
Traditionally leftist have always been strong 2nd amendment supporters. That was the basis for our country. The fight is NEVER over.
[EFI] - 02:47pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#95 of 258)
To Ferret Mike, re 93,
But all humans need "acceptance" above all else. We all strongly want to "put on the dog and play for acceptance". It is vanity to deny
this.
But it is also hypocritical to deman justice and equality in life, while being willing to deny the same to those with opposing political
beliefs here on the Internet. You can't further your beliefs by compromising them.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 02:51pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#96 of
258)
Timless.com Refugee Boards...
The ez solution.
[abbalon] - 02:59pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#97 of 258)
He, he. I haven't argued to much on gun control. I love to hunt and enjoy other pursuits of the gun enthusiast. The second ammendment
just dosen't concern me like some gun folks.
If you remember me, Abbalon, at all, remember that I grew up in the south and lived the prejudices that pass for ideaology.
[EFI] - 03:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#98 of 258)
To ferret Mike,
While there are obvious physical differences between executions and being "banned", can you explain to me how they differ on
theoretical grounds?
If you accept that all humans have inherent rights, then under what banner does one justify the complete, unequivocal and absolute
denial of any singe person?
This becomes even more intolerable, if those demanding retaliation the loudest, are those who not only are similarly guilty, but may
actually have goaded the actual incidents.
It is an unclean situation.
[EFI] - 03:08pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#99 of 258)
To Abbalon,
Then perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you saw 2nd Amendment people as survivalists and therefore white supremacists. But I may
have been wrong to jump to those conclusions. I am glad we had a chance to get it right.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 03:16pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#100 of 258)
No Kirk, it actually is that you do not understand. You have your anal little dig to make, but you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine
for all I care. You demonstrate your biases and ego every bit as anyone else in what you do in here. You just have to do your little "no I
am not Clayton Moore, I am actually the Lone Ranger" act because you have made it into such an elaborate construct complete with full
ranges of plausible denials and contingency tangents of though on civility and personal conduct, you are proud of it and want to toot
your horn.
I am more then happy to remain friends with anyone who I can call one in here, but I'll be damned if I am going to be told I am
politicing to make them when I am not.
I am here to enjoy the company of good people, but I am a very competative person politically and this place is my workbook, not my
oyster.
There is so much of the picture that is me you don't know, I just don't want to hear you tell me a sky I know is blue is actually orange.
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:16pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#101 of 258)
Maat:
You wanna pick nits, do you?
There is a big difference between the name of the marshal on "GunSmoke" and the name of an Egyptian god.
And there's a big difference between a god and a goddess - Maat, daughter of Ra, is a goddess, not a god.
How do you manage...
Nessus
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 03:47pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#102 of 258)
Yo, Birdz, Nessus, Mike, Dave
I'm really going to miss you guys. I feel real affection for all of you.
Godspeed! May you always have fair winds and following seas.
Dave
Watch your email. I'm going to send you the URL for the EZ boards in just a minute, just as soon as I can ziggy ziggy (Tagalog phrase)
over there and cut and paste it.
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 03:49pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#103 of 258)
Oops! wrong computer. The bookmark is on the one that's acting hinky. Let me switch and see if I can get it to work long enough to email
it to you - and to me so I can put it on this one.
[EFI] - 03:50pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#104 of 258)
To Ferret Mike, re 100,
Sorry that you missed the point of my post. There was no "dig" intended, only an explanation.
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:53pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#105 of 258)
Ray:
I'll miss you, too, altho' I hope to "see" you over on the EZboards that Davka has created (hell of a job actually - he's parodied this site
very well). It's been terrific being in your company.
I hope we can stay in touch, especially if you plan to visit Wheaton. Or if I ever visit Mississippi. You know I spent a year there one
night...
Dave:
Check your email. Here's the new bar: http://pub53.ezboard.com/bnottol
Man, this really sucks!!!
Nessus
[EFI] - 03:59pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#106 of 258)
To Nessus2, re 101,
I was actually just commenting on how you were ALWAYS getting my name, post, etc., wrong.
But to get down to the same level, actually all goddesses are also gods, just as all women are men. The female subset is a part of the whole.
For example, if one was idenfied as the "first man on Mars", they could be equally man or woman. Man means mankind technically. All
goddesses are gods, and there is NOT such a "big diference".
And you are even more wrong referring to Egyptian dieties. They are sometimes referred to with gender, but actually both on diferent
occassions. In the case of Maat, it also refers to the balance or soul, and the test of the lighteness of heart when one sent either to
heaven or the underworld. So gender has little meaning.
Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 04:51pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#107 of 258)
Wardaddy - The feeling's mutual. I do hope this is just a glitch in what's been a fun party. If not, do e-mail me with stories about the
antics of your birds, and I'll do the same. :-)
[EFI] - 06:03pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#108 of 258)
To Ferret Mike,
How can you read posts like #42 and then call me self rightious for getting upset. I don't think death wishes are at all appropriate, but I
have seen hundreds on this board, and received dozens myself. That means everyone else has seen these also. So why is it no one else
ever says a thing to get them to stop? The silence is deafening. There are some issues where you become part of the problem if you are
not part of the solution. And these "social pecking order" attacks happen only when people do not speak out against them.
[Q E Two] - 06:36pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#109 of 258)
The BOTTOM LINE is M-O-N-E-Y...
TOL doesn't care about people.
Perhaps TOL thought that Personal Attacks against a poster's family, would create "interest".
They failed!
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 06:59pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#110 of 258)
And who says I am upset Kirk? I answered quite dispassionately as far as ambiant emotional states go.
If I have an emotion now, I would dare say it is amusement.
Opinions don't nessesarity have to have the emotional effect the reader projects,
Are you sure you have been doing this awhile?
[EFI] - 07:59pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#111 of 258)
To ferret Mike, re 110
Again it seems you misunderstood. In 110 you imply you thought I said you were getting upset, when in 108 I clearly was saying I was
upset, and why. I used 42 as an example.
I was trying to explain why it is wrong to blame me for over reacting, being self rightious, or hiding behind a Lone Ranger mask. I
don't think you still understand the degree of hostilities aimed at me and others. This has nothing to do with "projecting".
But it will be over soon anyway.
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 08:36am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#112 of 258)
Maat:
You're a real piece of work, you know that?
Among the many things about which you apparently know nothing (but are willing to make up incredible amounts of bullshit), we can
now add egyptian mythology. Maat is never referred to as anything but female, for the very good reason that she is married to Thoth.
And speaking of nits (which was th point of my post) I don't ALWAYS get your name wrong - in fact, I dare you to find a single instance
(other than the one on this thread, which I fixed when I found it) when I have gotten your name wrong.
However, in honor of your lugubrious brand of banal misinformation, I will henceforth refer to you as "Skittles".
As in, so long, Skittles.
Nessus
Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. [CooterBrown] - 10:50am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#113 of 258)
Why don't we all get together at Dave's hacienda for Labor Day?
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 10:57am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#114 of
258)
Good idea...
[Auld Acquaintance] - 10:54am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#114)
OK
I'll bring the condoms.
You're still going to get hemmorhoids, but it'll protect your partners.
You're a prince.
Proud member of "you guys" and "some people"... [surferchicklet] - 11:11am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#115 of 258)
Man O man.... Reading that little bit brings back some memories...
Arguing with kirk/maat for more than a couple exchanges always made me feel like I had been in a pillow fight using pillows loaded
with some sort of low grade narcotic...
Insubstantial, no pain, just a mild disorientation caused by the illogic, the swoops and dives and 180's he makes ...
