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[Jared7] - 05:41pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#1 of 417)

Isaiah is my favorite memory as he got me into Paulinism and anti-Paulines, but that's probably way too obscure for most of you
now.

Actually, my favorite memory is getting to know so many brave gays and lesbians out there who are not afraid to express views
behind an annonymous nickname:-)

Uh, there's always TPS - that moribund site!

Non-sequiter alert! Man, I love skiing!!

Go Hoyas!! Beat Maryland!!

J

[Sacerdotal] - 05:45pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#2 of 417)

It's about "TIME" and probably AOL more than "TIME".

I would love to have been in that Executive Meeting to learn what the real reasons were.

[Jared7] - 05:52pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#3 of 417)

Yeah, maybe if we "Star Trek" them with lots of e-mails, they'll relent or perhaps publish their reasons, but I doubt it. Any favorite
memories??

Another one of mine is when Thear taught me how to use colors - yeah, like it worked!

J

[Jared7] - 05:59pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#4 of 417)

Uh, one of my least favorite memories is of each and every thread that I started, they ALL sink to the bottom in a matter of seconds.
Banking law reform?? Anybody remember that one?? I doubt it! Only if I start ranting about how unfair life is for gays and lesbians
do I get any attention (although bacchus is always good for a great debate on just about anything and everything!)

J

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 06:02pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#5 of 417)

Gosh, I had almost forgotten about Thearacon. He did those marvelous html posts in LIVING color. lol

Jared, I remember your encounters with Dittophile very well. What fun, eh? *G* I am still in touch with him and will have to let him
know the boards are closing. This is really sad.

I have favorite memories all over the place, but I suppose my ultimate favorites were from the race threads, and the many
wonderful people who spent so much time there (as I did) discussing and cussing. :) I will never forget the passion, but most of all
the education I got on those threads.

[Jared7] - 06:09pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#6 of 417)

Hi Libby! Yeah, Ditto and I had a real intimate little thang going there for awhile. He's so cool! I loved it when he put me down in post
after post after post, never yielding an inch!! Uh, I stayed off the race threads after Shah read me the riot act one day. I remember
your best posts were on the abortion threads with all sorts of posters who now seem long gone (but are probably still here just with
different nicks).

Sorry if my crush on Thear sounds like sort of a never-ending obsession.

But Blue Lime Rules!

J

Don't get up, gentlemen, I'm only passing through. [moonberry] - 06:19pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#7 of 417)

Ya might wanna check out the latimes discussions if ya wanna meet some really incorrigible nutwads.

[Jared7] - 06:21pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#8 of 417)

Another fave is Ol Perf's trillion+ goodbyes, which were always eloquent and well-stated.

And Jollyollie, who I think remains extremely pissed at me for supporting the heroic and life-saving effort in the Balkans!!

And Steveny - what a funny guy!

And SusieQ, who always starts me humming CCR.

J (*desperately striving for this thread not to sink dramatically and precipitously to the bottom of the ashcan of history*)

[Jared7] - 06:28pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#9 of 417)

And who can forget Wardaddy, who was the very first to welcome me here and who's last communication to me was to call me a liar!

And Jim Stirckland, who I suppose is off in Arabia somewhere and who totally ruined my Deep Throat threads with all that Linda
Lovelace talk ...

JBoy (*about to give up on this whole memory thang and launch into the Anti-Jared Freeper that I truly am*)

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 06:31pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#10 of 417)

I think we have about three or four "memories" threads going on, Jared. Don't know if they'll all stay up or not. We only have two
short weeks before it's all gone. :(

Shah...my precious level headed Shah, read you the riot act?? LOL I must have missed that...or forgotten about it. There were soooo
many race threads. Same with the gay threads, which I also spent some time on. All you guys were marvelous...very good with your
arguments. Always a pleasure to read.

[Jared7] - 06:37pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#11 of 417)

Well, I took the other threads to be bitching and whining threads whereas this one could be the memory thread. As usual, I am being
ignored, but that goes with the territory:-)

Yeah, I said something mild about liking Hootie and the Blowfish and that pretty much stamped this anti-apartheid activist (i.e., me)
as a racist forever. Go figure.

And speaking of the gay threads, there was nobody like Hambone:-)!!!!!

J

[Jared7] - 06:48pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#12 of 417)

And of course, my vote for fave nickname of all time goes to Locutuss of Borg!

J (*yeah, like anybody other than me is ever going to post on this thread*) Thanks Libby!

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 06:52pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#13 of 417)

LOL! I'm sorry, Jared! I LOVE the title! Love Barbra Streisand and that song! *G*

I remember Locutuss! Gosh, many have come and gone....and my "memory" is not what it used to be. *sigh*

[Johnnyba] - 06:54pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#14 of 417)

Yes I remember Locutuss as well. He was a good guy.

Jared you remember the fellow who called himself the Devil's Advocate?

[La Lil'One] - 06:56pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#15 of 417)

Anyone recall Marfark? ...truly one of the odder posters.

Also, one of my favorite exchanges was between Babette and Panama Hank on a Chicom "takeover" of the Pananam Canal.

[Jared7] - 07:00pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#16 of 417)

Locutuss was a riot but nobody compares to johnnyba, who set the standard in wit, intelligence, analytical acumen, good looks,
friendship, collegiality and all-round great-guyhood.

Yes, I remember the Devil, who served his master so very well!

J

There's just something about the way you look tonight - it takes my breath away* *JBoy having an Elton John moment*

[FAUFORDE] - 07:00pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#17 of 417)

Oh, so THIS is your thread, Jared!

the Mighty Thearchon,

Yes! He was quite a regular, than one day, he's gone. There's so many like that. Recently TSean was posting regualr, then he
suddenly left. It leaves you feeling kinda empty...

Fauforde and his refusal ever to look me up in Chitown,

Aw, heck. I actually haven't been for about a year. Tell you what, I am planning to come in a month or so. THEN we will get together.

[Jared7] - 07:09pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#18 of 417)

Hiya fauforde2! Yeah right, and the checks in the mail and I won't come ... (*JBoy desperately scheduling a trip to Thailand next
month*)

The Babster!! I love her!! She and I agreed on cigarettes and little else.

The SeanMan! Way too McCainesque for me, but otherwise too cool!

J

GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 07:11pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#19 of 417)

Too show you how long I've been here, check out this poem I wrote to some Pathfinder regulars in July of 96. Before Clinton defeated
Dole.

Though it’s like arguing with Stone.....I must pick a Bone....With a Texan named Tony

He’s a Texas Cornpone....Of whom it is Known....That he luvs Guns and fat Macaroni

He’ll go into Town.... And vote for H. Browne.....Who’s ideas are loony and Phony

Now he luvs all his guns...Cuz nary a One...Is made by a firm named of Sony

His best fiend is Mel...Who gives so much Hell....To Liberals and all of their Ilk

But Dole’s polls are all down....So Mel puts on a Frown....And cries all over Spilt Milk

If he’d quit Teasing Lee...Then surely He’d See.....That Clinton is smoother than Silk

The scandals they Rage.... But with the Minimum Wage...The Republicans Money he Bilks

Now poor dear old Lee....Can’t see Forest for Tree....Cuz she’s much too Proper and Staid

But surely she’d Know....Her mind it would Grow....If only She’d try getting Laid

For Bill Clinton it’s worked...He’s not such a Jerk...And a wonderful President he’s Made

Now DittoPhile is Amazed...For Sowell he is Crazed...That people don’t think he’s too Smart

If only his words would make Sense...He wouldn’t seem Dense....And maybe we’d look at his Charts

Now I’ve had too much Drink....I can’t hardly Think....And hope I haven’t been Mean

But to the Big and the Small....From Student Of It All....I’m stuck in a nightmarish Dream

That Clinton will Stumble...The ball he will Fumble....And Dole will become the new King

Now I know he’s too Old.....His character he’s Sold ....And he’d screw up a really good Thing

So beware the Smug Look....Work Hard, Hook and Crook....And Clinton’s Praise you must Sing

And at the end of the Year....We Surely will Hear.....That Bill Clinton has captured the Ring.

[FAUFORDE] - 07:13pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#20 of 417)

(*JBoy desperately scheduling a trip to Thailand next month*)

Thant's gonna be tough coming all the way back just to go to a Cubbies game with me, isn't it?

[Jared7] - 07:18pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#21 of 417)

Great Poem Primo! I came (er, arrived) soon thereafter, but I remember just about all of those mentioned.

The graceless Cubbies, huh?? I'm not sure if I can walk that far (about a block and a half). I've got it - I'll go skiing again (*JBoy
recovering from monstrous tear of ACL or something like that which his nephews call "old man's knee*)

J

They're selling postcards of the hanging... [DaveGin] - 07:19pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#22 of 417)

There was no one like Hambone.

[SusieQueue] - 07:22pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#23 of 417)

Jared,

I'm always tickled when I can serve as the impetus to get someone to listen to CCR. *G*

This seems like as good a time as any to let you know the Christmas card I sent you was returned -- "Addressee moved, no forwarding
address." I figured I'd never track you down, since the e-mail address I have for you doesn't seem current, either. Anyway, shoot me
a note at msqueue@hotmail.com, OK? I have some news that might interest you....

The ORIGINAL SusieQueue

My sole purpose is to serve as a warning to others [Duh_] - 07:23pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#24 of 417)

*******sigh***********

[Johnnyba] - 07:24pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#25 of 417)

Well thanks Jared. :) You're not so bad yourself.

Now where the heck is Snow Pea? He seemed to disappear a while back.

Dave I'm still hedging on weather or not Hambone was even really like Hambone. It almost seemed like a charecter somebody really
bored came up with.

Or maybe he's the guy that does the Fred Phelps web page.

[SusieQueue] - 07:24pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#26 of 417)

Dave,

There was no one like Hambone.

Mel gave him a pretty good run for the money, though! lol!

[Jared7] - 07:27pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#27 of 417)

Susie!! The blond bombshell!! Uh, the address remains correct - I was away for over 6 weeks and our wonderful post office decided
that I had moved. Got a lot of grief from the family who wasn't exactly aware of the situation, but that's another story. Delivery seems
okay now, but I'll e-mail you anyway.

J

[SusieQueue] - 07:30pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#28 of 417)

Jared,

Send me the mailing address, then, too. I've cleaned out my computerized mailing list since the holidays. *G*

They're selling postcards of the hanging... [DaveGin] - 07:34pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#29 of 417)

Hey, who do I have to kill to get a drink around here?

No, Johnny, Hammie was real. I have the email to prove it.

[SusieQueue] - 07:39pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#30 of 417)

.*pouring Dave a drink*

Chugalug, Dave!

[Jared7] - 07:41pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#31 of 417)

I think most can agree, real or not, that Hambone was peerless.

J

Blue Lime Continues to Rule!

[Jared7] - 08:03pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#32 of 417)

And who can possibly forget the absolute magnificence of linguist, who clearly knows his way with words as though that was his
profession!

J

[La Lil'One] - 08:19pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#33 of 417)

anyone recall last summers invasion of the skull-eating Esmes?

And then there was the poster Tresor. That name sounded familiar, then I found out it meant "vault" in German.

Or how about the Julia Butterfly Tree-sitter thread? I think this board was where I first heard about her, and then later in the real
news...Ferret Mike/Hobbb always ran a neat thread.

And Sherrie G seeing that Alaska Airlines plane crash into the Pacific...wow...she was there on the coast when it crashed! And
McDuffy turning me on to that documentary on the troubles in Sierra Leone.

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 08:20pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#34 of 417)

SusieQueue

You and Libby were the calmest and most sincere of the many gifted posters here but there are many good people on here.

Dave

I would like to buy you a drink Dave to thank you for not kicking me off the boards even though we both know I deserved it many
times over. I tried to develop a little class but when you start out with a rock it's hard to get it to shine… LOL

GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:29pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#35 of 417)

I would like to buy you a drink Dave to thank you for not kicking me off the boards even though we both know I deserved it many
times over.

Me too. Though he did kick off a few of my other aliases. Usually with reason. I can think of 3 off hand. Wonder if he knew it was
me?

[SusieQueue] - 08:31pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#36 of 417)

Thank you, Trevor. I'll never forget the night I really first "encountered" you, over at TPS on the space thread... talking about full
moons. *G*

You've got my e-mail addy at hotmail. Keep in touch and let me know where you "land."

Oh! And keep an eye out for MIR's re-entry tomorrow night! *still stargazing*


[_Me_] - 08:36pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#37 of 417)

My first thread on the board was 'Bravo Ellen' when Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet. There was a guy who was GROSSLY
obnoxious named Oscar who made my blood boil with his dingbatty ideas about homosexuality....but he and I came to like and respect
each other. I miss him...he went to Saudi years ago and had no access.

There were the wood chisel threads. Paradise Cafe, the Rumpus Rooms. Playing with Tony in the race threads...and Muehlbauer.
Where did he go?

Cooter.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 08:36pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#38 of 417)

Oh, geez, DaveGin, you laconic Texan.

Now I can tell you......

You really were pretty fair as a moderator.

I just like to bitch........

[_Me_] - 08:37pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#39 of 417)

Jared, Jim Strickland is the guy I am talking about, who was 'Oscar' when I first came here.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 08:37pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#40 of 417)

Liz....Liz....Liz......

You had a genius for pissing off certain ladies around here.

It was great fun to watch your cat-fights.

GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:38pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#41 of 417)

I just like to bitch........

Such an opening and yet I've promised to be nice... sigh...

[_Me_] - 08:41pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#42 of 417)

Well, it was interesting anyway, GW ; )

[La Lil'One] - 08:43pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#43 of 417)

"it was great fun to watch your cat-fights."

uh, I don't know...I recall getting caught up in a "ladys thread" where OJ said he was leaving and I took it to mean leaving the board
altogether....it was a particularly strange thread that even got DaveGin involved.

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 08:45pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#44 of 417)

[SusieQueue] - 08:31pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#36 of 39)

Thank you, Trevor. I'll never forget the night I really first "encountered" you, over at TPS on the space thread... talking about full
moons. *G*

We will be posting again SusieQ and yes I remember TPS. I left here for a year and posted over there with some great people like you
and MSRobbie and even old Mel… LOL

I still gaze at the stars and wonder just why are we even here, and does anything we do or say really matter…

Ol'Perf [Ol'Perfesser] - 09:02pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#45 of 417)

All right....since there is little chance of me becoming re-addicted between today and tomorrow, when I go on an extended business
trip that will carry me past the drop-dead date for PF, I figured I would contribute something to Jared's memory thread...

.....DESPITE the rather "praising with faint damns" catty comment about my million goodbyes!!

*pfffftttttt*

*wink*

I stepped into this brouhaha in '96, about the time of the national political conventions.

The folks I remember most pleasantly from that time were Kadien, Sherrie, GreenHag, Isis, Yancey, GW, Jollyollie, Nocable, Radmod,
Wilycat, Bricklayer, Armyman, alwright, Duh and Sundance. Looking at that list now, I see how few have persisted to the end of the
road here.

I remember the night that Bob Dole fell off the stage during his campaign, and the hilarious thread Kadien started mimicking him
as a song-and-dance-man, only to have a lot of small minded and humourless individuals snipe incessantly about that. Gee, if only
they could have forseen the four years of guttersnipe character assassination that were going to show up AFTER the election!!!

I remember the Dinner Party from All History, with Sundance as the quintessential mime.

I remember the Roy Rogers/Dale Evans send up in the Republican Rumpus Room, and the "Panama Hank for President" campaign.

I remember the New Years Eve party at which Duh seduced The Incredible Me! live on line, only to discover that he was an underage
high school boy..*G*G*G*

I remember Roger Gay, who blamed the entire world's problems on the stupidity of women and the bad treatment men got from
heartless ex-wives after divorce...LOL...and how he raised the hackles of the Gutter Grrllls. *G*

That was before we blamed everything bad on Bill Clinton, of course. *wink*...continuing retroactively now and into the far, far
future. No need for any active pursuit of the real causes of problems, hey??

I remember serious and interesting discussions on science, including the Space Program, with Dr. Planarian, Whatsupchuck and
SusieQueue....

I remember Cybeeria, over on the old Introduce Yourself board, where Tom's Single Malt Shoppe also persisted in a little pool of calm
gentility, for the most part at least....

I remember Crethar's poetry threads...

I remember lots more....and perhaps I will get back here once more before the deep, dark, night closes around PF.

But if not...I hope each and every one of the participants here finds somewhere on the net, the outlet for political expression their
talents best fit...*G*

[Duffy] - 09:02pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#46 of 417)

La Lil,

And McDuffy turning me on to that documentary on the troubles in Sierra Leone.

No problem :-) Thanks for listening and being respectful about it. There was a lot of brutality in that country. They are real people
with real faces. You seemed to be able to grasp that very well unlike others that ridiculed my grandmother's brutal death at the
hands of the rebels. You also gave a link (that I saved) about a company that used to be in Dayton (that had close ties to SL). Sierra
Rutile, I believe. I know Sierra Leone has a wealth of (badly managed) diamonds, but I didn't know about the other main natural
resource. I wish you and your SO well. :-)

My sole purpose is to serve as a warning to others [Duh_] - 09:04pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#47 of 417)

OH GOD YES... Ol’Perf... shades of the past ghosts, I do remember a bunch now... I’m going to be drinking tonight....

[Jared7] - 09:06pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#48 of 417)

Catty??!!! It was meant to be downright insulting!!:-) Great to see you again perfmeister! E-Mail Susie please so she can e-mail me
about that thang (but not the second thang - if you've ever seen Analyze This, it's supposed to be a joke).

Dang!! Lady Techsters are whipping the Lady Frogs!

J

Ol'Perf [Ol'Perfesser] - 09:10pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#49 of 417)

Dang!! Lady Techsters are whipping the Lady Frogs!

Hope they aren't playing somewhere in the South: I think that sort of behavior is illegal in six states. LOL

Jared...didn't your OTHER Frogs get fricasseed by the big bad Rainbow Warriors with all those unpronouceable names? *coughing
discreetly* Slavic names, not Hawaiian ones...LOL

I will email you toady.....errr...TODAY...

Must have your Frogs on my mind...*wink*

[Duffy] - 09:11pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#50 of 417)

I remember the Dinner Party from All History, with Sundance as the quintessential mime.

Hmmmmmmmm, tell more lol

I'll have to ask him about that. I'm sure he'll come on and read it this week. He's one of the sexiest men I've ever met and I am so glad
that I got the chance to flirt with him like crazy. LOL I had to get that in.

He's a good friend and he stood by me through a lot of 'stuff'. I'm glad that we got the chance to get to know each other. I hope we
will be friends for a lifetime. Same with Libby and Kariann. They are part of my family and I love them all dearly.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 09:13pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#51 of 417)

Oh, geez.....

Ol' Perf. How the hell are you?

And you mentioned Dr. Planarian (the flatworm). Remember him?

A formidable foe for my razor-sharp Republican wit...........

[Jared7] - 09:16pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#52 of 417)

Not the Rainbow Warriors or is it just the football team that's homophobic?? Our tennis team will wallop the Warriors (er, Bows) all
over the court!!

Thanks for the memories! Unfortunately, my best memories of you are from that other place.

Hey - Linguist has been here and has ignored my thread just like fauforde. The Anti-Jared freeper is debating how to strike back!

Another fave memory - Dan'l!!

J

Ol'Perf [Ol'Perfesser] - 09:17pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#53 of 417)

I am fair to middlin', GW. As long as I stay away from my Celtic tendencies towards addictive behaviors...e.g. THIS place....I manage to
muddle through.

Big Ten has three through to the Sweet-16, though neither Badgers nor Buckeyes played up to snuff.

They look like a lock for SOMEONE to make the finals.

Wife and cat missing. $50 reward for cat.... [wardaddy] - 09:18pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#54 of 417)

[Jared7] - 06:28pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#9 of 51) And who can forget Wardaddy, who was the very first to welcome me here and who's
last communication to me was to call me a liar!

I called you a liar? Never happen.

[La Lil'One] - 09:20pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#55 of 417)

Duffy, thanks...recall I wrote a paper on urbanization in SL for a college class so am somewhat familiar with the place.

And thanks for that wish. The SO is doing OK...his problems are now more with his back...not AIDS related.

Ol'Perf [Ol'Perfesser] - 09:22pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#56 of 417)

Jared, it is the idiot administration that is afraid of appearing homophobic ...or homophilic!! Either way...they are against extremists
on both sides: those who want to deny homosexuals equal rights, and those who want to ensure those rights.

heheheheheh

Of course, no one associated the "Rainbow" appellation with homosexuality until they decided to ban the name. Then of course, both
sides immediately seized on its symbolic nature, meaning that everything is now cast in concrete and compromise is now impossible.

At least we got rid of that weird mascot, who looked like some 16 year old on steroids...HAHAHAHAHAH

Of course, not EVERYONE can have a mascot as spiffy as Bucky Badger.

I mean, look at that silly hackey sack that GW's team is forced to use as a mascot!..heheheheheh

Wife and cat missing. $50 reward for cat.... [wardaddy] - 09:23pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#57 of 417)

Jared

I never called you a liar.

[Jared7] - 09:24pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#58 of 417)

Hi Wardaddy! I only deserve to be called a liar when I actually lie (which, according to my dittohead nephews is often)! Don't worry
about it - it was just meant to be a joke (and probably a bad one at that). (I think it had something to do with Kathleen Willey...)

Another memory - Paul Revere!

J

[Duffy] - 09:26pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#59 of 417)

Duffy, thanks...recall I wrote a paper on urbanization in SL for a college class so am somewhat familiar with the place.

That's right! I had forgotten about that. You did share a lot about that. Thanks :-)

And thanks for that wish. The SO is doing OK...his problems are now more with his back...not AIDS related.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess it's better that it's not AIDS related. I remember you told me that so many months ago. I hope he'll always be
able to get the medication that he needs to stay healthy.

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 09:28pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#60 of 417)

Caw! Remember the Raven…

[La Lil'One] - 09:31pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#61 of 417)

McDuff...no problemo..hes a survivor.

It is too bad about this place going away, though. This was like the neigborhood tavern without the beer (or with the beer, except it
was in a stein next to the keyboard).

Ol'Perf [Ol'Perfesser] - 09:32pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#62 of 417)

Oh, and Cajun!!!...How could I forget that Cajun was one of the originals I found here at AllPolitics??

I remember being confused between Cajun and Kadien...LOLOL

Now THERE are two very dear people whom you would NEVER confuse once you knew much about them...

Though, they could confuse YOU..*G*

[Jared7] - 09:34pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#63 of 417)

Another fave - Treetop!! That Roman Catholic expert on Presbyterianism was always so pithy and articulate!! One time he posted this
great quote from Umberto Eco that fit the situation so perfectly and Dave immediately deleted it and warned him about ad homs! It
was classic!

J

"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 09:42pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#64 of 417)

Damn...

I came here back before Clinton's first election...

Marcus was still the moderator, and it was a few months later that Dave started being the co-moderator...

Remember the "Ask Marcus and Dave" threads?

Sherrie and I threw rocks at each other, bloodied many a room.

Ferret Mike, known as hobbb back then, and I got into many a fight over Gays in the military. I'm surprised that neither of us got
banned over some of the shots that sailed through cyberspace during those discussions.

Surprisingly, Sherrie and Mike are two people I count among my friends here.

We still don't agree often, but the discussions are alot more civil. *G*

There there was SBB, Sunbaked Bob. I remmber listening to Rush one day when Bob got on the air with him. Rush ate him for lunch!

There are just too many people who have made these boards too much fun to be able to express in words.

I'mm gonna have to put together some notes to have a proper good-bye to post on the 30th.

[La Lil'One] - 09:43pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#65 of 417)

I used to get Treetop and Talltimber confused...Talltimber was a Kentuckian retired factory manager from around Bowling Green...a
Centre College alum...I enjoyed talking KY politics with him (and used to accuse him of really being a Republican...he did convince
me otherwise).

[La Lil'One] - 09:45pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#66 of 417)

Goodlord...I remember SunBakedBob...great handle...he had that little poll going that was showing Buchanen doing so good back in
the primary season....and didnt he do that site visit to the Cheney house...taking photos? Or was that Serious Summer?

This board was around in 1992 and 93? Before Clintons first election?

[FAUFORDE] - 08:42am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#67 of 417)

Ol Perf!

Glad to see you came back for one more "goodbye"!! <g>

There's just too many memories right now..I have to sort them out sometime.

I loved the time the Non-cussing software was intorduced and it took Hank about an hour to figure out how to get around it, which
meant that damn near everybody started trying to get around it. A whole thread was devoted to people ..well..just cussin'! I even
remember Libby using the F word. [GASP!] That was a perfect example of encouraging people to do something, by telling them they
can't. It was hilarious.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 09:14am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#68 of 417)

fauforde: The cussin' thread could be my all-time favorite thread. I can't remember ever laughing so hard.

A close second was the thread: "General Noodlenipper wants you for his all-gay army!" Remember that one?

And of course, the wood chisel threads were classic......

Susan [sjscruby] - 09:28am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#69 of 417)

LOL...I remember that cussin' thread, AND Gen'l Noodlenipper, and the wood chisels. So many memories, so little time....

I really have missed SnowPea, and since I changed computers, I no longer have his email. SnowPea...if you see this, please email me
at sjscruby@yahoo.com

Susan [sjscruby] - 09:32am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#70 of 417)

I think one of my favorite things about these boards/communities is the way people (of ALL stripes, colors, political persuasions)
rally round when someone is in need of support---death, divorce, kids, parents, surgeries, illnesses...whatever. We've been through
a lot together. I realize, as Mel so often reminded us, these are only words on a monitor, but even Mel saw the outpourings of support
when he lost Hart. They may be only words on a monitor, but those words come from individuals who care...

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 09:36am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#71 of 417)

We are a funny little family, aren't we, Susan.

Affecting and infuriating, all at the same time. Who said the online world isn't like Real Life?

Susan [sjscruby] - 09:44am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#72 of 417)

So true, Dave...in many ways it seems to be more real than Real Life. I think many of us share more of ourselves here than we do "out
there." *g*

And I have to agree with others---part of what has kept me coming back is the people who irritate me the most. LOL

[Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 09:48am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#73 of 417)

A few weeks ago when the supposed "boycott" took place & a few of us hung around.

And I did a little experiment on how to post while consuming alcohol (the results were about as one wuld ax-u/me) LOL!

Been fun folks (and just think, a while back Limbaugh said this place was dead! Who'da thunk that he'd be right)

Anton [Anton] - 09:48am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#74 of 417)

Dave Gin:

Do you have anyway of checking board history?

Without getting personal (no names), can you tell us when the board started, including its previous incarnations?

Today is the first day of the rest of my life. [geogent] - 09:50am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#75 of 417)

Ol'Perf, your posts brought back a lot of fond memories. Thanks. After your first list, I was trying to think of the name of the poster
who suffered the divorce thing and you came up with Roger. If I recall, he was living in one of the Scandanavian countries.

Thanks.

Dick H


Susan [sjscruby] - 09:53am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#76 of 417)

I hope he can, Anton. I know I started with TOL on AOL in the spring of 1995, but I also know it had been going on for some time
before that---that is just when I got my first computer, and it was one of the first places I landed.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 09:54am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#77 of 417)

A close second was the thread: "General Noodlenipper wants you for his all-gay army!" Remember that one?

LOL! We had a lot of fun on that thread, GW. That wasn't too long after I joined. As I remember, it was a spoof thread of some anti-gay
"Homosexual Recruitment" thread that everone laughed at. Except JCIL, (or one of his many incarnations) the thread parent.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 09:58am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#78 of 417)

Your memory is good, fauf......

GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 09:59am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#79 of 417)

" Who said the online world isn't like Real Life?"

My wife. She asked if I was going to lose all of my imaginary friends...

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:05am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#80 of 417)

ElPrimo...it IS difficult to explain to those who have never been here. ;)

Herb [knitknee] - 10:06am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#81 of 417)

My earliest memory of posting here is a late-night exchange with Kadien that ended abruptly with a severe tongue-lashing. Kadien
took exception to me starting a post with the words: "Try paying attention ... ."

At the time, this experience brought back (and then replaced) nightmarish memories of my fifth-grade teacher and a very thick
wooden ruler.

LOL!

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 10:10am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#82 of 417)

She asked if I was going to lose all of my imaginary friends...

The BF has no sympathy for me. He doesn't understand...and there's no explaining it to him. "You've never even MET any of them",
was about the last thing he said to me on this subject. I think he's just glad I won't be on the phone lines when he calls.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 10:14am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#83 of 417)

My first encounter with Oregon Jim was back in '95.

He came on like gangbusters and started making fun of ex-President Reagan soiling his undergarments.

We had a few disagreements.........

Then, in '96, Jim announced plans to travel to the GOP convention in San Diego and engage in disruptive activities...........something
about LSD in the water supply and engaging in lewd activities with GOP women.........

I got a little hot under the collar over that.......

During an e-mail exchange in '97 or '98, OJ disclosed some personal background information that made me see him in a whole new
light.

I have found it impossible to get upset with him since then.

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:16am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#84 of 417)

Fauforde...it really is impossible to explain to those who don't know---many of the people here ARE family. *g*

Anton [Anton] - 10:20am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#85 of 417)

I just told my wife at work....

who must now try to figure out how to keep me from chasing her around the house with all this free time!

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 10:22am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#86 of 417)

Fauforde...it really is impossible to explain to those who don't know---many of the people here ARE family.

I know, they really are.

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 10:24am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#87 of 417)

When I told my wife the news last night, she said:

"Oh, geez. From the tone of your voice, I thought it was something really bad."

There's no way to convey the sense of this place to outsiders..........

Herb [knitknee] - 10:25am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#88 of 417)

Dear Mrs. Anton:

Try wearing a George Bush mask.

Regards, Herb

Anton [Anton] - 10:28am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#89 of 417)

Herb:

LMAO!

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 10:36am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#90 of 417)

Jared - Did you post your email address yet? It's not on your profile...

[Jared7] - 10:39am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#91 of 417)

And it ain't ever going to be on my profile either! I do not wish to be spammed by freepers/homophobes if I can avoid it. I'll e-mail
you (because you have more courage!).

Man, I missed all those cool threads y'all mentioned. Skipping months on end I suppose has its consequences.

J

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 10:45am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#92 of 417)

And it ain't ever going to be on my profile either! I do not wish to be spammed by freepers/homophobes if I can avoid it.

I used to worry about that, but my hotmail account has been listed on and off, for a long time and not once was I ever bothered.

But....if you've been hanging in Freeperville...maybe I would keep it secret...

[Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 10:58am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#93 of 417)

I'll miss MANY of the liberals (or those who are to the left of me) that I've had the pleasure of having trite, snippy, and tough
argument with, including Fauforde, Libby, hoeker, TreeTop, Ferret Mike, Sherrie, Geogent, Summer, etc.

I'll think of some more....I'm still recovering from a massive virus & have the intellectual capacity of a Palm Beach voter this
morning, so all I can conjure up are the handles of the assholes, so I'll shut up.

BTW, hope AOL uses the same keen eye for profit when allocating Jesse's salary for his shittily (my own word, hoeker!) rated show.

[Jared7] - 11:17am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#94 of 417)

And how could I forget robny - who really won the Presidency!! And Rocketman!!

I've already mentioned my favorite adversaries - dittophile and bacchus, but there were many others. Anyone remember that guy
from Newfoundland that Thear couldn't stand?? What was his name??

J
The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 11:45am Mar 20, 2001 EST (#95 of 417)

During the 1996 election I was working with a grass-roots political organization involved in housing issues for working poor
families, food distribution to shelters, etc. and one night I was down at the "office" (such as it was) they had an old beater computer
with some early modem so I showed them how to get to this web site - which at the time was owned/operated by CNN and it was called
All Politics.

Anyway several of the folks got interested in this board and how it worked - a place where folks could start a discussion on just about
any topic and get an incredible range of view - from the inane to the pointed/centered and on both sides of the political equation.

But the most fun we had was one Sunday night we had been smoking some really powerful pot and a couple of us had ingested some
"Liberty Blues" and we came up with "Top 10 Signs You Know You've Had Too Much To Drink At The GOP Convention"

We posted it about 3:00 AM Sunday night/Mondaymorning and by noon we had over 200 posts - and the Repuba-Bubbas were livid.

Especially over the one about Reagan giving a speech at Marineland - "Go out and win one more for Flipper"

LMAO

[Cleve] - 12:02pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#96 of 417)

To all Republicans I've run across at TOL, hope to catch you at another site along the way. The sun has risen, with the election of
President Bush and Al going to pasture and the awful Clintons finally out of the White House. We can anticipate that New Yorkers
will see the light and give Hillary the boot next time around.