Come on... Just for old times sake explain how folks in prison are all innocent and made to commit crimes by Madison Ave, or women who
shave their pits...
or tell us how little cars bounce better... that's a good one too...
up with which I will not put! [The New and Improved Tony K] - 11:19am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#116 of 258)
in keeping with the thread premise:
Dave - does this mean AOL/Time/Warner/whatever won't be paying for our long-planned poster get together in Las Vegas?
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 11:27am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#117 of 258)
Surferchicklet:
ex-glancarr said it best: Skittles is a gentle soul with a very strange brain.
He brings out the worst in me, for some reason - maybe it's the swooping, but more likely it's the unadulterated cowshit he asserts (like
this business about the gender duality of the egyptian goddess Maat).
If memory serves, the EG Maat was in chrge of judging souls after death. When you left the real world, your heart was put in the balance
against Maat's feather. The heart should be empty of worldly jealousies, so as to be lighter than Maat's feather.
Skittles has apparently misinterpreted this myth, and is trying to make sure that his brain is as light as a feather, by emptying it of
worldly facts.
Nessus
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 11:37am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#118 of 258)
surferchicklet / Nessus
My two favorite Maat/kirk-isms were:
1. The assertion that he was some sort of automotive whiz, who then promptly had no knowledge of the Ford flathead V-8 (the motor that
practically revolutionized the hot-rod industry of the 1950s).
2. The assertion that when carrying a handgun on his person, he would forget he was carrying it.
No offense meant, Maat/kirk.
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 11:48am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#119 of 258)
Guy:
My favorite remains "interstate media law".
Nessus
Till we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 11:51am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#120 of 258)
To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven
A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep
To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven
A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together
To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven
A time of war, a time of peace
A time of love, a time of hate
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing
To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven
A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!
Pete Seeger, blacklisted banjo player
[EFI] - 12:02pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#121 of 258)
To Guy Montag,
I am familiar with flatheats, and V-8's, but I never said I was an expert on american cars. I do not like them in general. Foreign cars,
like Porsche, Jaguar, and even Fiat and VW, make far better engines. Also, being lighter and smaller, they are easier to work on in
general. I never said I was an American car expert, and it is wrong to expect me to know alot about 50's American hotrods. It is like
expecting a C++ programmer to know about the origins of Cobol.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 12:06pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#122 of 258)
Maat/kirk
No, you merely asserted that you were an "expert" about cars. You placed no qualifiers on the nationality or time frame of car.
And if you honestly think that JAGUAR makes a better engine, well...
(I suppose, were one to split hairs, that one could argue that the pathetic Lucas Electrics systems aren't technically part of the engine,
but I digress).
Also, being lighter and smaller, they are easier to work on in general.
Not really, because they wind up getting shoe-horned into tiny engine compartments as a rule.
Give me a Chevy 350 in a massive engine bay over a Porsche 3.0 L stuffed into the back of a 911...
[EFI] - 12:08pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#123 of 258)
To Guy Montag, re 123
And if you remember the firearm discussion, I was suggesting that carring a pistol locked and cocked because it was single action, was
more dangerous than carrying uncocked as you can with double action.
Anyone that thinks they do not forget they are carrying when they are distracted by other event, like driving, are not realistic enough
to even be carrying in my opinion.
But I do think you meant offense. Why else would you distort the presentation?
[EFI] - 12:18pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#124 of 258)
To Guy Montag, re 127
Jaguar engines, even in the 50's, were hemispherical, flow through, cross flow, twin overhead cam, balanced, with tuned headers, and
mostly light alloy components. American engines rarely were equivalent. But actually Jaguar is more like an American engine than
most of the other European engines.
As for Porsche, you work on them from below as much as possible, and they are very easy to drop out from the bottom, if you need to do
more.
[EFI] - 12:28pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#125 of 258)
To Nessus2,
You still don't get it. Not only do you still ignore the fact that all goddesses are still gods as well, but that in Egyptian language, all
powerful and respected titles have neutral or masculine connotations. That is why Queen Hatsepsut still had to wear the cerimonial fake
beard to be pharaoh.
And the reason you are annoying, is that you always are so intent on showing what you know, that you completely ignore the point of
the disucssion, and that is extremely rude. For example, when we were trying to determine what human nature should most natually be,
by determining if we are more aggressive and solitary like carnivor predators, or more social and cooperative like herbivore gatherers,
YOU decided to proclaim it was all wrong because obviously humans were omnivores. It would help if you payed any attention to what
people were discussing.
And that is my complaint. It is not that you are stupid or ignorant, but that you simply don't care, and don't mind being rude.
[EFI] - 12:40pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#126 of 257)
To Surferchicklet, re 115,
Why is it you still don't get it? If you look at most primitive and poor countries, they have a much lower rate of crime then more
competitive high tech countries do. In fact, countries with adequate social services and fair judicial systems, have far less crime as well.
So which would be a better way to reduce crime:
1. Increase penalties and execute more?
2. Make better social services and judical systems?
You can choose whatever you want, but don't make fun of my choice.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:47pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#127 of 257)
Kirk: A hint: There is no requirement that you have an opinion on every subject. And certainly there is no requirement that you share
any thought that struggles out through the synapes.
Hope that helps.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:48pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#128 of 257)
Uh, oh...saber's getting excited.
[EFI] - 12:50pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#129 of 257)
To Ferret Mike,
It is a contradiction to be against the gratuitous violence of capital punishment, and not condemn the violent and hostile posts on this
board. There is never an excuse for promoting or expressing joy, even in jest, in the harm or death of another. I thought you understood
that?
Itis not elitism to simply know that any more than it is to know that 2+2=4. It simply is. But that is why I am so surprised to see you
joining the violence. Were you really against executions before in general, or was it just Mumia that you wanted to protect?
[EFI] - 12:55pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#130 of 257)
To DavidGin, re 128
The posts I wrote were specific responses to a recent post mentioning me. (in fact attacking me to a degree) One should expect me to
respond. In fact, I suspect that was their intent.
So it seems to me the only post that seems really out of place, is yours, suggesting that I not post. Exactly what was the point of your post?
Shouldn't you, (as host/moderator/whatever), been more concerned with what is normally known as "ganging up"?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:58pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#131 of 257)
No.
[EFI] - 01:08pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#132 of 257)
To DavidGin, re 132,
And that is the basis of our disagreement.
[Kluge] - 01:11pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#133 of 257)
I rode the market and Pathfinder/TOL until they both came to an unhappy ending. It was a fantastic ride, but, in the immortal words of
Forrest Gump, "Shit happens!"
Perdóname, Dave, pero tengo que decirlo: ¡busch es el pendejo más grande del mundo!
I now take my leave.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 01:21pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#134 of 257)
Kirk - This is not violence, what goes on in here. Not anymore then a Blazers v. Lakers game.
I am ademately against capital punishment and I fail to see where I called for any interlocutor to be executed.
Discussion over. In other words, I'll get back to you on this April First. Right in this thread.
[Areyoufat?] - 01:26pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#135 of 257)
I don’t know why, but your name and the flow of your posts turns me on. You seem to be beauty standing on a solid foundation.
Provide a picture of the person you speak of pronto!
---Forever searching
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 01:31pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#136 of 257)
hablas con verdad, kluge.
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 01:45pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#137 of 257)
Hey ho. I'm archiving threads for my little politics page, the memories thread, the Ask Dave and Lara&Sherrie thread at the bottom, the
DUH's threads. I also went over to Tom's Single Malt Shoppe and asked if I could archive the Tom Mandel Memorial page, since it is a
window into TOL's past... and I'm open to any other suggestions...