To the liberals onboard, drop your day job of being dissatisfied with everything. Hope happiness won't be a stranger to ya.

The Greens aka liberals. Your fight for Nader helped defeat Al, for which I thank you. Otherwise...lay off so much wacky backy, get
your heads straight, and get behind your president. :>)

Adios.

I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 12:03pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#97 of 417)

Okay, some of my favorite memories:

Being a GutterGirl and terrorizing Roger Gay. He loved every minute of it.

When Sherrie was prancing around in her diamond bra.

My thread, "Not necessarily Ranting and Raving," over on Society, which many friends from here joined just to talk about things
other than politics. Mostly football, it was a good one.

When everyone would start silly threads, and take turns hijacking them into something ridiculous.

Michael Meulenburg's theory of human adaption to marine life on styrofoam floaties. He was so out there, but of course, being me, I
felt sorry for him, even though he claimed to hate the universe and embraze Nazis.

JCIL - How could I forget the one poster who really got me good? He had a knack for just pissing the liberals off with his ways. Even
though he was run off the boards by a gang of us, he was worth watching in action!

Most of all, I said it before, but I will say it again, the best time I ever had here, was when I needed all of you most: TallTimber, Tony,
Sherrie, GW, so many of you were there when my boy was in the hospital and we didn't know if he would survive. And I would post
updates. That was a lonely, scary time.

Yes, all my imaginary friends are dissappearing!

AOL Sucks.

Well, I see the screwup fairy has visited us again [Dan'l] - 12:15pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#98 of 417)

Libby --"Gosh, I had almost forgotten about Thearacon. He did those marvelous html posts in LIVING color. lol "--

That's who I've been trying to remember all morning. Thearcon! Poor guy lived on Kwajalean or some teeny atoll . . . had nothing
better to do with his time that post magnificent ly colored posts.

[Jared7] - 12:24pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#99 of 417)

Hey Dan'l!! Yeah, Thear was the coolest and I have a crush on him still. Too bad I lost his e-mail address, but if I'm ever on the Kwaj, I
promise to look him up.

Another favorite Republican is glencar, who I liked because he said I was smart once.

J

get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute [RobNY34] -
12:34pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#100 of 417)

you expect me to post something on a thread titled with lyrics from a Babs Streisand song?????? ;)

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 12:36pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#101 of 417)

you expect me to post something on a thread titled with lyrics from a Babs Streisand song?????? ;)

No sh*t!

There's enough "stereotyping" going on around here as it is without that type of re-inforcement, eh?

LMAO

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 12:37pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#102 of 417)

Who can forget the 2000 elections, man that was one wild ride to say the least.

Trying to post here was really hilarious...by the time you wrote something to a thread, 30 more messages were posted...it was
impossible, crazy, annoying and heartbreaking night, plus trying to keep up with all the netwroks and their reporting...and I am so
glad I could spend it here on the Politics board with you people. How can you beat that for a political junkie? I feel lucky to have
witnessed election 2000, and even luckier I had this place during it.

get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute [RobNY34] -
12:37pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#103 of 417)

JCIL - How could I forget the one poster who really got me good? He had a knack for just pissing the liberals off with
his ways. Even though he was run off the boards by a gang of us, he was worth watching in action!

agreed. Of all the boneheaded, flamebaiting conservative jerks to have ever graced these boards, JCIL (and I believe a whole host of
other IDs after he get kicked) was the best at getting us libs up in arms.

Heres to JCIL and babysitting at Harvard.

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:38pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#104 of 417)

It could be worse. Remember "Seasons of the Sun?"

[Jared7] - 12:38pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#105 of 417)

Hey, she didn't write it - she just sang it! Yeah, GW's thread gets the thoughtful, well-expressed memories; I get the crack about
Barbra. Typical, typical...

J

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 12:40pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#106 of 417)

Dave

Don't forget "Honey" by Bobby Goldsboro.

Christ - those were the musical "daze" eh?

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:43pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#107 of 417)

Or "Watching Scotty Grow."

I literally get the up-chucks hearing that one.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 12:44pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#108 of 417)

For the record, I am not, nor ever have been a Babs fan. And I don't like Judy Garland, either.

Nor do I "antique", or support it's use as a verb.

And this is a good thread.

get off this, get on with it. If you want to change the world, shut your mouth and start this minute [RobNY34] -
12:46pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#109 of 417)

funny, one of my best friends back home is a "tiquer" and also loves Babs.

he is straight as an arrow....no, really......I'm serious!! :)

[Philly] - 12:48pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#110 of 417)

#96 - CLEVE, know where you and Par5 labor...smart guys!...have enjoyed making your acquaintance and reading & responding to
your posts...many others as well.

Laughter is good medicine and I must say at times I've laughed until my sides ached. HOEKER occasionally very funny. His Feel the
Glee stuff.

A witty place to be...also a learning opportunity.

Goodbye all.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 12:51pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#111 of 417)

he is straight as an arrow....no, really......I'm serious!! :)

Why, yes. And so am I.

Well, I see the screwup fairy has visited us again [Dan'l] - 12:55pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#112 of 417)

Hiya, JaredBoy! I was also trying to think of Isaiah's name. I think my favorite time was on Rhiannon's 'Atheist Agenda' thread, with
Isaiah and Bill Munz. Even when they weren't posting, we had some great discussions twixt us.

Actually, I give Babs some credit. I remember the very first time she responded to me on a thread I was frequenting. Her post was so
inane, so sophomoric and so lacking in understanding of the topic that I assumed she was some mental dificient who had accidently
wondered in. I simply responded "nice post" and let her go.

She has since become considerably adept at researching her stuff, has always remained perfectly civil and taken our best shots with
grace.

I always regretted that she got the boot -- everyone needs a foil.

[Jared7] - 01:00pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#113 of 417)

Yeah, I was way too much of a latecomer to get in on that thread; although I was a lurker when it hit its "highs".

Y'all are wrong - there is a God and she's pissed!!

I also liked Babs a lot.

J

[Jared7] - 01:44pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#114 of 417)

If dittophile was really Rush Limbaugh, well, then, that has to be a favorite memory!!

J

Susan [sjscruby] - 01:57pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#115 of 417)

Jared...I changed computers and lost your email. If you would, please email me at sjscruby@yahoo.com so I can add it to my address
book. ;)

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 01:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#116 of 417)

If dittophile was really Rush Limbaugh, well, then, that has to be a favorite memory!!

He might have fancied himself as Rush, but face it, Rush isn't smart enough to get on the web, much less post to a Bulletin Board.

Susan [sjscruby] - 02:02pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#117 of 417)

LOLOL, Fauforde.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 02:07pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#118 of 417)

Ok... I have wondered about this for a while... *S* About 2 years ago another poster and I were flirting... just playing you
understand...*wg* and there seemed to be no one else on when all of a sudden some one else commented and then a bunch of guys
jumped on him for stopping us...

I was fairly new and didn't *know* the folks... when I came on the next day there were like 30 or 40 posts gone...

(ok we were kinda bad...)

So... If you were one of the guys reading ... tell me?

[Jared7] - 02:08pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#119 of 417)

Hi susan - I think you do have it via Perf (I've read your latest two!) I get it - you and fauforde are ganging up and forcing me to list
my e-mail because you're really bikerthug and Mel.

I don't know fau - I'm listening today and Rush said he knows this site "very well" and there are certain similarities (which I have
been discussing on another thread). It's fun to speculate, and if it is true, then my notorious battles with ditto take on a new meaning
for me.

Who can ever forget when he launched that AIDS thread the very day after the new stats, which totally contradicted him, were
released?? Ditto was flabbergasted that he was so wrong and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle just to retain
consistency. And who can ever forget his attempted rants about the numerous religious organizations changing their tune on gay
pastors and he was left with the Mormons only (and then some LDSer totally contradicted him)??

It'd be too funny if they were one and the same!!

J

[Jared7] - 02:10pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#120 of 417)

Not me surferchicklet - I would have remembered that for sure! Perhaps you could reprise a few examples???

I would bet that Bear was probably one of them - and probably Cooter!

J

Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 02:14pm Mar 20, 2001 EST
(#121 of 417)

And speaking of the gay threads, there was nobody like Hambone:-)!!!!!

Hambone now hangs out on the gay message boards on Yahoo. He's as dull and simpleminded as ever, and he's still talking about sex
with goats.

I will miss all of you, really!!! [BrujaVerde] - 02:23pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#122 of 417)

ROFL, Nigel, How could I forget Hambone, that poor, tortured soul!!!

LOLOLOL

GW........... [Mr. Buckeye] - 02:52pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#123 of 417)

surferchick: I didn't witness your little.....ah....indiscretion....

However, it seems that every election night I get a load on and start hitting on one of the female posters.

In '98, it was Duh.

In 2000, it was lara croft.

I don't remember who I hit on in '96.

It's probably just as well........

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 02:58pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#124 of 417)

I don't remember who I hit on in '96.

Me. Boy, were you drunk.

But you never come by, you never call. Don't you care anymore?

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 02:58pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#125 of 417)

LOL.. Actually it was Bear.....

Cooter might have been there...

It was funny... we were bad on a couple threads... then someone said something about a bear in heat in the woods... and a bunch of
guys were telling him to shut up... *G*

I won't repeat what we were saying, it'd just get pulled..*G*

Snow [Snow Pea] - 02:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#126 of 417)

I dunno, Jared. As I recall, I DID win the election predictions. ;-)

Geez, I've been away for awhile, but my favorite memory will always be the "Road Show."

To meet Surferchicklet, Guy, Johnnyba, SmartAlix and Streamline in person and post on-line from a smoky hotel room was cool
beyond words.

Hey Chicklet . . . XOXOXOXOX!!!!!!

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:01pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#127 of 417)

Hey Dave... do you remember the flirt wars?

Those were fun...

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:02pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#128 of 417)

Snow Pea!! Long time, no see. Glad you made it back in time for the Going-Away party.

Er...you guys are throwing me a going a way party, right? I already got my gift from Limbaugh.

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:03pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#129 of 417)

Remember. Hell, I'm still blushing.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:03pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#130 of 417)

SnowPea!!!!!!!

Darlin'... what's your e-mail??

I would post my phone number, but well.. Uh..LOL

I gave it to Guy to give you, he might still have it...

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 03:04pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#131 of 417)

Who can ever forget when he launched that AIDS thread the very day after the new stats, which totally contradicted him, were
released?? Ditto was flabbergasted that he was so wrong and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle just to retain
consistency. And who can ever forget his attempted rants about the numerous religious organizations changing their tune on gay
pastors and he was left with the Mormons only (and then some LDSer totally contradicted him)??

That WAS hilarious! LOL!

It'd be too funny if they were one and the same!!

I admit, that WOULD have been great if they were. Funny thing is, if he ever allowed dissenting opinions on his show, we'd
proabably see more of that.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:05pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#132 of 417)

LOL... Ya know... If me and Duhoney go to Las Vegas I looked... it's a ( relativly relatively speaking) short hop down to El Paso...

Snow... Chicklita says to say "Hey!" and she wants to see The Boy...

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:09pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#133 of 417)

XOXOXOXOXOXO

The Shrub, from CO2, to see you later [Ferret Mike] - 03:10pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#134 of 417)

Snow Pea! Good to see you. You must have read my mind as I just asked about you on another thread.

Good to see you Snow, we missed you.

[Jared7] - 03:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#135 of 417)

Chicklet - I just *knew* it had to be Bear and Cooter, who seem to be about the strongest heteros on the board.

Snow Pea, You DID NOT WIN!! I was completely and totally accurate and jollyollie was so mad at me about Bosnia that he just ruled me
out of order for nothing!

Fau, my/our battles with the dittoster were classics. Of course, Dave didn't save them (and like I could figure out how to do that). Man,
it would go on for month after month after month and he would just lay into me like nobody's business and never yield an inch. I
hope he stops by and insults me yet again before this all ends and I take another 6-month vacation from the net!!

That thread where he attempted to prove that the Jewish religion condemns gays and lesbians (and then linguist, like, totally
contradicted him was my all time fave in this format). Monsignor Blue Lime's thread on Religion and Gay/Lesbian Rights was my
all-time fave in the Wabbit format!

J

Snow [Snow Pea] - 03:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#136 of 417)

Chicklet, I'll get my e-mail to you. Say hey to Chicklita and tell her Boy is fine -- all grown up but still acting like a kitten.

Dave, the funniest thing about Limbaugh is the fact that these boards must have bugged the hell out of him. Why else would he make
any mention of them?

Snow [Snow Pea] - 03:16pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#137 of 417)

In any case, Jared, I got the plaque hangin' over my mantle and you don't! Nyah, nyah, nyah nyah nyah . . . ;-)

[Jared7] - 03:22pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#138 of 417)

Snow Pea, yeah, it's kinda like Bush and Gore. I *really* won, but you get all the glory and get to be President while I have no life
and jollyollie continues to hate the very idea of my existence.

J
Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:26pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#139 of 417)

My thoughts exactly, Snow. Why the hell would Rushette care about TOL. TOL didn't think much about him.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:28pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#140 of 417)

Not Bear and Cooter, Jared... Just Bear...

Maybe Cooter was one of the lurkers tho...

Good deal, Snow... We haven't been up that way yet... I had pneumonia at the holidays...

Chicklita's got a new bird the Boy would like to meet I'm sure... We will be coming back up by June I think...

Living well really is the best revenge. [Birdz] - 03:28pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#141 of 417)

Hey, Snow Pea! Nice to see you!

"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 03:29pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#142 of 417)

Dave,

Why the hell would Rushette care about TOL. TOL didn't think much about him.

Speak for yourself.

Some do like him.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:29pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#143 of 417)

I don't mean to be picky or anything, but wasn't it "Like the corners of my mind?"

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 03:30pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#144 of 417)

Dave can speak for me...

What he says makes more sense...

[Jared7] - 03:37pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#145 of 417)

Picky, picky!! So I composed an original work of authorship fixed in a tangible means of expression only slightly different than the
actual famous song. I was figuring linguist would be the first to notice, but no, HE'S BOYCOTTING MY THREAD like a total dufus! And I
have said countless times that BLUE LIME RULES, but does he show up?? Typical Tennessean who thinks Sam Houston and Davey
Crockett are more famous as Tennesseans than Texans!! How arrogant of him!! And like Locutuss is going to show his Borg-implant
dominated face!!

J

"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 03:38pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#146 of 417)

surferchicklet,

It's the broad, general, and sweeping comment of Dave's that I objected to.

Of course most of the Lefties don't care for Rush. But unless Dave is also saying that only what the Lefties believe matter, then his
comment is way off mark.

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:46pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#147 of 417)

Is this where I get to snarl and shout obscenities at you, Shroom?

I choose not to. Of course it was a broad, sweeping comment. It was intended as such. I believe you have passing experience with
such things.

Truth is, with the exception of episodic events, Limbaugh and his show was not that much of a presence here.

I was simply agreeing with Snow Pea that Rush's singling out TOL suggests it bugged Rush a hell of a lot more than Rush bothered
TOL.

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 03:47pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#148 of 417)

For example...I doubt either TOL or I will be featured anytime soon in a column by William Buckley, who is likely unaware we existed,
much less are retiring.

Snow [Snow Pea] - 03:48pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#149 of 417)

Seems to me, Shroom, that Dave IS speaking in general terms. There's little question that the majority of people who post here --
conservative and liberal alike -- don't think Rush is anything more than a lousy, self-serving entertainer. Care to take a poll?

And you can be sure that Rush checked in here every once in a while to have his delicate sensibilities offended. We all know Rush
can dish it but can't take it.

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 03:50pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#150 of 417)

[Jared7] - 12:24pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#99 of 146)

Hey Dan'l!! Yeah, Thear was the coolest and I have a crush on him still. Too bad I lost his e-mail address, but if
I'm ever on the Kwaj, I promise to look him up.

Another favorite Republican is glencar, who I liked because he said I was smart once.

J

Well, Jared, you really know how to bring people onto your threads. Now, if only you'd done this with your "Banking Law" thread...

I have many memories of TOL. Some aren't very fond but as the dump closes down. let's accentuate the positive. I enjoyed the Book
threads, the race threads, the Lara & Sherrie threads. I think my favorite night was when the Kathleen Willey story first opened. It
was while Miss Monica was servicing Bubba but before we actually got the rest of you to see how sleazy he was. Lotsa fun there with
Lara, RC, Mel, Rhi, Libby & others. I'm going to miss you people...

"The Truth is the Highest thing a Man can Keep" [Shroom] - 03:50pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#151 of 417)

I believe you have passing experience with such things.