(post from the TSMS)
Most of you don't know me, I'm from the politics board. Since the announced shutdown of TOL, I have been remembering
what this place (TOL) has meant to me and all the memories associated with the five years I've been here have come
flooding back. I have made a little "memorial" page, and although it's geared to us posters over on the Politics board, as I
was archiving threads to post on my little site, I was wondering if I could take the TOM MANDEL MEMORIAL PAGE to post
also? I thought it be a fitting piece to include.
www.duhspot.com/POL/politics.html
I could even include this whole thread if someone wants to cut and paste it all into a text document and send it to me at
duh@mac.com. I would try to do it but, I've got precious little time left and a whole slew of threads that we have decided to
archive. I'll put the threads in a form where you can scroll down and read through them. I guess I'm just one of those
people to whom a site like this I would love to visit and re-read through just so I could remember this place and these
people....
Thanks,
Duh
[EFI] - 02:00pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#138 of 257)
To ferret Mike,
And that is the basis for our disagreement. I think that this is exactly the same sort of violence that executions are, where it is all out of
sight and people don't even see the blood and hear the screams.
Not only did you fail to respond against those promoting a "hit" team to Hawaii, but you personally tried to harm by making statments
concerning one's spouse. Perhaps just a lapse, but it is unworthy to now deny.
[utlib2001] - 02:12pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#139 of 257)
Dave, I feel the worst about this for you. Hope you move to a awesome new career that is everything you could desire. You were a real
gentleman. Liked the book tread.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:16pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#140 of 257)
Skittles:
>>> You still don't get it.
No, you don’t get it, and I’ll show you why.
>>> Not only do you still ignore the fact that all goddesses are still gods as well,
All women are part of the family of man. That said, if you described Heather Locklear as a "man", people would start to talk.
>>> but that in Egyptian language, all powerful and respected titles have neutral or masculine connotations.
So what? The titles have nothing to do with anything. The question is whether Maat is a female deity or not.
Just because a woman acts as chairman, doesn’t mean she is not a woman.
>>>> That is why Queen Hatsepsut still had to wear the cerimonial fake beard to be pharaoh.
But she didn’t have to grow a penis. Inherent in your observation is the following fact: clearly there is an important delineation of the
sexes in Egyptian ceremony – so much so that in order for Queen Hatsepsut to assume the throne, she had to vest herself with a MALE
symbol, BECAUSE she wasn’t a male, demonstrating a sensitivity to the gender of gods you calim in the next breath doesn’t exist.
>> And the reason you are annoying, is that you always are so intent on showing what you know, that you completely
ignore the point of the disucssion, and that is extremely rude.
Horseshit!! You made a big deal about whether your name was spelled correctly, and, tit for tat, I pointed out this same monkier was not a
god’s name, but a goddess’s name.
That is a fact, and that is what is under discussion. You are attempting to say that this doesn’t matter.
Okay. Misspelling your name doesn’t matter either, Skittles, and Maat is still a female diety - i.e. a goddess and not a god.
You are, as usual, full of beans.
Nessus
[EFI] - 03:27pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#141 of 257)
To Nessus, re 142,
You have written "Matt" instead of "Maat", more than any other poster. It shows a lack of concern and attention. It is dismissive.
You obviously go way out of your way to find a point to attack about. In this example, if one were to make a list of Egyptian gods, Maat would
be included. Any resonable person would then conclude that it would be wrong to then attack a person for saying Maat was an Egyptian
god. The fact Maat was also a goddess in particular, does not alter that fact it is still the name of an Egyptian god in general.
But you knew that. What you have yet to determine, is what your actual motive and goal was.
You know full well that the wrong spelling was not just a typo. People don't repeat typo's as you have.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:30pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#142 of 257)
Skittles:
>>> You have written "Matt" instead of "Maat", more than any other poster
Prove it. Show me an example.
Nessus
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 03:30pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#143 of 257)
I said the discussion is over asshole.
Deny? Deny? I don't need no stinking denial. Bill Russell is a first class f*ck faced bastard and I wouldn't mind seeing him poison a shark
by being it's last meal.
If you don't like this attitude, tough. If you don't like what I have said to Bill or about him, too bad.
You may be santimonious when you play the game "I'll get the last word in, dammit!" Kirk. But I respectfully submit you find someone else
to do your picking on and I would do it soon. I'm up to here with it.
You don't even want to get me pissed off and I am starting to go there. Portlanders are renouned here in Eugene for their high brow, anal
retentive sense of false superiority. I have had it with yours. Take it elsewhere.
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 03:32pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#144 of 257)
[utlib2001] - 02:12pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#141 of 142)
Dave, I feel the worst about this for you. Hope you move to a awesome new career that is everything you could desire.
You were a real gentleman. Liked the book tread.
Dave’ll probably correct me if I’m wrong, but he has a real job - he is a real live journalist in the daytime. This TOL stuff was a nighttime,
partime volunteer gig for him...
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:37pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#145 of 257)
Skittles:
I just searched the entire board for keywords "matt" and "nessus". Since I always sign my posts, if I had ever written "matt", it would show
up
There isn't a single match, not one except for the one on this thread which TYPO I repaired, when I saw it.
Which is to say there isn't a single example extant. Zero. Zip. Nada. The null set. Your statement is wrong, incorrect, untrue, a falsehood.
We'll put this one up there with the famous B-17 that had a range of 6,000 miles, interstate media law, federal defamation statutes, and the
internet regulations that require TIME to protect your feelings.
And since I'm calling you Skittles now, you don't have to worry about it anymore, do you?
Maat is still an Egyptian goddess.
And you're still a loon.
Nessus
[CedarRun] - 04:00pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#146 of 257)
I wish to suggest that Dave issues a blanket absolution to Maat for the Babbette/pedophilia banning affair, since which he has been beyond
annoying to have around.
Maybe that would allow him cease acting like a sidewalk-scrapped kneecap, all irritable and rubbed raw and we could finish these last few
days in peace.
Worth a shot..
[Muelling42] - 04:02pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#147 of 257)
"You have written "Matt" instead f "Maat", more than any other poster. It shows a lack of concern and attention. It is dismissive."
I'm not sure what you came to this board for, but I came here to discuss politics. I can't even remember the handles of some of the people
I've had the best discussions with.
I wish you luck in your search for a civil society, but frankly don't hold your breath - especially not on a political board. I'm sure you'd
have more luck finding people that behave civilly on a spirituality board.
On rehabilitation - I can't comment on the naturally good or evil nature of humankind as I believe neither is true, but no one can be
"rehabilitated" without their consent, and Dave generally gives people second chances if the apologize for whatever banworthy
behavior they engaged in. Bill never wanted to change his habits, as was blatantly evident from his behavior.
[EFI] - 04:04pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#148 of 257)
To Nessus,
Since I switched to this name many years ago, we have not discussed much recently, and whole threads often do not last long, exactly
what do you think you have "proven"?
And while we are at it, I happened to post examples and links to cases of Internet defamation, and it included one where AOL lost. I
suggest you again not only are wrong, but don't even pay attention to the facts infront of your eyes.
What the world needs now is love, sweet love! [kariannhopes] - 04:08pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#149 of 257)
CedarRun, I am sorry I forgot to list you as one of the people I was glad I met. I commented: cool dude.
Dave and Ken S. were also included.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 04:11pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#150 of 257)
Skittles:
You made a claim about my spelling of your current nick, to wit: that I misspelled it often enough for you to notice it and take umbrage.
It is sublimely stupid now, when called on it, to claim that it didn't happen often enough for there to be a single example of it left on the
boards.