The only experience I have with this is what has been posted by the lefties on here.... I am, by nature, a quite specific individual.

Nary a general or broad and sweeping comment did I post. :)

[Jared7] - 03:58pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#152 of 417)

Thanks glen! How's the tennis?? Yeah, well, I have to admit that I've been baiting quite a few people to come and say good-bye.

My favorite thread with you was the Mt. Rushmore thread (the one where you said I was smart). Didn't you, like, really get into it
with Liz once (or more than once)?? And someone questioned your sexuality and I defended you??

And gee thanks for broadcasting my crush on Thear in bold letters yet again!

J

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 04:04pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#153 of 417)

Tennis is great, J! I've been winning lately...

I had a great skiing season this year. As for Liz, the less said the better. She has a load of problems & I'd rather let bygones be
bygones...

It's funny but I had decided recently to post less here. I've gotten busier with other things in life & politics sin't what it used to be. So
many threads lately have been rather insubstantial. Still, it's weird to see the end in sight.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 04:05pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#154 of 417)

And like Locutuss is going to show his Borg-implant dominated face!!

I haven't seen Locutuss forever...I used to have his email addy but, no more. I lost it somehow.

Linguist rarely posts here anymore, and we are the poorer for it.

Limey is out there somewhere.

[Jared7] - 04:13pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#155 of 417)

Glen, I just got back from Taos!! Best snow in 15 years!! Had a blast!! Caught some air!! Kept my speed!! Stayed high!! Carved those
slopes!! (Uh, I also hurt my knee badly). Yeah, I too have taken a Loong break for a wide variety of reasons (mainly because Blue
Lime is so arrogant!)

Man, I lost Locutuss' e-mail too! And Thear's (but perhaps I'm hitting that point a little too hard). Linguist was here last night!

I'm considering actually posting my e-mail but I'm still way too chicken.

J

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 04:19pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#156 of 417)

I posted with Blue Lime a few weeks ago. He's very funny!

I love Taos although I was there in 1995 before ski season. So many places to see...

Another fine memory is when I was getting a new car. Lotsa of good advice. I think I'll miss the place more than I ever imagined.

Susan [sjscruby] - 05:34pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#157 of 417)

SNOWPEA!!!! Great to see you. I have a different computer, so don't have your email. Please email me, if you see this, at
sjscruby@duhspot.com

I was posting my yahoo address, but I don't seem to be getting the email from there. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

(Jared...you COULD get a hotmail address to list here *g*)

[_Liz__] - 06:14pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#158 of 417)

Being a GutterGirl and terrorizing Roger Gay

Oh my god....my very favorite misogynistic toy. I wonder if Libby remembers some of the 'discussions' with him...

As for AOL/Time, I just got an AOL cd with my latest issue of Time magazine.

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 06:16pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#159 of 417)

Liz I hope you find peace somewhere out there. You were my first experience on line. What a long strange trip it became...

Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 06:18pm Mar 20, 2001 EST
(#160 of 417)

As for AOL/Time, I just got an AOL cd with my latest issue of Time magazine.

Supposedly CD's put on quite an entertaining display when put into a microwave oven.

[_Liz__] - 06:23pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#161 of 417)

Didn't you, like, really get into it with Liz once (or more than once)?? And someone questioned your sexuality and I
defended you??

Hm. The less said about my relationship with Glen the better, but I *have to say this much:

In roughly 98, someone else suggested to me it would be hilarious to say Glen was really a woman. It doesn't matter who, because I
*chose to run it. I said to everyone that Glen had told me he was a woman. It was me who started the rumor and I apologize for it now.
It was juvenile and puerile and I'm kind of embarassed by it.

[_Liz__] - 06:26pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#162 of 417)

Liz I hope you find peace somewhere out there. You were my first experience on line. What a long strange trip it
became...

Gee...your first, huh? I'm flattered. Yes. It has been a long, strange trip. I've found some peace, Glen and I hope you are well, I really
do.

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 06:26pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#163 of 417)

Lord, Liz, I thought it was stupid at the time & I think I got a little hot under the collar about it (LOL) but it's water long under the
bridge. It's funny how petty so much stuff seems years later. It was 4 years ago this week that I bought this pc & logged onto
AllPolitics & this site. Ironically, I'm dumping this pc just as AOL is dumping this joint!

[_Liz__] - 06:27pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#164 of 417)

I'll have to try that, Nigel. When the kids are in bed.

[_Liz__] - 06:31pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#165 of 417)

Alot of stuff I used to think was life and death when we were right in the middle of it seems petty now, Glen. But not so petty that I
don't know I owe apologies to anyone I ever put through the proverbial ringer.

I just got a brand new computer, and a brand ner car.

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 06:35pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#166 of 417)

Glen

It was while Miss Monica was servicing Bubba but before we actually got the rest of you to see how sleazy he was.

What's sleazy about getting a blow job in the oval office while talking on the phone to a member of the congress???

The man's a legend…

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 06:35pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#167 of 417)

Well, at least you used to do some good threads. The one about strippers hurting the women's movement was a classic!

I Tell You the Sweet Things In Life [ex-glencarr] - 06:36pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#168 of 417)

Ah, bart, I see my work is STILL incomplete! Then again, maybe it's for the best...

[_Liz__] - 06:37pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#169 of 417)

The one about strippers hurting the women's movement was a classic!

smiling....I have that one archived. That pissed off a lot of people. Was that the one where Noel and I got into it because he said he
would let his kids watch porn?

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 06:40pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#170 of 417)

Dave

Remember the time Marcus pissed me off and I wrote him a nasty e-mail complaining about how he treated us and faxed a copy to the
CEO's of Time Inc. and Time Warner???

Man, did I get his attention or what??? He sent me five e-mails in one day…

[_Liz__] - 06:44pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#171 of 417)

Sorry, I think it's ironic that you got Marcus' attention by sending him an e mail and cc'ing it to corporate. Did corporate care back
then?

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 06:56pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#172 of 417)

Liz

Sorry, I think it's ironic that you got Marcus' attention by sending him an e mail and cc'ing it to corporate. Did corporate care back
then?

I wrote Marcus three e-mails and he ignored me until I cc'ed them to the CEO's of Both Time and Time Warner… I sure got his
attention then…

It's not nice to ignore b-bart…

Is Our Children Posting? [N. Tufnel] - 06:56pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#173 of 417)

I'm trying to imagine how this board will be on the last day. I'm picturing a mad-house. The server may bog down.

This is really depressing.

[The Horseman] - 06:58pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#174 of 417)

"I remember the Dinner Party from All History, with Sundance as the quintessential mime."

Don’t forget, Perf, Kadian had me dancing in the Mime Pride parade in a tie-died tutu, while I whispered sweet nothings to her in
Scottish Gaelic ;-)

How ya doing, Perf?!

[Duffy] - 07:06pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#175 of 417)

Hi! I'm glad you made it. It's actually fun here since yesterday. Like a high school graduation or something. :-)

[_Liz__] - 07:14pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#176 of 417)

I wrote Marcus three e-mails and he ignored me until I cc'ed them to the CEO's of Both Time and Time Warner… I sure
got his attention then…

But did *corporate give a damn?

Marcus made me nuts when he was the moderator, but anyone who wouldn't let me get away with my crap would have. Looking back,
I appreciate much more what a terrific moderator he was. He is the only truly unbiased moderator I ever knew, and it can't be easy. I
don't think anyone gave him enough credit, me included.

Hiya Duff : )

[Duffy] - 07:20pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#177 of 417)

Hi Liz! :-)

[The Horseman] - 07:26pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#178 of 417)

Liz, I’m on borrowed time. Dave hates me and will probably ban me from this board once he finds out I’m Sundance. Yeah,
everybody gave Marcus a hard time, but he really was a great moderator, wasn’t he? Marcus Bales was Time Inc.’s best board
moderator of all time. I really liked him.

[The Horseman] - 07:28pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#179 of 417)

"Hi! I'm glad you made it. It's actually fun here since yesterday. Like a high school graduation or something. :-)"

Thanks for inviting me to the party, doll.

Trevor The Biker Dude @ theopinionsite.com [b-bart] - 07:44pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#180 of 417)

Don't misunderstand me, I liked Marcus but he got a little tyrannical at times and he did very little explaining as to why he did what
he did…

He just needed to be a tad more accountable to the people that used the boards…

I think Dave has been very responsive to most of the people here and taking this bunch to task would be like herding Ants… LOL

primal screamer [primal screamer] - 08:43pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#181 of 417)

Horseman, how could Dave hate a liberal? Somebody tell me who Rebel, RW and Reese are?????

[_Liz__] - 09:07pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#182 of 417)

Hi Sundance... : )

I don't think you'll be kicked. He's letting me stay, which means it must be pretty frosty in hell right now ; ) Maybe now that the
board is closing, petty crap stopped meaning so much.

Feel free to e mail me white_noise@bigfoot.com

[Duffy] - 09:42pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#183 of 417)

Thanks for inviting me to the party, doll

Well what's a party without Sundance?

[Duffy] - 09:43pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#184 of 417)

What's a party without Liz?

[Duffy] - 09:43pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#185 of 417)

What's a party without Libby?

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 09:54pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#186 of 417)



Jared7 reminisced:

Or Dittophile - man, that one should be worth a few posts

ROFL.

Jared, are you the same person who used to post under JaredBoy?

[Jared7] - 10:09pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#187 of 417)

Of course! Hey Ditto, nice to see you again! We really had some tussles back in the good old days! I don't know what happened to my
old name - after one of my many 6 month absences, I couldn't get on with JBoy, so I had to switch.

Without a doubt, you (and bacchus) are my very favorite adversaries! C'mon, can't you just lay into me one more time for old times
sakes?? And please feel free to reminesce about anything and everything on this thread!

JBoy

J

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 10:22pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#188 of 417)

Sundance... I doubt Dave feels that strongly about you...

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 10:28pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#189 of 417)



FAUFORDE - 01:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#116 of 192)

He might have fancied himself as Rush, but face it, Rush isn't smart enough to get on the web, much less post to a
Bulletin Board.

Oh, contraire, mon ami.


Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 10:32pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#190 of 417)



Jared it was a challenge to debate with you -- you were so slippery and evasive. I enjoyed beating you, seeing you flee from the
threads. I do, however, think your memories of those ol' debates need to be refreshed -- you seem to have romanticized memories of
them:

[Jared7] - 02:08pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#119 of 190)

And who can ever forget his attempted rants about the numerous religious organizations changing their tune on gay
pastors and he was left with the Mormons only (and then some LDSer totally contradicted him)??

Hmmmm. Going back into the Ditto archives....This is the last post I gave on the topic addressed to you on15 Dec 1997:

Ah, JaredBoy. One point at a time as they become applicable.

I see that you're still dodging that old question on Mormon doctrine that haunts you to this day. Why don't you ask a
Mormon if Mormons believe, as you claimed:

The ... LDS... do not regard homosexuality as immoral.

... then after my challenge to the above claim, you provided this followup message where you signifiantly moderated
your claim (actually, you turned it almost 180 degrees -- I'd estimte at least 160):

The LDS reference was to my two earlier references to Representative Jim Kolbe's moving story about
being welcomed home with alacrity and tears by his particular community as well as the numerous
Mormon posters on the Religion thread - which you should also go back and read. These actually
happened, whther you wish to believe it or not. The central authorities, as you suggest, have not
followed the Protestant and Catholic leads as yet, but this is being discussed currently. We'll see.

Now, even after all this time, we haven't gotten past this simple, easily verifiable point. Your first statement is clearly
in direct opposition to your second, so there is little need for you to admit that you vastly overstated your case -- an
embarrassing admission you continue to evade. Now, we obviously have a real live Mormon in our midsts. Let's ask
him.... nathankk, is Jaredboy correct? Woops, looks like he already answered:

Let me state that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clearly condemns the act of
homosexuality while encouraging the participants to seek spiritual guidance through fasting and
prayer, endurance and repentance in an effort to thwart the practice as would be expected of anyone
wanting to consider themselves in full fellowship with God.

And you never addresed whether or not in your past post you were comparing yourself with Christ and me with the
Pharisees

You never answered. You disappeared from the boards -- like usual when you got cornered. Care to do it before the boards close? :) I
cornered you, you fled and now you remember it in all of the painful detail!

Without a doubt, you (and bacchus) are my very favorite adversaries! C'mon, can't you just lay into me one more time
for old times sakes?? And please feel free to reminesce about anything and everything on this thread!

Was that good enough? ROFL

It was always a fun challenge to debate you, my slippery friend.

All the best to you,



Dittophile
More Evil Than Satan Herself





[Duffy] - 10:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#191 of 417)

Ok sing along with me Sundance, Liz, Rhi, Libby etc.

<Cheers tune>
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to be where you can see,
Our troubles are all the same;
You want to be where everybody knows your name
</Cheers tune>

LOL, You have it in your head now? :-)

I've been having way too much fun LOL

[Jared7] - 10:49pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#192 of 417)

Great one Ditto - much appreciated! Of course, you refused ever to address the Presbyterians, who, even as we speak, are failing to
ratify the proposal to ban the sanctioning of same sex unions. And, of course, you failed ever to address the Reformed Jews and the
Unitarians or the Chicago Methodists or the Buddhists or the Hindus or the Sunni Moslems or any of the other many, many other
religions which don't even come close to what you were saying. And, of course, you never addressed Kolbe and the Methodists either.
And, of course, you never addressed the central issue of the thread either. As I said earlier on the thread, it was you who was backed
into a corner and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle and hang your hat only on the Mormons. And you also seem to
forget the LDS'ers who contradicted you and nathankk flatly after you left (for family reasons as I recall) never to return to the
thread. Granted, you probably left because OJ and Sherrie were burying you with totally irrelevant inanities, so I understand, but
you left never to return nontheless. And, of course, the debate continued long after 12/15/97 (without you), but why bother
pointing that out to you. And why bother pointing out all of the things you never addressed to you now (because you're sure to
never address them in any manner whatsoever).

Anyway, it was a lot of fun sparring with you!! And I can most earnestly believe that you saved all of those great debates too!

C'mon - have at me (but be sure to address those Presbys!)

J

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 12:14am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#193 of 417)



ROFL. Still practicin' that ol' shotgun-o-confusion approach, eh, JaredBoy?

Ah, it brings back such fond memories.

Simple counter-tactics thwart such evasive tactics....

it was you who was backed into a corner and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle and hang your hat
only on the Mormons

Step-by-step, my friend. Line upon line -- the best counter-tactic to the shotgun-o-fortune.

I clearly demonstrated that you failed with the Mormon argument, but you STILL -- almost 4 years later -- won't admit it.
There's therefore no reason to address your other misrepresentations... you'd just deny the obvious again. I control the debate
(stoptime always hated that!!!)

And you also seem to forget the LDS'ers who contradicted....

Sorry. You can't fool me. Now that the boards are dead, I can tell you more about myself -- now that it can't get us off on a
meaningless tangent-rant, interfering with the substance of the real debate. I'm Mormon. I know Mormon doctrine. Your original
claims of Mormon doctrine were false.

ROFL.Bzzzzzt. You lose -- just in time for the boards to close. Good timing.

Now, how about addressing the fallacy that "Because Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, he MUST have condoned it"? You know,
the crux of your argument. Don't forget to include a detailed examination of the interpretation of the OT prohibition of
homosexuality with respect to the two greatest commandments "upon which the Law and Prophets hang" -- which Christ
specifically condoned. Christ specifically stated that the OT laws were based upon the exact same NT "gospel of love" you claimed
changed everything. How could Christ have construed the NT "love your neighbor" doctrine to actually support the OT prohibition of
homosexual acts? Christ said it. Your statements seem to be at odds with Christ's.

Ah, it brings back such fond memories. :)



Anyway, it's been fun debating with you. I don't like to debate religion, or bring it into political debates. It's not something we
should argue about. And I don't bash homosexuals -- even though I believe that it's dysfnctional behavior. That's just not my style.
That's not "Christian". That "hate the sin, love the sinner" thingy -- something we seem to forget sometimes. One of my favorite
relatives is homosexual.

The only objection I have to your argument is not about religion at all, but about a logicical and fair interpretation of the scriptures
you've chosen to back your argument. I'd never have brought the Bible into the discussion.

I believe you're forcing a politically self-interested interpretation of the scriptures, and that's wrong. Although you may fool some,
you won't convince anyone who knows the scriptures well. And you don't need to try. Misrepresenting the scriptires is dishonest --
and if they really do reflect the thinking of God, you do so at your own risk. And you don't need to use the scriptures for your debate.