You have made a claim - now either back it up or admit you were wrong, else I will draw the conclusion that you are not simply
mistaken, but that you're a damn deliberate liar.
Nessus
[EFI] - 04:17pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#151 of 257)
To Muelling42, re 149
Thanks for the reasonable post.
Nessus has a long habit of skimming posts, completely misunderstanding, and then writing abusive responses, so I have little patience
left for his superficial grandstanding.
With Bill, you have to remember that he used to be no different of a poster than anyone. I have seen many people selected, targeted, and
ganged up on before, and I find it far more offensive than anything Bill could even do. His spam was hardly even annoying to me.
All of his outbreaks seemed caused or even jutified by the actions of others and lack of action by Dave, to me. And Bill often did post
decently, even after he was so unfairly banned. And one can hardly expect a person to put up with that. There can hardly be a more
serious injustice then banning someone with no warning or explanation, much less when it is wrong. There are a great number of
people who have yet to even begin to attone for these crimes yet.
But perhaps there were posts, etc., that I was not aware of. That is just how it looked to me. I don't see anyone worthy of casting stones.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 04:23pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#152 of 257)
Kirk/Maat/EFI
If I give you complete absolution and heartily apologize for locking you out in the Babette flap, will you kindly shut the hell up?
[EFI] - 04:25pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#153 of 257)
To Nessus, re 152,
So now you think you are worthy of dictating the rules of logic. If you do something long enough so that can avoid prosecution, then
you think that makes you innocent? I don't think so.
I got tired of your attacks long ago, and stopped conversing with you, so the past references are long gone. It was you who again started
this attack.
And you should have investigated you claim before making it. All you had to do was see how many time you could prove you got the
name right. But you did not even bother, did you?
Because if you did, you would see that all of the old posts are history. There are none for me to find, and I can prove it. That makes your
recent accusation a delieberate lie. You should have known that the task you required of me was impossible for anyone, regardless of
whether you were wrong.
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 04:32pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#154 of 257)
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 04:23pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#154 of 155)
Kirk/Maat/EFI
If I give you complete absolution and heartily apologize for locking you out in the Babette flap, will you kindly
shut the hell up?
OHLOLOL. That made me spit out the Dr. Pepper...
[EFI] - 04:34pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#155 of 257)
To DavidGin, re 154,
I was only personally angry over that "flap" for a few days. And even that was because I had already felt "picked on". But the point is
that I only then realized how much it could effect people. I realized how bad of a thing it was, regardless of who it happened to, or why.
It is not too much to ask that people be told what their offense was, given sort of a chance to face their accusers, and given a whisp of
hope for rehabilitation. It is a standard for justice that goes beyond written law.
So my anger is not about me. It is about others also being banned badly, abuse of your influence and prestige on the board in initiating
gang up attacks, failure to suggest to violaters how to improve, and failure to prevent extreme abuse by some posters.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 04:41pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#156 of 257)
Skittles:
>>> You should have known that the task you required of me was impossible for anyone, regardless of whether you were
wrong.
Right. Asking you to substantiate a claim of fact IS impossible. BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE F*CK YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT!!!!
You really are one in ten billion.
Complete idiots are that rare....
Nessus
[EFI] - 04:45pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#157 of 257)
To Nessus,
In fact, the only posts left with both our names, are on the military board, controversial issues of WWII thread.
If you want to actually see some of the Pearl harbor evidence, before it goes away, there were some book titles and quotes a few
hundreds posts back.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 04:49pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#158 of 257)
Skittles:
And, of course, I have never posted on the military boards, so I can't possibly have spelled your name wrong there.
Speaking of "in fact", there are examples on this thread of me spelling your name correctly, so, as usual, you're even wrong about that.
Nessus
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 05:03pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#159 of 257)
This is funny - the other day on the afternoon talk show out of Memphis, the subject was the FedEx attempt to get the NBA Grizzlies to
relocate to Memphis. A caller asked Mike the following question, "Why are they trying to bring an NBA team here? Crime is already too
high, isn't it?."
[EFI] - 05:05pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#160 of 257)
Nice try Nessus, but again you screwed up.
The first reference on this thread as well, is 83, the one you originally spelled wrong.
But obviously this is not worth either of us bothering this much over. If you had not again initiated the personal attack on me in 83, I
would never have cared. If you are going to go out of your way to start a personal attack, you would think it one would at least get the
name right.
[EFI] - 05:11pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#161 of 257)
They had the Lake Wobegone joke festival on NPR recently. I liked the one where a nervous thoraxic surgeon had a ritual of coming
into a local bar for a pecan dacquri after every operation. One day he succeeded with an especially difficult heart transplant, and when
he went to the bar to celebrate, the bartender realized he was out of pecans. In his desire to please the surgeon, he looked around for a
substitute, and all he could find were hickory nuts. When he gave it to the surgeon, he immediatley noticed the difference, and
demanded to know what it was. So he told him, "It a hickory dacquri doc."
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 05:14pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#162 of 257)
<url>http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/3778/Summer99/nfmaat.htm</url>
Maat
Maat was a daughter of Re, the sun god. She symbolized the laws of existence - law, truth and the world order.
Judges were considered to be the priests of Maat. Without Maat, the process of creation and self-renewal would be
meaningless.
[EFI] - 05:30pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#163 of 257)
Although no mortal can truely judge, I did try to bring more justice into the world, as well as I could.
[CedarRun] - 06:09pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#164 of 257)
>To DavidGin, re 154,
I was only personally angry over that "flap" for a few days.>>
Thanks for trying, Dave. It appears however that the problem is organic rather than behavioral. There isn't much any of us can do, that
being the case.
It was, as I said, worth a shot...:)
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 06:28pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#165 of 257)
Good God, maybe this place is shutting down just in time.
[EFI] - 07:04pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#166 of 257)
To CedarRun,
Perhaps you do not realize that long before I was "banned", I had been in a series of conversations which made me extremely upset, and
Dave basically said he thought I was too much of a racist and pervert for him to bother with. So you see, it is Dave's lack of fairness and
accuracy that has always been the main concern. The banning, in direct reverse of what was ethically correct, was only a small point in
itself. It is not that I am holding a grudge, but that it seems as if Dave still has no idea what the problems with this board were.
But if your point is that people should "let go" of such baggage, I suggest you see how many "death wishes" I have had posted towards me
in the last few days. It does not put one in a good mood. Who else is responsible for posters feeling free to post in this irresponsible
manner?
[EFI] - 07:25pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#167 of 257)
To CedarRun,
Actually I had missed your posted suggestion to Dave, so I just went back to read it. While I appreciated your intent, do you really think
Dave asking me to "shut the HELL up?" really should make me feel all warm and fuzzy now?
I don't see how I am the cause of any discomfort to others, since they are the ones initiating unsolicitied attacks.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 07:25pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#168 of 257)
I had been in a series of conversations which made me extremely upset
You trying to tie your shoes successfully is probably upsetting to someone as ignorant and as mindless as you appear to be.
I'm touched however................
Dave basically said he thought I was too much of a racist and pervert for him to bother with
Look on the bright side - at least he didn't mention that you're a friggin' idiot.
Tell Dave you appreciate that - go on now!
it is Dave's lack of fairness and accuracy that has always been the main concern
Only in your feeble and addled brain.............
It is not that I am holding a grudge
No - not at all. You're just trying out a new past time now that impotence has rendered your former hobby a moot point, eh?
I suggest you see how many "death wishes" I have had posted towards me in the last few days
I guess more people thought you were an asshole than even you believed, eh?
I could have filled you in.