There are other more effective arguments at your disposal. Just don't advance such silly arguments. Wasting time on such nonsense
only prevents us from finding an acceptable understanding. Did you ever notice that we never really discussed homosexuality
during that debate? My only effort was an analysis of the factuality your wild claims.

[Jared7] - 12:33am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#194 of 417)

No mention of the Presbys at all, ditto. How typical!! You were directly challenged to address the Presbyterians and you were slippery
and evasive as usual. Why do you not repond to a simple direct challenge?? I am Presbyterian - I know Presbyterian doctrine. Your
abject failure ever to address Presbyterians shows that you lose, as usual.

No mention of the Disciples of Christ, the Methodists, the Unitarians, the Reformed Jews, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Sunni
Moslems or anything else which you have always (and apparently will always) avoid. Why do you consistently and constantly avoid
direct challenges?? Are you just afraid to discuss anything that anyone brings up??

And as usual, you have nothing whatsoever from Jesus that at all backs up any of your claims. Is it your claim that because Jesus
never mentioned homosexuality (other than the raca reference in Matthew) that he must have condemned it?? Please provide some
sort of proof as that kind of argument remains nonsensical as you well know. Your claims, as you also well know, have nothing to do
with what Christ actually said. He said "love thy neighbor" which doesn't sound to me like "homosexuality is bad; rather, the opoosite.
You can't deal with "love thy neighbor" and so you don't even try. How typical!! It is obvious that you do not wish to discuss the Bible
as you seem to be woefully deficient in discussing the philosophy of love enbodied therein. Too bad! I, on the other hand, am quite
willing to discuss any and all aspects of the Bible (as you aren't) because Christians will understand that we are to love one another
(by the way, I love you man!) and not judge and forgive constantly. Your failure even to attempt to discuss Biblical passages speaks
volumes!

Yes, I noticed that you don't bash gays - which kept the discussion clean and friendly. I certainly appreciate that and have
complimented both you and Rush on it (on other threads) many times. And, I also noted that you have many more effective
arguments at your disposal, but somehow do not use them (and I ain't gonna tell!).

The fact is that the Presbyterians, even as we bloviate at one another, are failing to ratify the ban of which I spoke. The fact is that
the Discliples of Christ are ordaining openly gay and lesbian pastors (with partners) and they weren't just three short years ago.
Progress is being made and I suspect, despite how much you argue, that you are also pleased with this (or at least not too bothered by
it).

Yes, it is loads of fun to talk to you - to see you backpeddle to the Mormons and the Mormons alone with nary a mention of any other
religion or denomination because you know you are on a slippery slope. The whole Mormon issue was brought up in connection
with Congressman Kolbe and you have never even typed his name. And, yes, the discussion did continue after you left (on that and
other threads) but I actually fully understand why you felt frsutrated with the tactics of others who wished to silence you with
ridiculous inanities.

A Salute to my old friend Dittophile! To discuss such contentious issues in a non ad hom way can be very enlightening to all who
read! I will miss you (and I hope you feel the same).

I'm really a lot closer to your positions on many issues than you may realize, but that's another story indeed!

J

[Bostick] - 12:42am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#195 of 417)

Short timer. Was entertaining to read the Clinton apologists - the Oregonians, high on everything but maybe life, haha - and good
company with fellow Republicans.

Adieu TOL

[Jared7] - 12:54am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#196 of 417)

Thanks for the post Bostick! To all those who might be put off by dittophile's and my little tete-a-tete, we were just reminescing by
actually re-invigorating a long-ago discussion. To those who never saw us go at each others' throats (figuratively), this was but a
brief yet juicy example!

Please feel free to ignore us and continue to post favorite and not-so-favorite memories!

J

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:02am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#197 of 417)



Hmmmmmm.... Jared sez:

I, on the other hand, am quite willing to discuss any and all aspects of the Bible

ROFL. OK. Then do it. Your original thesis was that because Christ's theology is based upon love he couldn't possibly have condemned
homosexual behavior is wrong:

can you imagine that there are actually some who think that Christ ever or would ever judge/condemn gays and
lesbians? Such a condemnation thesis is at breathtaking variance from the love-centered message of Jesus.

Matt 22:34-41 sez:

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Saducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him
with the question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' [Deut 6:5]
This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' [Lev 19:18] All
the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Christ obviously based his "new" theology upon this "old" theology, employing these two commandments as the cornerstones (but
that means that the "new" is not very different from the "old")

As Christ explained, "All the Law and the Prophets" are derived from these two commandments: commandments based upon the pure
love of God and love of your fellow man. Obviously, as Christ clearly stated, every commandment in "Law and the Prophets" is based
upon love of God and mankind: from the prohibitions against murder to those prohibiting eating and touching "unclean" foods.

What did the pure-love based "Law and the Prophets" say about homosexual behavior? The answer is obvious: it condemned it as an
abomination worthy of death -- a penalty reserved only for the most serious sins like murder, adultery, fornication, bestiality...
and... homosexuality. Clearly, the "Law and the Prophets" taught that you can not fully "Love the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your mind" and/or "Love your neighbor as yourself" while at the same time engaging in
homosexual behavior.



Don't worry, I didn't take much time writing the above tonight... The above is actually a cut-n-paste of a question I posed to you so
long ago (Aug 98)-- to which you never responded. Are you really "quite willing to discuss any and all aspects of the Bible"????





As to the other religions, there are liberal, moderate and conservative branches of all religions -- all mirror liberal, moderate and
conservative political thinking. Imagine that.



A Salute to my old friend Dittophile! To discuss such contentious issues in a non ad hom way can be very enlightening
to all who read! I will miss you (and I hope you feel the same).

Among all the posters here, there are a few with whom I've really enjoyed debating. You are certainly one of the elite. I always like
a good challenge with a good thinker -- eventhough you use those slippery lawerly skills of yours too much. :) But, never fear, Ditto
can thwart it! I also enjoied my discussions with Fiat Lux for the same reasons (and, Crimson -- who refuses to talk to me anymore
-- and, of course, the ever lovable, Libby) ... only to name a limited few.

And, yes, I will miss you, my friend. I wish you well in life. Perhaps we will meet again either on-line of in, gasp, reallife!

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:06am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#198 of 417)

Nite-all. I'll lurk, but probably not post (yeah, right!)

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:08am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#199 of 417)

Man, the power in my facility just snapped off. Then, I went to take a leak & the urinal went nuts! Strange night...

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:09am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#200 of 417)

Oh the question for post # 197 should be:

How could Christ have construed the NT "love your neighbor" doctrine to actually support the OT prohibition of homosexual acts?
Christ said it. Your statements seem to be at odds with Christ's.

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:10am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#201 of 417)

Glencarr, LOL

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:11am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#202 of 417)

Probably had something to do with the brownouts caused by the energy required to post Jared and Ditto's War and Peace posts, there
glen...

And no Jared... we aren't *put off* we'll just scroll your stuff like always... *sigh*... wait... ok, there's something I might not miss...

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:11am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#203 of 417)

You have no idea what's it like Ditto to go running from a urinal as it sprays water! BTW I used to enjoy your posts way back when.
Hope to see you elsewhere.

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 01:11am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#204 of 417)

Nite-all. I'll lurk, but probably not post

Meaning we'll be spared your infantile attempts at HTML.

Version 3.2?

LMAO

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:12am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#205 of 417)

LOL Sc. I think it might ahve actually been more serious than that though. There was the smell of fire in the air. As for long posts, I
almost always scroll by at this point.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:13am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#206 of 417)

Euuw glen... urinal water... ?

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:13am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#207 of 417)

Thank you ex-glenncarr. I enjoyed reading yours too. Seems like a long time ago.

Watch out for thise urinals! Do you live in CA? What a pain. Glad I moved from the San Fernando Valley to Tucson, AZ -- kind of.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:14am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#208 of 417)

Uhh... Glen... If there's like a fire, maybe you should go... oh.. outside maybe?

Good luck....

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:14am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#209 of 417)

Hey, OJ. I hope life treats you well.

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:16am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#210 of 417)

I'm on Long Island, ditto

SC: It's one of those urinals with the automatic cleaners in it. It probably went haywire after the electrical short-out. I knew I should
have held it in!

[Miss M] - 01:16am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#211 of 417)

Tissues anyone?

Really there's life after TOL Political BB. Look - you'll find. :)

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:16am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#212 of 417)

Hey OJ... I got the new addy off the other thread... your email changes way too often... you have mine tho right?

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:21am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#213 of 417)

LOLOL... Hey glen... at least you didn't have an *electric fence* effect... A guy I know did that... thought an electric fence was off... He
got mad cause I was cracking up while he was telling me about whipping it out one minute and laying on his back with it in his
hand gasping for air the next...

His friends were all in a circle crying they were laughing so hard... poor thing almost had tears in his eyes telling me about it...
mean mean Gina.... But, I mean he obviously survived, he was telling me about it...

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 01:21am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#214 of 417)

Surfer

The "other" one you have works also - I just use the "Radio Free Montana" one for 'public' posting is all.

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:21am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#215 of 417)

Miss M: Sure there's life outside this dump. But many of us have come to like the others posting here. I've been here 4 years now &
it's shocking to realize that it's no longer going to be here. It's like when they took Room 222 off the air.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:22am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#216 of 417)

G'night folks... have a good one..

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:23am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#217 of 417)

I'm just glad that the building's not burning down. And my shoes didn't get any piss on them!

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:23am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#218 of 417)

Rm 222?

Nah... more like uh....

Taxi... we yell at each other, too...

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:25am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#219 of 417)

Geez, glen... thanks for the mental picture there... *S*

And yeah... glad there's no fire...

Later...

[lara croft] - 01:26am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#220 of 417)

Mary Tyler Moore

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:27am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#221 of 417)

Glencarr, so, how do you like Hillary? Does she represent Long Island? Don't know much 'bout NY.

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:29am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#222 of 417)

I detest Hilly, ditto. If GWB didn't get elected, I'd be in meltdown. Thank God for miracles, eh?

Lara, it's a long way to Tipperary...

[Crimson] - 01:30am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#223 of 417)

...and, Crimson -- who refuses to talk to me anymore --

DITTO!!!

God, I'm sorry I missed you! BTW, I am not ignoring you. Just on your last thread, *G*, (I don't even remember what it was
about....but that could be age).

I enjoyed seeing you pop up again every now and then with a new thread (even if you did manage to make me just a weeee bit nuts),
and I will miss that. Very much. I don't know if you have my e-mail address, but I'd read that you still keep in touch with Libby and
she has it. Or, I just signed up for one of those hotmail accounts: gwen_elliot@hotmail.com

I would love to hear from you sometime.

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:31am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#224 of 417)

Hi Ditto!

I knew you couldn't resist one last go at it. *G*

Nice to see you back in action. And Jared is a very worthy adversary.

We had some great exchanges; some I'll never forget, especially on abortion. I will always remember the great debates between you
and Ancient Wisdom. Those were some of my favorites.

Glad you made it back to say goodbye.

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:33am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#225 of 417)

Libby, I liked that one Aussie woman who did a 180 on abortion. Rhianwen. Quite a courageous lady.

[Ringo] - 01:38am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#226 of 417)

Miss M...nope, no need for a tissue. But there are some posters here that I enjoyed reading. Enjoyed responding to. Others I felt
obligated to enlighten. haha You know...the libs.

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:38am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#227 of 417)

Huh?? Rhi???? Tell me more!

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:39am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#228 of 417)

No, it wasn't Rhiannon. Her name/handle was Rhian-wen & she had been a big pro-abortion type. Somehow, she underwent a
drastic change of opinion.

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:40am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#229 of 417)

Glencar, I'm not so sure about that. She started a thread and then abandoned it shortly thereafter. It was strange. I don't know if I
believed her.

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:43am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#230 of 417)

Libby, I didn't know her in her pro-abortion phase. But I did recall that quite a few people were shocked at her change of heart. I
wonder what ever happened to her?

[Jared7] - 01:44am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#231 of 417)

Hmmmm. Ditto has posted yet again and refused to address the Presbyterians, which I have now challenged him THRICE to do (and
tonight - not three years ago). Ditto has posted yet again and has failed to respond to any other religion or denomination
whatsoever. Given that asking him direct questions is apparently a total waste of time, I will ask rhetorically - can Dittophile ever
answer a direct question?? All objective analysts are invited to read the past few posts and answer this question. PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE DITTO, will you kindly just type the word "Presbyterian" once!! Will you PLEASE address some other religion other than
LDS'ers? Why won't you do this?? Why, oh why, will you never respond to one single direct challenge?? What is it in your make-up
that does not allow you to discuss one single question that you are asked?? All hangs on your very next post ditto - you will either
address Presbyterians and other religions and denominations or you will not! The world wonders ...

Ditto, I answered your question directly oh so many years ago, but you were apparently WAY too busy avoiding ever mentioning the
word "Presbyterian" and "Kolbe" to notice. To anyone with a passing familiarity with the Sermon on the Mount, Christ indeed said
what you quoted and then he launched into numerous specific examples where he specifically reinterpreted the old covenant in
new and different ways. I am not surprised that you are totally unfamiliar with this lengthy passage because it contains the "raca"
reference which, arguably, is the only reference he even made in the reported scriptures to gays. In fact, the "raca" reference is
DIRECTLY after the portion you quoted. (The raca reference (Matthew 5:22), as you should know, is where Jesus tells us not to label
people as "raca" which some etymologists have taken to mean "effeminate" or "gay", that is, Jesus specifically reinterprets the law of
the prophets relating to gays).

The familiar Sermon on the Mount starts with ditto's reference but then, and some may know this by heart, goes into specific
reinterpretations of the "Law of the Prophets" on adultery (5:27 - he condemns even thinking about it); divorce (5:31); oaths (5:33);
an eye for an eye (5:38); love for enemies (5:43); giving to the needy (6:1); prayer (6:5); fasting (6:16); treasures in heaven (6:19) and
judging (7:1) and I'm leaving out a lot. That is, immediately after the quote from ditto, there is passage after passage after passage
where Jesus lays down new laws/guidance to follow that are quite at variance from the OT and the Mosaic covenant (and perhaps
more close to the Davidic covenant). It is simply impossible to read the Sermon and come away with any other conclusion than Jesus
reinterpreting the "Law of The Prophets" on issue after issue after issue. I honestly don't believe ditto has ever read the Sermon if
he really believes the pabulum above. More likely, he is just using a debating tactic designed to make me actually quote the Sermon
back to him. I suggest that ditto read the entire Sermon (and everyone else) - it is very clear what is going on. Jesus's
"commandments" (actually it's debatable as to their binding character but that's a whole nuther issue) are VERY different from the
descriptions of male shrine prostitution going on in the Mosaic period. To assert that they aren't is just idiotic.

The Sermon on the Mount is from Jesus and directly refutes any and all of ditto's claims. Jesus tells us not to bash people like they did
in the OT and Jesus goes into great detail about other issues as well. For Christians, this should be dispositive as I pointed out to ditto
years ago, but he skipped the post apparently. (Luckily, ditto actually seems to follow Jesus' advice in his behavior, it's just that he
won't admit it in debate).

And as I usually briefly summarize, all of this is encapsulated in "love thy neighbor" which is what gays do (and what Jesus did).
Jesus hung out with adulterers and racas and others because he preached that we should all love them too. Ditto knows this - he just
wants to make me type and type and type for his own gratuitous pleasure.

The fact is that Christianity is a loving religion, as open to gays and lesbians as any religion, including Buddhists, Hindus, most
Moslems, Zorastrians, and everybody else. Most sects and denominations are beginning to recognize this (if they haven't already -
(most Buddhists tell me Christianity is woefully slow on this)and this is a very good thing (as I think ditto agrees).

J

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:44am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#232 of 417)

I don't know, glen. I never saw her again after that final thread.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:44am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#233 of 417)

Tell me... does anyone else see the illogic in this...

A bio teacher I know who is rabidly anti abortion claims to base her opinion on the following chain...

That Biology is the *Study of Life*... (yeah, ok)

That for something to be *alive* it has to be able to take in nutrition, grow, respire in some way and reproduce itself... (ok..)

That one celled organisms can do all those things. (Again, yeah ok...)

That *where you have one cell you have life*.... (well... possible but not always...)

That since one celled organisms are alive, and since an egg cell is a one celled organism, then that egg cell is *alive*...

I think that by her logic every woman who doesn't get pregnant this month, and who's body flushes out that egg, is guilty of
murder...

Oh... and egg cells are alive, but she refused to comment on whether sperm cells were...

There is a lack of flow to that logic, do you agree?

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:48am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#234 of 417)

Hmmmm. Interesting. I would have dropped dead if it were Rhiannon!

Crimson, I just sent you an e.mail with my Dittophile address. It's good to "see" you gain. I always enjoyed our interchanges -- and
your concern for my run-in with a jumping cactus!

Hi Libby. I just sent you an e.mail too.

I have some good memories of our debates here. It was fun, challenging, enlightening and entertaining -- even OJ. I loved winning
all the time! ROFL

I enjoyed our abortion debates (with and after AW) about "pro-lifestyle-choice", "Unique Human Individual" and, of course, the
striking similarities between slavery and abortion! I loved our heated exchanges in the MANY "how far is too far" threads. I REALLY
loved the threads in which I pissed you all off with my very liberal bad behavior! :)

Oh, and I enjoyed some of the threads you guys started too! :)

Whatever happened to AW? Did he change his name or leave?

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:49am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#235 of 417)

I must admit that I grew tres weary of the abortion threads. It got to be the same old rehashing of the same old arguments. I'm just
glad that we now have a President who respects life.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:50am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#236 of 417)

I mean... an egg cell has the potential to be alive... maybe... but then wood has the potential to burn... because it can that doesn't
mean it does...

If some thing has to be able to reproduce to be alive does that mean that those of us who can't have kids aren't alive? Or kids... they
can't reproduce themselves until they are into their second decade... is that when they come to life?

This teacher is not Catholic, btw, but is religious...

She lectures on this in class and kids take notes on her opinion as well...

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:52am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#237 of 417)

"I must admit that I grew tres weary of the abortion threads."

I know what you mean, Glenncarr. I enjoied them -- way back when -- but I've avoided them since.

Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères. [surferchicklet] - 01:52am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#238 of 417)

Respects life? maybe...

Later folks.

[Jared7] - 01:53am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#239 of 417)

This is SO unfair!! I spend 30 minutes typing a response and ditto makes nice with everyone while I'm busy!! He's good, I tell you -
he's SO good!

Hi everyone - thanks for visiting my thread!

JBoy

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:53am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#240 of 417)

surferchicklet, on the surface it doesn't make complete sense, but if you take it in conjunction with the usual argument, it'll
probably become clear.

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:55am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#241 of 417)

Jared, ROFL!

Yes I am!



Dittophile
More Evil Than Satan Herself
Even More Evil Than Libby


What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:56am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#242 of 417)

Well, Jared, I'm glad you started this thread. I'm a bit sad to see TOL go but I'm sadder still to see certain threads/posters doing the
same old crap.


[kariannhopes] - 01:57am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#243 of 417)

LIBBY - EVIL? Hehehe....hahahaha...hohohoho....heeheheh

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:58am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#244 of 417)

You'd think that that they'd make peace just before death! :)

[Jared7] - 01:58am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#245 of 417)

That's it - no more serious posts for me!! Ditto completely conned me and I am beaten (not substantively, of course, but tactically!)

Yeah sure, everyone is just going to scroll right through my religious missive now! Arrggghhhhhhh!

J

[Crimson] - 02:28am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#246 of 417)

Ditto, I just replied using my 'real' address. But sometimes, I can even manage to screw up cut and paste, so if you get my message, let
me know when you get a minute.

[lara croft] - 02:30am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#247 of 417)

I know I just did.

I tried, I really did, but my eyes glazed over, then crossed, then changed sockets, then when a slight snoring starled me and turned
to see who it was, I realized it was me.

I will miss you all. It's been wonderful... [Duh_] - 02:51am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#248 of 417)

NPR is not bad. I've been welcomed, and provided a link over here so that they could peer into our little world. Seems very
comfortable... very comfortable...

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 02:56am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#249 of 417)

Ditto, yep, lots of good memories. You really knew how to stir the pot and get things going. I remember the very first thread of
yours, I was on, when I first came here. It was a thread on legalizing prostitution. It was great. You had all of these wonderful
colorful charts and stuff....typical Dittophile style. *G* Bill Munz and I argued with you til we were blue in the face, but you never
gave an inch! (Also typical Dittophile! lol)..Yep, lots of good memories.

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 07:30am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#250 of 417)

Jared: as far as I am concerned, you are one the brightest people to come around here and I do hope you are joking when you say
you think i hate you! CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE! LOL (whatever gave you that idea?) I disagreed strongly (still do) on what went down
with NATO at that time. But NEVER think that I disliked you in the slightest, then, now, or forever! ; 0 )


Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 08:55am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#251 of 417)

Ohhhh Jared, you and your Dittophile arguments. You know darn well, his ego is way too enormous to ever admit he was in error.

But, you do have fun.

namida [NinianH] - 09:48am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#252 of 417)

You are so happy in your memories.....

I am reluctant to post this.

Remember the US Constitution

Remember the gratuitous bombings of Kosovo

Remember the children who died in Oklahoma City (the case has not been resolved)

Remember the various "gates" which our country endured during the life of TOL

Remember America the way she was 40 years ago--a decent place to raise children

Remember Waco and the anquish of this event and still we are not resolved.....

Remember millions and millions of dollars spent by a president who said he cared about the poor and the oppressed

Remember the dumbing down of our school children and their being forced into to submission using drugs

Remember life before we had to deal with the purposeful destruction of a viable baby via partial-birth abortion

Remember your parents now before we decide that the elderly should be put to death via humane means

Remember riding your bikes to school, and the leaves in spring, and the world was right....

Keep our country free. Stop arguing against our heritage, Stop funding those who wish to destroy us.

Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.....You have good in your hearts. Honor that good.

namida [NinianH] - 10:28am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#253 of 417)

Caity Mahoney

Barbara Wise

Ron Brown

Vince Foster

Sandy Hume

among others come to mind

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 10:43am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#254 of 417)

Is that a list of the people involved in your sexual fantasies?

namida [NinianH] - 10:46am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#255 of 417)

Hardly.

But you know better...

Tim [twillard] - 10:48am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#256 of 417)

Remember America the way she was 40 years ago--a decent place to raise children

The 1960s?

Dude!!!!!

namida [NinianH] - 10:49am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#257 of 417)

early 60's perhaps--I was in grade school...

[Yippie-Ki-Yay] - 10:51am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#258 of 417)

Two words:

Nuck Fewt

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 10:54am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#259 of 417)

Remember America the way she was 40 years ago--a decent place to raise children

You mean like running and jumping under your desk in "atomic-war drills" - getting in a fetal position and learning how to kiss
your ass good-bye?

God these Conserva-Nazis are f*ckin' stupid.

In her case the reason she has such fond memories of those days is that it was the last time she was able to see her feet - and looking
over her gut even then made it a challenge. The addition of 150 lbs probably didn't help.

OTOH - it would help her find a Conserva-Nazi husband - they like their women fat, dumb and ugly - just like their mothers.

namida [NinianH] - 10:55am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#260 of 417)

Light the corners...

Clinton via his FBI planned OKC perhaps and on Fox News the new testimony came to light last night. Smoke that one for a
while....the FBI knew. They covered up the other connections to the bombing...

But see, you guys are so remotely unaware of what has transpired...don't you want to know the truth?

I guess not....


namida [NinianH] - 10:56am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#261 of 417)

Adios...Hasta la vista...

Birds. Dirty, filthy, disgusting birds. [Brett in NYC] - 10:57am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#262 of 417)

early 60's perhaps--I was in grade school...

People so often seem to like the world as it was when they were children, no matter when that was. Oh, the innocence of youth.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 11:00am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#263 of 417)

Clinton via his FBI planned OKC perhaps and on Fox News the new testimony came to light last night. Smoke that one for a
while....the FBI knew. They covered up the other connections to the bombing...

Oh jeez.

I don't think I'll miss the nutballs. Maybe someday, but not right away.

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 11:04am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#264 of 417)

Fauforde

Maybe someday, but not right away

Probably because I'm a little older than you - but I've heard enough of these freaks - starting over 36 years ago with the John Birch
Society and their claims that flouride in drinking water was a Communist plot to take over America.

And that was one of their more lucid positions - FOX-News is borne out of that "mentality" - go figure.

[stmag] - 11:15am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#265 of 417)

Honest OJ, don't they just scare you a little bit?

Anton [Anton] - 11:19am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#266 of 417)

Oregon Jim:

Have you left your e-mail address anywhere?

The Compassionate Liberal - Kinder & Gentler [Oregon_Jim] - 11:25am Mar 21, 2001 EST (#267 of 417)

Anton

Here's my 'public' e-mail: radio_free_montana@hotmail.com

How's that new G4 with 1.5 GIGs RAM? A real screamer I'll bet.

BTW - do you use any of Adobe's products?

stmag

No kidding - real freaks.

[Jared7] - 12:09pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#268 of 417)

Jolly!! Of course it was a joke! - I've just been relentlessly baiting everyone to try to make this thread not die.:-) Like that
tremendously arrogant Blue Lime who continues to boycott for no apparent reason. Hey, how'd you like dittophile and me last
night?? Any pleasant or not-so-pleasant memories?? Nice to see you!

And that twillard, who wouldn't know a statistically significant poll if it was a bear and it bit him!

Anyone, and I mean anyone, who opposed NATO is a gravy-sucking pig!

J

[Jared7] - 12:11pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#269 of 417)

And Anton! Yeah, like he knows something about initiative and referenda! (Uh, actually, that's one of my least faves - I started this
great thread which he ignored and he started his own and guess which one took off and which one was ignored??!!)

J

[Jared7] - 12:13pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#270 of 417)

Fauforde, yeah, last night was just like old times with the dittomeister. I, of course, enjoyed it immensely until his tactical maneuver
left me biting his dust!

J

[Jared7] - 01:10pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#271 of 417)

And where is bacchus??!! Just because he doesn't know the intimate detailed history of the ratification/accession to the Atlantic
Charter (and specifically regarding Yugoslavia), he must hate me big time!

J

Anton [Anton] - 01:19pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#272 of 417)

jared:

What are you talking about? What thread did I start that was "ignored"?

Are you talking about the present or the past?

And where can I send you copies of newspaper coverage of my public involvement in the Initiative and Referendum process in
Massachusetts where I live?

[Jared7] - 01:23pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#273 of 417)

Hi Anton!! We each started an initiative thread and yours took off and mine shot straight to the bottom! I was just joshing/baiting
you - PLEASE do not take what I said seriously!! You are one of my all-time fave posters - your fantastic political acumen, your
amazing intelligence, your unmatched ability to get right to the heart of a question is without peer! You are the greatest - well,
Muhammed Ali was the greatest, but you're close!

J

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 01:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#274 of 417)

You know, Jared, Tirebiter once explained the Dittophile Arguing Style, I have it somewhere, maybe I could post it here and you can
see if your argument with D follows.

I have it saved somewhere because it was so darn accurate.....

[Jared7] - 01:27pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#275 of 417)

Fau, unfortunatly, I am now convinced that ditto is not Rush. Noone who got into like we did last night would fail to allude to it on his
radio show (as Rush has so far failed to do), so now I think ditto is David Limbaugh, Rush's bro. I'm seriously bummed, and Anton
going off on me has just added to my woes.

I am JOKING guys!

J

Anton [Anton] - 01:29pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#276 of 417)

Jared:

Bad me. I am all too sensitive.

In fact, I archived my threads on term limits, the impeachment only because I spent many hours researching, and I believe I
counted over 5000 posts, going back to January, 1997.

Your thread here is quite enjoyable and clearly you are a great judge of people and character. LOL.

Anton [Anton] - 01:31pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#277 of 417)

Oregon Jim:

Yep the G4 smokes. Have a few problems. Since I installed 9.1 it doesn't sleep automatically.

But my OS X comes next week and will see what that does.

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 01:31pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#278 of 417)

Oh goody, Anton. I hope you saved my impeachment posts. Learn from them...

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 01:33pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#279 of 417)

Here it is, I found it.

It's developed by Tirebiter, and I hope he doesn't mind that I repost it here...it is a good Memory....

This actually gives us a rather useful perspective on how Rusty Limbaugh himself would act, were he to ever allow himself to be
confronted with a reasoned rebuttal to his "arguments".

While I would never suggest that Ditto has the intelligence nor the savvy to do Mr. Limbaugh justice, he has appropriated some of
the PigHead's style.

First, and of key importance, is to frame an argument around an anecdote. Ditto has even helped to establish that the anecdote need
not be true. But the argument must be based upon an emotional construct that proves that the intended audience has been slighted.

Next, when challenged, demand that the challenger accept his nefarious participation in the evil construct.

If the challenger refuses to participate, start flinging epithets. "Fights like a girl" is a good one, as Ditto (and, likely Rusty) has
heard it, and been deeply hurt by it, all of his life.

If the challenger challenges the argument itself, accuse the challenger of avoiding the issue by not accepting responsibility.

If the challenger challenges the anecdote, demand an apology for being called a liar. It's always useful to suggest that the
challenger is the liar for calling the source a liar.

If the challenger challenges the source of the anecdote, or the argument, belittle the challenger for not doing his research, even if
said research can only be derived from the same dubious source.

If the challenger finally gives up on the useless exercise, call the challenger a coward. The whole point of the exercise is to win, so
as to prove to the intended audience that the construct was true, and that the challenger is a participant.

At all points along the "debate", declare victory. Making buzzer sounds helps to add a realistic flair, especially amongst those in the
audience who need cues.

Keep score. And insist on the proper order. If the challenger demands an answer, remind the challenger that he has never
provided an adequate response to any of several challenges himself, even if the challenges are spurious, or have been answered.
Always remind the audience that the challenger is avoiding something, even if he is not. If the challenger denies that he has
avoided challenges, add this to the litany of deflections.

There's more to come, BTW, including denying having said something, even if you've said it, and, of course, the classic "I was only
kidding/using hyperbole/making a fool of you" when denial won't cut it.

[Jared7] - 01:34pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#280 of 417)

Anton, thanks! See what I mean. Susie was the only poster to visit my iniative thread (cause she's so kind and nice and sensitive to
my feelings) and Silver Fox was the only one to visit my banking law reform thread (because he hated the very idea of even
discussing the issue) and I could go on and on. The only way I get people to visit my threads is to relentlessly bait them until they
can't resist!

faufordemeister, I would be interested in any decriptions of the ditto arguing style, but as I think I summarized last night (while I
was in my serious gay religious zealot mode), his primary tactic is to never let the words "Presbyterian" or "Kolbe" ever either
escape from his lips or from his typing!

J

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 01:35pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#281 of 417)

Yep. Sounds like Ditto hasn't changed much.

[Jared7] - 01:39pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#282 of 417)

Shhh fauforde, some might accuse me of actually using some of those tactics myself! High school and college debating was fun and
highly useful for boards like this!

J

Anton [Anton] - 01:47pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#283 of 417)

Here ya go. My earliest post that I have archived:

"Message: BBA Author: Anton (suston@cape.com) Date: Jan 19 1997 8:15AM

An excellent and well focused discussion. I hope it stays that way.

As some have already suggested, it takes 218 vote in the House to balance the budget. The responsibility and the challenge is with the
Congress.Again, as someone has suggested, if they can't or won't do it, let's get others whowill or can.

I hope everyone in this discussion has seen a copy of the proposed amendment. It's last year's warmed over but it still does not
balance the budget! And it insidiously does something that does not belong in a representative democracy, or at the very least,
should be used as seldomly as possible - the concept of the super-majority. This would end majority rule as we know it and give
unprecedented power to struggling minority parties.

Term Limits, Balanced Budget Amendment, both designed and intended to cripple the people's branch, the Congress. As some have
pointed out already. such an impotent legislature will leave power in the Executive and the Judiciary. Is this democracy?

Or perhaps, after more than two hundred years, we are finding that representative democracy just doesn't work for us."

Damn was I verbose, or what? I am glad I got over that.

(BBA was the Balanced Budget Amendment topic. I don't think I started it. Maybe I did. May have been one my early hi-jackings).

[Jared7] - 01:53pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#284 of 417)

Verbose?? Nah... I'd say you were overly wordy and redundant and perhaps a bit prolix, but definetly not verbose!

Hey, I'm the one accused of authoring War and Peace tomes that everyone just scrolls through!

J

Herb [knitknee] - 01:53pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#285 of 417)

You people actually ARCHIVE your posts???

WOW!!!