Who else is responsible for posters feeling free to post in this irresponsible manner?
Bill Gates? Marquis de Sade? Titza Poppin?
Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 07:41pm Mar 22, 2001 EST
(#169 of 257)
Who's Titza Poppin? :)
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 07:59pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#170 of 257)
Dave - If you could give us an update on anything TIME.COM may be thinking of doing, please let us know.
Also if there is anyway they could help in the software department and some advisement, Duh, Sherrie, myself, and I am sure many
others might be interested in working to provide the seed of a new beginning at a new place on the internet.
Could you ask what they could do to help? Time's institutional memory and willingness to provide some access to it could mean new life to
all of this.
Everyone else including those I mentioned; what do you guys think? I would be willing to put time and effort to starting a new BB
something the scope of the old.
No insult intended Daveka, your efforts are appreciated too.
I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 08:11pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#171 of 257)
I‘m in Mike, and I’ll even be nice to the butter people for a WHOLE month...
[EFI] - 08:22pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#172 of 257)
Since AOL owns CompuServe, both with their own private boards, Time's free boards were competition they would probably not like to
see salvaged.
But it is not expensive to start a new board. Anglefire will sell the connection service for around $40 a month, for a commercial site.
There are public domain versions of site software, and I think the service will provide that as well. All it really takes is about an hour a
day to keep things running smoothly. A small subscription fee of a couple of bucks a year, actually keeps a site a little cleaner anyway.
If people are serious, don't wait for Time/AOL.
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 08:28pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#173 of
257)
Kirk...
We haven't.
Proud member of "you guys" and "some people"... [surferchicklet] - 08:34pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#174 of 257)
And the reason you are annoying, is that you always are so intent on showing what you know, that you completely
ignore the point of the disucssion, and that is extremely rude.
Aw shoot... Nessus... how could you have forgotten that the *point* of any conversation is, of course, kirk... Shame shame...
And that is my complaint. It is not that you are stupid or ignorant, but that you simply don't care, and don't mind being
rude.
You think that's a character flaw?? Sheesh... Both are pluses in my book...
[saber_jet2001]
I don’t know why, but your name and the flow of your posts turns me on. You seem to be beauty standing on a solid
foundation.
Sorry if you are offended.
I'm Southern, so I seldom am offended by compliments...
You're sweet...Thanks hon, even if I might not agree..*S*
To Surferchicklet, re 115,
Why is it you still don't get it?
Well... one reason might be because you have yet to make a valid point in the whole criminal thing?
If you look at most primitive and poor countries, they have a much lower rate of crime then more competitive high tech
countries do.
Could that have something to do with the fact that they have less *stuff*... Less stuff to steal, kill each other over...
and of course it is hard to find a cop in the Amazon or the Congo to make a report to, therefore people tend to handle things themselves...
And they still have a sense of responsibilty maybe... They don't expect social services to hand them a check, feed their kids... if they
can't feed their kids the kids just starve... no more problem...
It's hard to be a juvenile delinquent when you don't make it to adolescence...
In fact, countries with adequate social services and fair judicial systems, have far less crime as well.
You consider England and so on more primative and poor? London had over 400 murders in about 2 years, btw...
So which would be a better way to reduce crime:
1. Increase penalties and execute more?
2. Make better social services and judical systems?
You can choose whatever you want, but don't make fun of my choice.
You can choose what you want, and tho I won't make fun of your choice I will tell you neither will work...
(But don't tell me what to do, dude.)
Shouldn't you, (as host/moderator/whatever), been more concerned with what is normally known as
"ganging up"?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:58pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#132 of 170)
No.
Damn, Dave... aren't you going to cover up Jr's mistakes and make the bullies leave him alone when he says something less than
intelligent?
Mommy always did...
Duh... I saved this thread thru post #173... I'll mail it in a bit...
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 08:47pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#175 of 257)
It is an idea who's time has come Duh. I'll contact you at the E on your thread, mine of course is ferret@surffast.com. You are much more
the computer wiz, but I have some interesting resources as well.
Kirk - I hold no great hope in much help from TIME.COM other then they started this, and they ethically should help a community they
started which has the gumption to remain alive.
It would help to have a degree of seamlessness to it, and Time can and should help in that regard.
My vision of boards differs from yours which is most certainly obvious by now. In fact, that everyone disagrees with you should be
black enough a cup of coffee to wake anybody up, even you Kirk. I don't wish to hash it out with you right now which of course you
should have gathered in my kast couple of posts to you.
All I ask, all anyone asks is for you to honor people's thoughts and good intentions though they do not jive with yours. I guarentee you
are not completely correct in what you say and how things can and should be executed as far as boards go, but I don't dishonor the fact
you can offer valuble help in doing a board.
You do honestly need to work on more of a two sided communication thing online, but nobody is perfect. I know I am certainly not, but
if you make something personal, you better take it to E mail. I have not been unresponsive to you, and your last post would have been
more respectful and conductive to open and frank give and take by mail.
Dig? In any event, life is short, this place is in tormoil let's be respectful of each other's space. Peace.
P.S. You really miss out when you close your eyes to Oregon's Jim's condensed and brutal honesty. Too bad his gift of clarity flies
waaaaaay over your head. IMHO
[EFI] - 08:49pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#176 of 257)
To Hoeker, re 175,
Very nice. I am impressed.
[EFI] - 08:59pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#177 of 257)
To Surferchicklet,
In most other countries, medical access is far less expensive compared to income. In most other countries things like car insurance is
not mandated and run like a protection racket. In most other countries, you can surive and prosper without having to sell youself to an
employer. In many ways the US may be the most competitive and least supportive country in the world. You think that people in poor
places like Mexico are all thieves, but once you get away from the border, you can drop a wallet, and people will search you out to return
it. It has happened to me.
[Lookinglassman 777] - 09:07pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#178 of 257)
Hey Dave,
Is Mir going to land on land or in the ocaen?
[EFI] - 09:17pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#179 of 257)
Oj's "clarity" consists of things like making fun of old people because they are not used to profanities, and young people because they
are naive and innocent. He writes posts that are exactly the opposite of what he knows to be true. That is "clarity"?
He has insight in that he knows that it will anger a person who has spent 40 years perfecting a craft, if he attacks that, but it is not
honorable or constructive.
Overpopulation will always generate urban decay and nihilism, but sarky California put downs are an illness, and not something to
dignify. We have a whole generation that didn't even get "Seinfeldt", and thought the main characters were cool instead of the pathetic
self absorbed misfits they really were.
I did not believe Stanley Kubrick was right with his vision of the decadent future of "A Clockwork Orange", but unfortunately it seems
that I was wrong. I can't picture OJ without mascara over one eye.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 09:18pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#180 of 257)
Do you have regular bowel movements?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:22pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#181 of 257)
It's going to land on a bunch of tuna boats.
Eat more chicken.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 09:22pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#182 of 257)
Really? You remind me of a man who only sees black and white Kirk, and is willing to throw his entire intellect into convincing the
world that sees color is all wrong about that.
Jim is a talented and intelligent person who is much more kinder and thoughtful then you are willing to open your eyes to, but I guess
this is your problem. I know for sure it is your loss.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:22pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#183 of 257)
Skinners Raisin Bran works wonders, Kirk.
Cleans you right out.
[EFI] - 09:33pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#184 of 257)
Insight is when you expess something that helps a person grow. Making fun of a kids ignorance of an old man's poor memory, is about
things they have no control over. That is not insight, but cruelty.
I spend years being nice to OJ, I gave up long ago when I saw the harm he spread on the world. It is so hard to do any good, and it is so
easy for him to destroy. It is frustrating to even watch.