Herb [knitknee] - 01:58pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#286 of 417)

Anyone remember Eloriel?

She did a real nice job on the THEOCRACY IN AMERICA thread. Tough, well-reasoned posts ... no juvenile personal crap. Here for a few
months ... and then gone.

Anton [Anton] - 02:02pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#287 of 417)

Prolix?

Yeah, that too.

Herb:

As I stated, I archived my threads that contained much research and excellent content from a number of people who debated the
topics.

All good stuff for a book or two I have in the planning stages right now.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 02:06pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#288 of 417)

You people actually archive your posts???

WOW!!!

Who does?

[Jared7] - 02:11pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#289 of 417)

Uh, I should mention that I am currently researching/writing a book on a totally unrelated topic which I will not disclose to anyone
for now, but you all better buy and read it when it is published in about two years! If anyone cares to guess as to the topic, I would be
interested, but I ain't gonna confirm nor deny anything about it unless I get a Hillary/Newt-like advance from some stupid
publishing house!

Pulitzer Prize Baby!!

J

[Jared7] - 02:15pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#290 of 417)

Other than asking who Deep Throat was (yeah, like y'all are really going to help on that!), my very first post had something to do
with "love thy neighbor" and John 3:16.

J

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 02:42pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#291 of 417)

I remember her, Herb. I think you've spelled her name wrong, but it was something like that. A very eloquent and knowlegeable
poster. She was terrific on women's issues, as well.

Today is the first day of the rest of my life. [geogent] - 02:56pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#292 of 417)

Just caught up on about 200 posts. Good thread with references to some fond memories.

Fauforde, thanks for that post on 'style'. From some of the discussions I've had, I think there are few who use that 'style'.

Someone asked about bacchus here and I asked about bacchus in another thread. Another I don't recall posting is kchuck. I'm
beginning to suspect they are aliases.

Dick H

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 03:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#293 of 417)

kchuck posted from time to time. Conservative with a Libertarian bent. From the Southwest possibly.

[dynamax01] - 05:34pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#294 of 417)

Well it looks as though Father Time is pulling the plug. It's been a good run, I enjoyed it. Hope to see you all on a new board. You can
go to ezboard at:

http://pub53.ezboard.com/bnottol

This looks to be as good as anything out there, and its being set up by some good folk you will recognize from these boards.

Good Luck,

Dynamax

GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 05:35pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#295 of 417)

Kchucks from Phx. TC had lunch with him. Check the too damn hot thread.

[_Liz__] - 05:39pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#296 of 417)

Ok sing along with me Sundance, Liz, Rhi, Libby etc.

g*

[SusieQueue] - 07:45pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#297 of 417)

Jared....

Susie was the only poster to visit my iniative thread (cause she's so kind and nice and sensitive to my feelings)

Moi? I don't recall ever being kind, nice and sensitive? lol...

BTW... I just created a new PF/TPS "memory" today. Had lunch in Silicon Valley with LWN (remember her?) and Whatsupchuck. All
the rumors are true. he is, in fact, the tallest man on the planet! LWN and I have met several times, since we live about an hour and a
half from one another. She's even funnier in person that she is on the boards.

And we talked trash about all of you the whole time! *G*G*G*

[Duffy] - 10:45pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#298 of 417)

I got this from Duckgirl:

THE RULES

For those of you who don't already know, these are the rules that are in effect in every relationship.

1. The female always makes the rules.

2. These rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.

3. No male can possibly know all the rules.

4. If the female suspects that the male knows all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.

5. The female is never wrong.

6. If the female is wrong it is because of a vagrant misunderstanding which was a direct result of something the male said or did
wrong.

7. If rule number six applies, the male must immediately apologize for causing the misunderstanding.

8. The female can change her mind at any given point in time.

9. The male must never change his mind without express written consent of the female.

10. The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.

11. The male must remain calm at all times, unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.

12. The female must under no circumstances let the male know whether she wants him to be calm, angry or upset.

13. Any attempt to document these rules could result in bodily harm.

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:58pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#299 of 417)

Susie---glad you had a fun lunch. ;)

Jared...thanx for this thread---it's been fun to read the memories (even if you DID have to bait everyone to get them to come post
*wink*)---and it's up to 300!!

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 11:24pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#300 of 417)

Susie...I remember LWN..omigosh, she was totally hysterical! I think she's the one who started that thread on circumcision, where all
the Pathfinder men were telling whether they were or weren't! It was sooo funny! If you talk to her again soon, give her my
regards. *G*

[SusieQueue] - 11:31pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#301 of 417)

LWN is a delight, Libby. She and I have met several cyber friends together, including Lisa, Perf, Hardigan, Alwright and now
Whatsupchuck. She started some threads over at TPS that nearly sent Mel into cardiac arrest. lol... She's a GREAT friend, and I always
enjoy being with her. You might find her on Cybeeria occasionally, btw.

Susan -- You will have to come out to visit your California relatives in Monterey one of these days. LWN and I would probably be up
for a "girls' weekend" down that way! *G*

I will miss almost of you all. It's been wonderful [Duh_] - 11:32pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#302 of 417)

WOW. I wonder where Alwright is nowadays... That’s a name from the past...

[SusieQueue] - 11:49pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#303 of 417)

Alwright is still in Chicago, doing fine. He posted at TPS for a long time, but not so much lately. He's a very nice fellow with a great
sarcastic sense of humor.

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 12:15am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#304 of 417)

She started some threads over at TPS that nearly sent Mel into cardiac arrest. lol...

I can just imagine! *G*

Alwright is a peach, as well, and great sense of humor. Haven't talked to him since TPS days.

[whatsupchuck] - 09:58am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#305 of 417)

LWN is a delight, Libby. She and I have met several cyber friends together, including Lisa, Perf, Hardigan, Alwright and now
Whatsupchuck. She started some threads over at TPS that nearly sent Mel into cardiac arrest. lol... She's a GREAT friend, and I always
enjoy being with her. You might find her on Cybeeria occasionally, btw

LWN and Susie were BOTH a delight to meet in RL, as I KNEW they would be! I'll gladly face the nefarious rolling blackouts any day to
meet up with those two again!! *G*

All I'd need to do is also get Lisaa (whom I've met in RL as well) and MsRobbie into the mix and I'd surely go into some sort of
ecstasy-induced coma...

[Jared7] - 11:56am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#306 of 417)

Thanks for the memories! Wow, why did I suddenly get a Bob Hope rush??

Keep em coming!! If Blue Lime doesn't show up soon, I will soon be loading up the Rider truck and going to Tennessee! He longer
rules - he is now lower than a denebian slime devil and I hope he makes the very same decision of oh so many Star Trek security
officers in "deciding to wear red today."

J

[Jared7] - 11:58am Mar 22, 2001 EST (#307 of 417)

And that Linguist dufus! Yeah, he's probably struggling to find the words necessary to respond. Too bad he has such a poor
vocabulary and can't even form a simple phrase on this thread!

J

Pitbull on the pant leg of opportunity [DaveGin] - 12:26pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#308 of 417)

Jared, I'm now channeling Linguist as we speak:

"Me like bords very much. Some fun, huh? Lots of purty wurds to see. But Jared is a bad boy. Very bad."

Hope that helps.

[Jared7] - 12:30pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#309 of 417)

Bad boys?? Whatcha gonna do?? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you??

J

Tim [twillard] - 01:42pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#310 of 417)

Jared,

And that twillard, who wouldn't know a statistically significant poll if it was a bear and it bit him!

Well.....if you keep your head out of your ass, you generally won't get bit there.

Try it.

[Jared7] - 01:47pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#311 of 417)

Good one twillard!! I hope you realize that I was only joking in order to get you to come over to this thread and post fave and
not-so-fave memories and it worked!!

Seriously, your polling thread was undeniably the best thread during the election season and I checked it constantly and I am
eternally grateful for all the time and effort you put into it and you clearly demonstrated that you are not only the most intelligent
poster ever seen on these boards but also the most gracious and friendliest and kindest and trustful and loyal and helpful and
courteous and the whole Boy Scout law!!

Sorry if I offended you.

J

Tim [twillard] - 01:48pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#312 of 417)

;-)

[Jared7] - 01:58pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#313 of 417)

Oh, the old reverse insult tactic designed to make me become ever more effusive in my compliments!! Are you sure you aren't really
dittophile??

J

[Kluge] - 02:13pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#314 of 417)

Back during the Madame Halfbright/Clinton War, the same war dumbo referred to as the Kosovonian War (Boy, the man has a way
with words), Jared was a bloodthirsty hawk. I would like to suggest that Jared reconsider his position and apologize for his folly or
take up arms and go to Macedonia.

[Pru] - 05:58pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#315 of 417)

Funnnnnny posters here!!

I enjoyed my brief sojourn.

'Bye allllllllllllll........

"...but when you come to Heritage USA, remember to bring your Bible and your VISA carcard - because the Bible
is the Holy Truth, and God doesn't take American Express." [Rhiannon] - 10:29pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#316 of 417)

glencarr,

I think my favorite night was when the Kathleen Willey story first opened. It was while Miss Monica was servicing Bubba but
before we actually got the rest of you to see how sleazy he was. Lotsa fun there with Lara, RC, Mel, Rhi, Libby & others. I'm going to
miss you people...

THAT was the MOST fun I've ever had here...we had the repubs going that night...and the one-liners were flying! Man, those were
the good ol' days.

Proud member of "you guys" and "some people"... [surferchicklet] - 10:33pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#317 of 417)

Dave...

LOLOLOLOLOL

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 10:33pm Mar 22, 2001 EST (#318 of 417)

Ummm, Rhi, we had you Dems going! It was a great night that will always be a nice memory of this dump. It had started to get nasty
at one point but then cooler heads prevailed. I think we ran up 700 posts in one night.

[Jared7] - 02:58am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#319 of 417)

Kluge, to refer to Jared in the third person on a thread in which he is the thread parent is just the sort of tactic of which Jared would
probably approve. Let's ask him, shall we??

It is indeed the case that Jared is immensely proud and most certainly approved of the (insert Margaret Thatcher accent) "heroic
action of our fighting forces" in the recent situation involving Kosovo (and the earlier one in Bosnia). And I believe that Jared has
visited Macedonia on one occasion already. Jared would probably state there is no need for him to reconsider the issue as he firmly
believes in the principle of self determination as so nobly laid down in the Atlantic Charter. And Jared is also probably pleased that
many of the alleged war criminals are being brought before justice. But Jared might also be a bit reticent to drag up old arguments;
knowing as he does, that jollyollie and bacchus (and perhaps Kluge and maybe primal) are almost certainly waiting to pounce on
him.

Jared also recalls that he was hardly a "cooler head" on the subject of Ms. Willey.

J

[Jared7] - 03:18am Mar 23, 2001 EST (#320 of 417)

Uh, which planet was that?

And a postscript to Kosovo - Jared must admit that he is not entirely confident in the ability of President Bush to handle any foreign
policy situation, let alone the Kosovonian (sic!) one. But Jared is currently in a "all we are saying is give Bush a chance" mode so
perhaps Jared wouldn't make that comment at all.

J

[Jared7] - 01:41pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#321 of 417)

Now that's funny!! My post #320 was in response to a post from a "Pelle nerfball" or something that said "Liberal SPIN has spun us
off the planet" or something like that. That's why I asked "uh, what planet was that". But the "delete" function enabled that poster to
delete the set-up, so my "joke" now sounds pretty ridiculous!

The introduction of the "delete" key was a new and different thing with this software (unlike the old Wabbit stuff), which allows
such non-sequiters to occur. Yet another good memory of this place!

J

[Jared7] - 02:37pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#322 of 417)

Uh, speaking of LWN, I will NEVER forget the time that me and Babette (we were really tight in those days:-)) were having a good old
time agreeing about how awful the "new" smoking restrictions were/are and LWN came on and just let me have it with all the gusto
that an anti-smoking zealot could muster. She calmed down when I went into whining mode (I can be good at that) and pleaded with
her to let me smoke outside in -60 wind chill and she relented:-)

J

[Jared7] - 04:11pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#323 of 417)

I put this elsewhere, but for all those WKRP fans, I just have to say, that "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!"

J

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 04:40pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#324 of 417)

LOL Jared! You are too funny!

Now stand still and smile big, I'm about to archive this thread for Duh's Memory Pages.

(Only kidding about the "standing still" - I'll get to the rest as it's posted)

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 04:43pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#325 of 417)

YEY.. I would love that.... I wish we could do the Tom Mandel one, but that is just so huge....


[The Horseman] - 04:54pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#326 of 417)

I hope not, surferchicklet. I questioned his ethics, but I don’t remember personally insulting him. Let’s hope that his petty action of
banning me will not be repeated. I’m expecting to be banned soon, but maybe we who have the utter gall to challenge Dave and his
online friends (who commit quasi-criminal acts) will be given a pass. I doubt it, but let’s see.

[The Horseman] - 05:02pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#327 of 417)

Jared7 said: " Great one Ditto - much appreciated! Of course, you refused ever to address the Presbyterians, who, even as we speak,
are failing to ratify the proposal to ban the sanctioning of same sex unions."

Jared, I’m a Presbyterian, and I can tell you that we are not only failing to go for this hate nonsense, we may be performing gay
marriages in the near future. We believe that love is a gift from God, and God is never wrong.

[The Horseman] - 05:09pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#328 of 417)

Although I love my church and I’m a heterosexual, if my church strays from this obvious truth, I will renounce my church and stop
attending. The fact that many Presbyterians feel this way is the reason the church is taking the stand it is. We are a peaceful,
loving, and tolerant people.

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 05:11pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#329 of 417)

I am determined to leave this place remembering the good times. We have all had our bad days..everyone of us...but I won't let that
ruin what was good about this little community. There was a lot of love shared here...and I will treasure that always.

[Jared7] - 05:15pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#330 of 417)

Hey Horseman! Always great to see a fellow Presbyterian grace these boards! Well, it's been pretty dicey, but I was assured by a
Presbyterian pastor who is quite "connected" (VERY friendly with Buchanan/Sara Bernice)that the horrific proposal to ban same
sex unions is going down in flames!!!!!!!!!!!! After the debacle on Amendment 2, this is welcome news indeed! Thanks for the
independent confirmation - I can just feel the love flowing! Of course, dittophile has never (and undoubtedly will never) let the
word "Presbyterian" escape from his lips or typing fingers, so perhaps, in the words of Marisa Torme(sp?) in My Cousin Vinny,
that's "moot" for the purposes of this thread.

Speaking of My Cousin Vinny, has anyone figured out what a "ute" is??

J

[The Horseman] - 05:19pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#331 of 417)

Haha, Jared, it's not "ute", it's "utes".

Thank you for talking about our church. It's about time Christians talked about our love for all human beings without hearing the
hate from the Christian Right.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 05:57pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#332 of 417)

[The Horseman] - 04:54pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#326 of 331)

I hope not, surferchicklet. I questioned his ethics, but I don’t remember personally insulting him. Let’s hope
that his petty action of banning me will not be repeated. I’m expecting to be banned soon, but maybe we who
have the utter gall to challenge Dave and his online friends (who commit quasi-criminal acts) will be given a
pass. I doubt it, but let’s see.

Whatta Maroon.... oh, yeah. What a way to bury the hachet.... GAWD your a schmuck...

Fundamentalist Hindu Pentacostal Sufi of the Kabalistic Order of Atheist Shamans [Nigel] - 06:09pm Mar 23, 2001 EST
(#333 of 417)

quasi-criminal

Is that kinda like quasi-pregnant?

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 06:17pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#334 of 417)

LOL, Nigel. You must forgive him, its just Parker wants me and wants me bad.... he just can’t get enough of me....

What to do, yeah... [ex-glencarr] - 06:53pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#335 of 417)

And you folks thought the Hatfields & the McCoys lasted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long...

[Duffy] - 07:16pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#336 of 417)

Jared, I’m a Presbyterian, and I can tell you that we are not only failing to go for this hate nonsense, we may be
performing gay marriages in the near future.

That's great!

It's about time Christians talked about our love for all human beings without hearing the hate from the Christian
Right.

Amen :-)

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 07:45pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#337 of 417)

One of my memories will be some of the taglines some posters have added to their usernames.

Rhi, I think you had the one about "not being able to get a clue if you...." and then it went on...I don't remember exactly how it went,
but it ws pretty funny.

Dave's always had some pretty unique and humorous ones.

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 08:53pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#338 of 417)

Jared7 said:

"That's it - no more serious posts for me!! Ditto completely conned me and I am beaten"

I REALLY hate agreeing with you, but when you're right, you're right!