You forget how few liberals there used to be. The feeling I had back then when I saw OJ posting, was very different. I actually felt less
alone in the struggle. Little did I realize back then.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 09:37pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#185 of 257)
I think waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many people took this dump waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously. I did at one time but
my innate good sense made me realize that it's just a BBS.
[EFI] - 09:40pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#186 of 257)
And what is a BBS? It is a way for one person to reach 10 others, who can reach 10 others themselves, ...
What could possibly be more important than that, when we face such a difficult and uncertain future?
I can tell you that money and material possessions won't mean that much some day.
[EFI] - 09:42pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#187 of 257)
Goodbye.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 09:43pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#188 of 257)
Money & material possessions don't mean that much this day.
ya, matt
"There's a rat under my bed, and there's a little yellow man in my head..." [hoeker] - 09:44pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#189 of
257)
Goodbye, Kirk.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 09:46pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#190 of 257)
Is Kirk really this nuts?
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 11:54pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#191 of 257)
Dave - Are you going to let us in as to what "Gin" in your account name means? Or is that going to the grave of this site without us
finding out?
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 01:13am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#192 of 257)
Oh.
It's my wife's nickname.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 01:18am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#193 of 257)
Thanks Dave. You saved me from a waking nightmare where I realized I never thought to ask again what it meant.
BTW, I hope the Misses is doing well and is on the mend.
Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 09:58am Mar 23, 2001 EST
(#194 of 257)
And what is a BBS? It is a way for one person to reach 10 others, who can reach 10 others themselves, ... What could
possibly be more important than that, when we face such a difficult and uncertain future?
Oh FCOL, enough with the melodrama. This is but one forum out of countless other forums available online. If you want a reliable one
that will not likely shut down any time soon I suggest Usenet. For political discussion go to the alt.politics.* and talk.politics.*
hierarchies.
[lara croft] - 10:31am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#195 of 257)
If these forums worked so well, you'd think at least one of the participants here would have changed from liberal to conservative or vice
versa.
If these forums worked as well as Maat thinks, to attract ten by ten by ten to his screed, my guess is you probably would be seeing as
many of them go down as there are.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 10:56am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#196 of 257)
These boards are being closed next Saturday? Why not let them live through the weekend? Is someone from TIME going to the office on
Saturday just to pull the plug? TIME sucks!
[Muelling42] - 11:33am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#197 of 257)
"Thanks for the reasonable post." Your welcome, as to the below:
"Nessus has a long habit of skimming posts, completely misunderstanding, and then writing abusive responses, so I have little patience
left for his superficial grandstanding."
I have no desire to commiserate with you about the abuses you feel you've had to put up with. The abuses here are, in my opinion, no less
loathesome than those directed at the abusee.
"There can hardly be a more serious injustice then banning someone with no warning or explanation, much less when it is wrong.
There are a great number of people who have yet to even begin to attone for these crimes yet."
I can't comment on whether or not Bill's original banning was justified as I wasn't here. I can only judge from what little I did see of
him, and none of it was ever reasonable. You speak of people ganging up on him, and certainly he has a lot of abusers. But he also
sought them out, purposely provoking them with his presence. Bill was never an asshole at random. I never saw him post on threads
that were not frequented by those who detest him. Thus, I really can't feel all that sorry for his having to suffer such abuse.
Furthermore, there are many injustices that are greater than being banned from the board. I personally consider shoplifting a far
greater evil.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 11:37am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#198 of 257)
Wow! I'm getting 4 free issues of TIME, People & EW! And 2 of FORTUNE. Yeah, these feckers'll pay for closing this dump down!
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:20pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#199 of 257)
Oh, Glencarr, they didn't tell you about the pop quiz on current events and post-oscar celebrations, did they?
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 12:22pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#200 of 257)
If I have the Margie Carlson quizzing me, I'm going to hurl.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 02:20pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#201 of 257)
If trees didn't die for those nagasines, I might go for the four free copies. These days I try to do more reading online to avoid woodpulp
use.
(And no, I do not use TP.)
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 02:21pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#202 of 257)
Oh Mike, I won't even ask...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! [guy montag] - 02:25pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#203 of 257)
(And no, I do not use TP.)
[Mental Note] No matter how rude it may seem, do not shake Mike's hand...
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 02:28pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#204 of 257)
LOL - I am speaking of at home, and I have a system of pieces of cloth I wash. After use they go into a bleach bucket.
I am managing a restaurant and I am forced by that to be sanitary, I assure you.
Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 03:14pm Mar 23, 2001 EST
(#205 of 257)
With all that bleach it strikes me that you've simply swapped one ecologically icky problem for another. A composting toilet and TP with
high post-consumer recycled paper content would be a better approach, IMO.
Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 03:31pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#206 of 257)
Mike
If it's any consolation to you this planet will do just fine after we are all gone…
[Areyoufat?] - 03:34pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#207 of 257)
No pictures of any pretty ladies today? sigh Just my luck.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 03:41pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#208 of 257)
I agree Nigel. But we have to get the landlord's blessing for this structure for those at this old apartment complex to use if they wish. He
likely will go along considering what an unusual place this is. A compost toilet has been planned for two years here, and because it is
Eugene it will take two more to get one approved and put in.
The apartments are in a building on land behind the oldest farmhouse still on it's original site here in my neighborhood. You can tell
Ferret Mike is in charge of the trees here as they are as free ranging and luxurious with their gobbling up of the sunlight as they can
be. The landlord wanted some taken out, but I was very persuasive in their behalf.
We are right next to Icky's Teahouse's old site and I avail myself to some old, familiar Karma and energies by being here. But I am one of
the last still here from the numbers of Icky's Teahouse Cooperative.
The reason I like living here is either stubborness and toughness or a malicious intent to be a thorn in some people's side until
doomsday and because my skull is so thick. (Let's see you fall three stories to concrete and bust your skull and live to tell about it.)
Sort of my play of the old adage that there is a fine line between courage and raw stupidity delves into the raison de etre I fiercely make
this neighborhood my own.
One thing is for sure. Few in it don't know me by sight, and they either love me or loath me in my 'hood. No middle ground.
"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 03:44pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#209 of 257)
(Let's see you fall three stories to concrete and bust your skull and live to tell about it.)
How about a fall from the top of a silo when there is only about 3 feet of silage in it????
I did that when I was 9.
I didn't break anything except my nose... My Grandfather said my skull was too thick to break.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 03:51pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#210 of 257)
My sister calls me her little human lawndart. If she didn't now live in another state, I'd give her a nooggie.
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 03:55pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#211 of 257)
Falling is fun, huh Shroom?
It's the sudden stop which is a huge bummer.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:56pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#212 of 257)
SO, Mike, you've had this love/hate relationship with gravity for some time, huh?
"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 04:00pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#213 of 257)
Falling is fun, huh Shroom?
It's the sudden stop which is a huge bummer.
When I was a kid, I drove my parents crazy diving from the rafters of the barn into the loose hay.
What I learned doing that I had to unlearn when I started on the dive team! LOL
[EFI] - 06:59pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#214 of 257)
To Lara,
The terms "liberal" and "conservative" may well be intended to prevent consenus. I would much rather see people discussing individual
issues than party labels.
And these "forums" are not like what BBS's used to be like. I keep hoping there would be a way to integrate the contend of the past with
the volume of the present. But I did not say it was happening, only that the potential should be appealing to everyone.
Don't you see that we (the people) have been essentially shut out of the political process, by the way the media has become so powerful
and controled by so few? The Internet provides a whole new opportunity for the people to regain at least a little access to the political
process.
But of course, being so open to public access, the Internet is also somewhat fragile.
What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 07:03pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#215 of 257)
Please everyone, just ignore Matt's drivel.
When we kids, we lived behind a dirt farm. The dirt was piled about 75 feet in the air. It made for great sledding in the winter & in the
summer we used to play kamikaze. Soft landings on the topsoil prevented broken bones.
I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 07:07pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#216 of 257)
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 02:28pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#205 of 216)
LOL - I am speaking of at home, and I have a system of pieces of cloth I wash. After use they go into a bleach
bucket.
I am managing a restaurant and I am forced by that to be sanitary, I assure you.
I love you to death Mike, but I think I’m gonna hurl...
There's fever in the funkhouse now [ex-glencarr] - 07:30pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#217 of 257)
When I was in Mexico, you were supposed to put the "used" pieces of TP in a dry bin. Disgusting but I guess that's how they do it down
there.
I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 07:31pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#218 of 257)
Oh yeah. I‘m am gonna hurl...
[EFI] - 07:33pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#219 of 257)
To Meulling42,
I was not attempting to displace blame as much as attempting to remind people how these situations could be avoided in the future. I am
under no illusions that there is any way to repair the damage anymore.
And I agree that there can be far greater evils. I was thinking of injustice in the abstract.
There's fever in the funkhouse now [ex-glencarr] - 07:37pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#220 of 257)
Please ignore Matt, everyone. This has gone on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long.
[lara croft] - 09:56pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#221 of 257)
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 02:28pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#205 of 216)
LOL - I am speaking of at home, and I have a system of pieces of cloth I wash. After use they go into a bleach bucket.
Oooooooooooooh that's WAYYYYYY to much information (TMI).
BTW
How is using biodegradable TP worse than unleasing bleach on the ecosystem?
[lara croft] - 09:57pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#222 of 257)
Kirk
It's time you stop deluding yourself and get a job.
Your parents need the room.
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 09:59pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#223 of 257)
Kirk
Remember - lots of grains, fresh fruits & vegetables & regular exercise.
That constipation will be fixed up in a couple of days.
You're welcome.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 10:06pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#224 of 257)
Skittles:
Please go over and visit the Parting Glass Saloon. I'll pay your tab, whatever you want, as long as you ONLY talk about sports or women.
Nessus
The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 11:07pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#225 of 257)
"SO, Mike, you've had this love/hate relationship with gravity for some time, huh?"
Story of my life Dave. I can't count how many time I fell out of trees when I was a kid. I was a paratrooper in the army and I was so weak
onthe final jump from Pjase one of ther Special Forces Qualification course I am surprised I didn;t get hurt worse then.
So what happens" some pippley faces jerk of a geek wannabe cop security guard plays Dirty Harry pulling my rope nearly killing me.
If the irony and capriciousness of the universe didn't amuse me so much, I might have given up trying to get that wind mill I am always
metaphorically jousting with in whatever I do.
Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. [CooterBrown] - 12:52am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#226 of 257)
Jaguar makes a great engine? ROFLMAO!!'
I got into a race this morning with a new Jag coupe on the interstate. V-8.
The ten year old high performance 5 litre (American) ate his complete lunch. We started at almost 80, and at 110 I had close to 10 car
lengths on him.
I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 12:54am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#227 of 257)
I saw a CONQUEST on the way home. It was the same year as my Trigger only white. ***Sigh**** The laws I broke in that car....
**sniff** nostalgia, I'm overcome...
Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 12:58am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#228 of 257)
Conquest?
Trigger?
I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 04:47am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#229 of 257)
Trigger...
Trigger was my 1984 brand new Mitsubishi Conquest, black, pretty, and very fast...
I had saw Smokey and the Bandit II that year? or the year before, and there was a line in the film where Jerry Reed calls his little black
Trans Am "son of trigger"...... we (everybody) just started calling my car Trigger, until she finally died when I ran her into a Burger
King.........
[utlib2001] - 05:13am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#230 of 257)
[CooterBrown] - 12:52am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#227 of 230) "The ten year old high performance 5 litre (American) ate his complete lunch.
We started at almost 80, and at 110 I had close to 10 car lengths on him."
Cooter, do you have a will?
Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. [CooterBrown] - 09:37am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#231 of 257)
Yeah, but not a lot to put in it....lol! Don't worry, I'm not prone to drop the hammer. That guy just pissed me off.
May you always have fair winds and following seas [wardaddy] - 01:19pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#232 of 257)
Dusty
Hurling is also called, "Calling O'Rourke."
Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 06:28pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#233 of 257)
Or "Talking to Ralph"
Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 06:31pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#234 of 257)
Burger King, Duh?
Was it the fat content that killed him or the starch?
Nous nous vivons ensemble, mes amis [Ferret Mike] - 07:46pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#235 of 257)
bump
I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 08:02pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#236 of 257)
Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 06:31pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#235 of 236)
Burger King, Duh?
Was it the fat content that killed him or the starch?
Neither, it was the Northwest wall...
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 09:27pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#237 of 257)
Eat yer hearts out boys and girls. There is a thread in FReeperland: Nomination: Most obnoxious FReeper poster
And I made the cut.
Heh, heh.
"To: [handle deleted]
ferret
125 Posted on 12/29/2000 16:26:07 PST by [deleted]
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To: [deleted]
"ferret"
Ferret was real and not the sort of poseur that some of our other nominations have been and actually from time to time
attempted to use logic and rationality. Arguing with him was more like actual debate. That is a quality very rare in leftists
and should not be denigrated.
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To: [deleted]
That is not what I have seen in ferret. I have seen impetuous delight in the power to harm property owners and industry.
I have seen twisted truths and half logic in support of property damage with flippant disregard for the technical
arguments that the ecological consequences of his actions are destructive. I have yet to see a technical reference from
him either. We disagree.
153 Posted on 12/29/2000 18:08:44 PST by [deleted]
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I replied, of course, damn, I'm honored as I have hardly been there for a long long time other then lurking.
[Darby-415] - 01:50am Mar 27, 2001 EST (#238 of 257)
Dave, Dave, Dave--I've been trying to formulate a meaningful something to say to the 'Supreme Being and Ruler of the Universe' and
my little blond peabrain ain't coming up with anything remotely profound.
I am afraid I will run out of time to say something to ya, due to R/L constraints so this is the best I can do! If I get time before TIME shuts
this pop stand down I'll see if I can be a bit more articulate!
You were and are the best. If you hadn't decided to be a human being and join the fray here and share your political views and insights,
I doubt very seriously you would have had to endure all the hateful shots and continous crap from the RWWs about being biased. No one
would have known your opinions and used them against you.
Because you weren't vaguely biased. I can't think of a single person you banned that wasn't begging for it. And lest anyone
doesn't know I am a Liberatrian that tilts hard to the right!
You are probably THE only left-wing-loon that ever made made me reconsider my views with your thoughtful and articulate posts as
Dave Gin and I thank you for all you've contributed.
Since I haven't got a legit question, where's this quote from? 'I love you, man.'
I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 02:46am Mar 27, 2001 EST (#239 of 257)
So, Dave...
The board is set to shut down right after 11:59:59 p.m. Saturday, March 31. A second later it will be April 1. What's chances Mr Upstairs
will then jump out and start a new thread called April Fool! and the board will be up and running again?
Not good, eh?
[Darby-415] - 02:49am Mar 27, 2001 EST (#240 of 257)
Robbie, I can't stand it! That was to be my next post, dammit!! As usual you are one step ahead of me!!!!
I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 02:55am Mar 27, 2001 EST (#241 of 257)
Heh heh heh... it's my lightning fingers, Darby.
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 05:10am Mar 27, 2001 EST (#242 of 257)
It's ironic to me. April Fool's day was the start of Saturday Market in Eugene last year.
I got off after doing the overnight we do to iron out the start of a new season and went over to the university to log on and check in
what was happening here.
If I had known tbis place was in jepardy then... IT makes me sad to see this board die. The naysayers be damned, this site has potential
and it but takes a will to invest what it takes to make it work.
Time.Com would have been well advised to establish roles for maintaining this board's function as it changed and grew. I see the lack of
vision thing at Time. And I am sure there are personal power plays of different people there at work helping this shut down be reality.
I will never trust the board run by a large corporation again. If we want a place like this, it is those posting in it who should organize to
start and then run it.
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 05:30am Mar 27, 2001 EST (#243 of 257)
-*sigh* the thread count has waned to 135. The traffic is at an ebb. Not much left to do but put flowers on the casket.
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 06:49am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#244 of 257)
Any word on Time.Com's plans yet Dave?
Put a stop to inbreeding- ban country music!!! [charolais] - 07:07am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#245 of 257)
Mike, ck your mail- I hope I had the correct addy.
Moo
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 07:17am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#246 of 257)
MMMOOOOOOOOOO!!! Ferret@surffast.com? Lurker@surffast.com still works too, but I am phasing that out.
My living situation was so tenuous when I was doing full time activism I neglected to stay in touch with you and others as well as I
wanted too. But I have a place and a quality computer of my own so fortunately this has changed.
I'll check the mail and get back to you there as well.
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 07:39am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#247 of 257)
Alas, Ms. R...I'm afraid the End Days approach. And aren't a joke. I wouldn't trade the moments of joy this place gave me for anything.
Darby...I'm blushing, not an easy thing for me to do. Thanks. You are the lovliest Libertarian I know. I hope Hank can handle the news.
Mike...sorry, no news from the Home Office. Which in itself is pretty much SOP.
Dave
Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 11:36pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#248 of 257)
Whoa, well don't tell Bill. The only thing keeping him together emotionally is his belief that TOL will soon open another version of these
boards and he will be able to continue his reign of crapola for eternity.
He seems to think he has some inside knowledge. The voices told him.
You'll miss me after April 1!! [Oregon_Jim] - 11:42pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#249 of 257)
The voices told him
Maybe it was Natrona's bird.
You'll miss me after April 1!! [Oregon_Jim] - 11:42pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#249 of 257)
The voices told him
Maybe it was Natrona's bird.
Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. [CooterBrown] - 05:30am Mar 30, 2001 EST (#250 of 257)
Wednesday, I had to send Janice Castro a letter threatening to sue her ass! ROFLMAO!!
Of course it's not our Janice.....but if it were, I suspect that we could "work something out." ;-)
So long and thanks for all the fish! [Duh_] - 05:37am Mar 30, 2001 EST (#251 of 257)
I will never trust the board run by a large corporation again. If we want a place like this, it is those posting in it
who should organize to start and then run it.
Now, see there's where we differ... A big organization is only interest in MONEY.... which effectively blinds them to all other bias and
viewpoints. Money - being the only visible factor - puts all other bias on a level playing field... until money becomes the only factor......
then woe is us, eh?
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 06:31am Mar 30, 2001 EST (#252 of 257)
I am going to miss this board. It has meant a whole bunch to me and has added to my life like the good spice it is.
I have gotten to know many good people, have enjoyed reading their posts, and I have seen things better with the help of their eyes and
hearts.
I regret I didn't spend more time writing in the Rumpus Room and other social threads, but that has never been a strenght of mine,
socializing casually.
Being other then an introvert in my existence was an adquired skill born from a home life in a family of six kids where I went to so
many schools and other factors where I had to think fast to be a survivor.
I never expected this place to give me a bit more grace in how well I learn to know others and improve how other percieve me in turn.
Some gifts just come from places you'd least expect them.
Tomas Wolf in his book "Look Homeward Angle" repeatedly says "You can't go home again." He points to how no matter how one tries,
what has been has been has been, and we should value the good and bad for what it was and go on to the next too short parts of our too
furiously short lives.
Dave, you have always been between something of a rock and a hard place in your role situated between those who own this site and
those who make it a community. When I first got here how I percieved foolishly I could do it better then you or Marcus, and reflected on
how much this place needed my wisdom . As I practiced aspects of dealing with people in ways I needed to do better in to avoid the crash
and burn mode many activists I know fall into I look back and know that I could only have hoped I could have done half as well as you
both did. I have become better practiced at communication skills and finding the roads on the roadmap of life to better navigate in real
life, and actually do things better, in a more rounded fashion.
Articulating introspection always makes me feel maudlin and uncomfortable and sometimes I try to fit so much in a post without
re-writing it enough everything gets tangled up and hard to understand.
This is but part of the old human paradox born of having minds that learn and grow an entire lifetime, and think fast and are coupled
with senses that imput and output so much more limited and slower then can actually tax what the brain could do if given the equvalent
of a better CPU installed on a powerful computer.
This board has helped me with the focus of what it means to be human in its strenghts and weaknesses by getting to know others in
ways that is harder to do in real time.
I spent less time here in recent months as my translating what I learned here helped pulled me into the community at large in a way
deeper then I have gone before. I have had the paradox of having too little time to be in here as much as I have been from time to time
because real time has been so much richer.
As I move on here in Eugene and continue to build my life here, I will always have a warm glow thinking of this place, and the
incredible number of wonderful people of all stripes I have gotten to know in here and the spirit they all fostered, and the relationships
we have all forged.
I wish you much adventure and joy in your life Dave and company. I will still be around and I am sure I can keep some of the threads of
communication with people in here for some time to come, but this place is dying today, and that has made me think of the wisdom in
Wolf's books that forged them into the American literature of stature they have today.
We can't go home again, but if we are careful, what was can be the guiding blocks to make the future a warmer and better one as we
move along in our separate and collective journeys though life.
I wish you Dave and all my other fellow travelers on this board success and happiness no matter where we all end up in life's journey.
I salute you all.
No regrets [Hardigan] - 06:33am Mar 30, 2001 EST (#253 of 257)
So where will you graze next Mike?
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 07:10am Mar 30, 2001 EST (#254 of 257)
The forum Sherrie started mainly. I would also like to help built a private BBS. I see a need for a place with the depth of script, software
and bandwith of this one. I see that there is a coherent and caring enough community in here to sustain one.
The biggest flaw in this one is we had not enough control of our destiny, and I am confident that can be remedied.
I will also continue in a very minor way to post infrequently ar Free Rebublic as there is much I have learned from watching the
mistakes they all make which narrows and deminishes that forum.
You all have yet to see the last of me. ;-)
hobbb [hobbb] - 02:19pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#255 of 257)
From my sheer blundering in here on a search for Bulletin boards in the summer of 1997...
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 02:20pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#256 of 257)
... To the spring of 2001, what a long strange trip it's been.
Thank you all, and best of luck.
-Michael Joseph McCarthy
Southern Willamette Earth First!
Eugene, Oregon
McCarthyism isn't always a bad thing. [Ferret Mike] - 03:49pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#257 of 257)
The USS Pathfinder is decomissioned. Set her tattered sheet, hoist her anchor, and lock her rudder straight with her pointed to sea. Fire a
last 21 gun salute as she passes the mouth of the harbor and seeks the high waves.
Though she dies and sinks unmanned after a week sailing into the deep waters, her memory will always be with us as her faithful
community lives on.