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 09:05pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#339 of 417)

Libby said:

"You really knew how to stir the pot and get things going"

My forte!

"You had all of these wonderful colorful charts and stuff....typical Dittophile style."

Why thank you.

"Bill Munz and I argued with you til we were blue in the face, but you never gave an inch! (Also typical Dittophile! lol)"

Well, duh! I was RIGHT!

"There was a lot of love shared here...and I will treasure that always."

Gosh, I think I'm gonna cry!

Libby, (isn't it time to change your pseudonym?) you were always a good adversary. You didn't play the silly games too many 'round
here played (like my good friends Fauforde and, of course, JaredBoy's shotgun-o-confusion tactics) which we spend sooooo much
time playing.

Instead, you got right to the point -- leaving me, well... speechless! Quite a Herculean feat for such a mild- mannered lib'ral!

Addressing the root issues in a rational manner is incredibly hard. Perhaps that's why we expend so much energy playing evasive
games.

[lara croft] - 09:06pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#340 of 417)

Let’s hope that his petty action of banning me will not be repeated. I’m expecting to be banned soon, but maybe we
who have the utter gall to challenge Dave and his online friends (who commit quasi-criminal acts) will be given a
pass. I doubt it, but let’s see.

Good Gawd, Sundance, you've been running around for almost a week braying about who you really are; posting that same ole
self-serving hype claiming to be hoping Dave won't ban you again.

You'd think that after being here this long, posting regularly, without being banned YET, you'd figure out that you aren't going to
be banned (unless you insist). YET, you are still meowing about hoping that nasty ole Dave won't ban you again, IN PRACTICALLY
EVERY FREAKIN' POST.

It's beginning to sound like you are just using that line to lead up to your current whine potshot or are hoping to call Dave's
attention to yourself so you can start something, get banned, (again) and then whine some more about it.

Give it a freakin' rest.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 09:09pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#341 of 417)

I kind of think he WANTS Dave to ban him...

[lara croft] - 09:09pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#342 of 417)

So do I.

[Duffy] - 09:10pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#343 of 417)

No he's fine. I told him he'd probably be banned so he wasn't sure...as that's usually the way it goes around here. Just let him be.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 09:13pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#344 of 417)

Duffy. LET HIM BE??? Of course. He can call me a quasi criminal, but hey, lets give amiss, eh? You are a piece of work Duff.

Herb [knitknee] - 09:16pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#345 of 417)

Hey, Otis ... you 'member that time down et the Fayette Diner when that new counter girl from California flashed her diamond
studded brazzeer at you?

Otis?

.

.

.

Otis?

[Duffy] - 09:17pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#346 of 417)

Sundance,

I forgot to mention. Thank you for always being respectful to me and my family -- especially about my grandmother's brutal death
(2 years ago)...which was obviously very tragic. Also, to the others who offered kind thoughts as well. I really appreciated that.

-Duffy

Herb [knitknee] - 09:19pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#347 of 417)

BULLSHIT ... BULLSHIT ... BULLSHIT

{{{sorry ... it's the Tourette's}}}

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 09:21pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#348 of 417)

Lara & Duh:

You must know the story of the masochist who found his perfect love, a sadist.

On the honeymoon night, he threw himself down on the bed, and sighed, "Beat me."

And the sadist said, "No."

Nessus

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 09:22pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#349 of 417)

Ohmigod - they've killed Otis!!!

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 09:23pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#350 of 417)

LOL.....

Here Otis... Just for you....

(0)(0)

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 09:25pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#351 of 417)

Duh:

Are those what I think they are?

Loverly....

Nessus

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 09:27pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#352 of 417)

Whatthell.... I figure Lara could wear my shirt as a turban...

Herb [knitknee] - 09:28pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#353 of 417)

Now, Otis ... I KNOW they's big uns ... but that ain't no call to be rude.

[lara croft] - 09:36pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#354 of 417)

[Duffy] - 09:10pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#343 of 344) No he's fine. I told him he'd probably be banned so he wasn't sure...as
that's usually the way it goes around here. Just let him be.

Ohhhhhhhhh, YOU told him. Well then, all is right with the world.

I guess us (we?) meanies can go about our business now, and ignore his nonstop spam about Dave banning him, ignore his constant
attacks on Duh and go pull the wings off flies.

You've taken care of it.

PFFFFFFTTTTTT!!!!

[lara croft] - 09:38pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#355 of 417)

LOL you mean all this time Bill was just doing the A end of the T&A?

Ohmagawd.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 09:44pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#356 of 417)

I better be nice, god knows I have enough Sierre Leone lawyers knocking on my door....

[lara croft] - 09:48pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#357 of 417)

You are always nice, Duh.

It's one of the things I love about you.

Proud member of "you guys" and "some people"... [surferchicklet] - 10:18pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#358 of 417)

Me too, Lara... Sweet and kind, and never a harsh word, unless it is absolutely called for...

That's our Duh...

What about the *Introduce Yourself* thread, Duh?

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:23pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#359 of 417)

Oh, I see we are reverting to our usual "spats." *gg*

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:24pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#360 of 417)

BTW, Jared, you may add another Presby to the list (not sure we ever discussed that). ;)

[lara croft] - 10:33pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#361 of 417)

Scroll by, then. *G*

Susan [sjscruby] - 10:44pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#362 of 417)

Lara...I often do, since I have a very limited amount of online time. *g*

[lara croft] - 10:57pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#363 of 417)

Too bad you had some spare time tonight eh? *G*

Idle hands - devil's workshop.

Or so it goes.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 11:00pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#364 of 417)

I've got one halp of the IY thread, Slurp... will do the reast if I am able tonight. Otherwish, I'll have a little nap....

[lara croft] - 11:01pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#365 of 417)

Nap sounds good. LOL

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:10am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#366 of 417)

Jared: I still agree with the right on Kosovo: "we're stuck there for at least thirty years now" and the left: "what on earth is a proud
peacekeeping nation like ours doing dropping bombs on someone for the first time since Korea". No sense rehashing it. Take care
my friend. It was a distinct pleasure even when we were yelling.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 01:12am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#367 of 417)

Jim HONEY!!! Are you all right?

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:16am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#368 of 417)

Am ok Dusty. It's the end of a long day. I will be popping in a few times before the end of this place if I possibly can.

Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 01:16am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#369 of 417)

Yo Jolly

RiteCon was asking for you.

[Jared7] - 01:20am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#370 of 417)

Indeed, jolly, you and I had some of the very best discussions/arguments of any I have had here with anyone! Remember Empire of
the Sun and that haunting song??!! Or when you conned that friend of yours to post a few times (uh, I think on the "other place") -
he was really funny and liked my Canadian jokes ("we have ways of making you pronounce the letter "o""). I still follow Canadian
politics as best as I can - unfortunately, I think both of us are somewhat misplaced amongst our respective countries' current
political groupings.

Nice to see you again!

Hey guys, we want memories here - preferably thought-provoking ones! I think John O needs to show up to lend a sense of dignity
and decorum to the place:-)

J

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:20am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#371 of 417)

Where was that Lara? I'd definitely like to say "hello" and sadly "goodbye" to her.

[Jared7] - 01:23am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#372 of 417)

Oh, and dittophile - I do truly admire your tactics. The latest one is indeed a classic. I think my original quotation was "I am beaten
(not substantively but tactically)". Leaving out the parenthetical seems to alter the meaning just a tad, dontcha think??

J

Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 01:24am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#373 of 417)

She was on Nessus' thread. Said she'd be back before this was all over.

Sadly, after reading a post of yours, I mistook it to mean you had signed off.

I told her that.

But she will be back before the end, hopefully you can connect.

I'll correct my mistaken impression when I next see her.

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:24am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#374 of 417)

Jared: I nabbed Suo Gan offa Napster. There's another great place on the web that will die too I fear. Rambling here but I joined the
provincial PC's here. (NOT federally). I had thought I'd never join a party again... It's really too bad I did not have your addy at the
time but there was an NDP MP that was in Yugo during the war. His report on same was very interesting.

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:27am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#375 of 417)

Am swamped Lara. I try to get on but am posting as if I can't... everytime I can... Really depressing to not have this place to drop in
on. Like I lost an honourary American citizensship almost...

[Jared7] - 01:27am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#376 of 417)

OK, in my role as thread parent and Linda Richman (sp?) wannabe, I will ask each of you to identify your very favorite post of all
time. Of course, you should not pick one of your own - the "Perils of Paulines" of mine is thus not eligible for me to pick (although
others can). I think I've already identified treetop's Umberto Eco post on paranoia as my all-time fave (which was immediately
deleted by Dave):-).

J

Civilized Societies Are Easily Conquered [Q] - 01:28am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#377 of 417)

- Be good to each other. See you on the other side.

- Q

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:32am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#378 of 417)

I know this much... I had a grand time at this place. I could never quite keep up with who was feuding with which and I know it
made me sad to see so many people I like, not liking a whole bunch of other folks I liked. "In my life I loved them all".

[Jared7] - 01:33am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#379 of 417)

Jolly, you sound too depressed! There are other sites and groupings and that e-mail thread (to which I sort of contributed) will
enable us to keep in touch somewhat - although Blue Lime and Thear seem to be hopelessly out of touch and treetop and linguist are
DELIBERATELY AND WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT boycotting my thread out of pure spite! Liven up dude! I just got back from skiing
and had a blast! One day I WILL go to Whistler and check out North America's greatest skiing joint (uh, other than Taos)!

J

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:36am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#380 of 417)

Partly depressed to be sure, but also tired. I drove to Calgary and back today and am exhausted.

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:38am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#381 of 417)

"In my life I loved them all".

Good song. I'll have to try and download that one. Hiya Jim. :)

Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 01:38am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#382 of 417)

I know Jolly, you've meant a lot to a lot of people around here. You've been kind of like that favorite cousin that every family has,
the one that sort of transends all the family bounds and manages to remain neutral throughout all the family feuds.

Danged if I won't miss ya.

But I'll be sure to tell RiteCon to do a search the next time she's on and see if she can't find you.

Melanie was on the other night, too.

All those who left, for one reason or another, are returning. It's great to see them again, even if just for a moment.

[Jared7] - 01:39am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#383 of 417)

Q, I'm pretty sure what you meant to say was "Be excellent to each other" and "Party on Dude" but perhaps that's too much a rip-off
from Bill and Ted.

Jolly, as I explained on one of the Napster threads, my nephew found a perfectly acceptable alternative to Napster within 20 minutes
of its demise (and it will be back as a charging royalty-paying "club" in a month or so). Like I was paying attention - I don't
remember the name of the site, unfortunately, but I'm sure that only a little investigation would be needed. After lengthily
explaining intellectual property law to my nephew and the need for royalties, his brusquely responded that "you can't sue em all",
thus proving to me that the Napster generation will free ride for so long as they possibly can!

J

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:40am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#384 of 417)

Hi Lib! Where are you loading from now? Need bail money? I was in a Post Office today and coulda sworn I saw your mug shot! LOL

Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 01:41am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#385 of 417)

Imesh? Scour?

Civilized Societies Are Easily Conquered [Q] - 01:41am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#386 of 417)

"I'm pretty sure what you meant to say was..."

- No. I posted exactly what I meant to say.

-

[Jared7] - 01:43am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#387 of 417)

Lara, jolly's the favorite cousin??!! I was thinking more like the crazy aunt in the basement (*quickly running away from jolly!*).

J

Synergy By Objectives [regal1] - 01:44am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#388 of 417)

Sorry to disrupt the conversation here, but TIME running out. J

Hello EveryBody. Jolly, good talking to you about Natural Gas and the environment in general during the election, and how valuable
Canada’s territories will be in the near future. Time is on your sideJ

JaredBoy - 06:05pm Apr 26, 1999 EST (#52 of 107)

In the face of some of the grimmest accounts of the utter barbarity of the Milosevic regime's efforts to exterminate the
Kosovar population to emerge so far… …

With the accedence of all of the front line states to the paramount principle of self-determination, as set forth in the
Atlantic Charter (to which Yugoslavia was an original signatory) and the North Atlantic Treaty and with the clear
applicability of the Genocide Treaty and the necessary repercussions from Milosevic's blatant breach of the Octoner
1998 agreements, there can be no doubt about the moral imperative of continuing Operation Allied Force.

Thank you for your thread and I just want to let you know not only how smart you are, but how right you are at the same time.J See
you some other time & space.

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:44am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#389 of 417)

It would take me about 100 hours to listen to every song I loaded. Considering work is 5 minutes away I'm good for 3 years before
starting over.

Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 01:45am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#390 of 417)

LOL Jared, I'm going to let Jolly skewer you on that one.

I've got a sermon to catch.

DUH - You preachin' hon?

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:46am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#391 of 417)

Regal: On a personal level: the best to you as always! As for Canadian energy... money talks! LOL

[Jared7] - 01:46am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#392 of 417)

Sorry Q - another of my rather lame jokes. You have been quite an inspiration through the years - always keeping your integrity
amidst the maelstrom and always pithily making your points (with which I usually agree). I'm pretty sure you were here when I
arrived and have been a constant source of pleasure throughout. Thanks for your contributions to this thread!

J

Synergy By Objectives [regal1] - 01:49am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#393 of 417)

Jolly, I does, and that’s why you’ll get the last LOL J QGrayson is one of the best! No matter what Conrad thinks about Him. :-}

Then there was ~Mbette / Libby~ & Largo49. LO LOL! And Hank Hill, who always seems to managed to agitate the discussion into an
endless spin.

Then I became a fan of Fiat Lux, and although he on at least two occasions expressed his disapproval of how I used my crayons,
together with Dan’l and earlier, with TuringMachine, with the aid of Lucky, we always managed to out last all the Global Warming
Thread arguments.

But the three major issues that IMO consider the most important, the environment, nuclear & weapons of mass destruction, and the
role of religion to global peace, were all realized from my association with the more or less 15 Lara Croft and SherrieG Explain it all
for you threads.

LOL! I think I’ll find someone to help me write this all down one day. Nirvana-DMZ, Diamond Cross, ~Underbelly~, the Garden of Love
& Reason, the Apex, Kite1, the Old Ol’ Perfesser Master and everyone who visited the General’s Villa or have taken a ride in Raoul’s
LearJet. LOL!

I know I’ve created a commotion several times and confused many about these things, so this is the time to say I’m sorry to have
agitated your minds. Specially Duh, Ms Robbie and others who felt the same way.

All I was trying to do was to implement those principles within the concept that I was hired to develop. So here’s Your PIN Pass to
Kite1.J It was a Great Adventure! Thank You Ms Croft & General Maam, next time, you’ll know what to do!?!? Ha 3xJ

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:50am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#394 of 417)

Lara: I almost missed that. Only saw it cuz of Jared's comment. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I recall fondly all those days, way
back, that you and I sparred. It was one of my most favourite tangents of all time. ; 0 )

[Jared7] - 01:50am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#395 of 417)

Regal, did I really say that?? With all those typos too?? Jolly had some good ones coming back too!! As did bacchus!! As did Primal!! As
did Kluge!! One of the best things about these boards is that one can vehemently disagree with someone (and write hyberbolic posts
like the one you quoted) and still be friends. What would have happened if the internet had been available during Vietnam?? Talk
amongst yourselves!

J
Synergy By Objectives [regal1] - 01:51am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#396 of 417)

I got lost of them good works on those many Kosovo Threads… it was very busy then :-]

Then the Athenian Goddess I’ve meet one night at the General’s Villa, took me for a fun ride, in Her Fun Threads for about two
weeks.

It’s obvious Her Hearts belongs to The Great Bear -- The Arsenal Master! J

Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:55am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#397 of 417)

I was often reluctant to post political here. Never failed to upset someone if I did. I still think I can't be labelled. I really believed one
way in my youth but they disappointed me so I tilted right. They disillusioned me too. Now I vote for the ones that tax least, but I don't
feel real proud of that either. I am a crazy aunt...

Synergy By Objectives [regal1] - 01:55am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#398 of 417)

Ahhhhh but THEN! The Ultimate Trip of All, well up to that chapter R1 Looks Around For KariOneHon I’ve meet a Moon Goddess and
many of her Great Magickal People in the CromianLands. Great Ecstatic Memories!

Then one day, I meet a lovely lady named Kariann. As I journeyed to her home over at the country side, there I meet other kinds of
minds there! High Priest, Nasty Bishops, Duck Families and Dogs! LO LOL!

Although I know, Our KariannHandle, With the help of many Juuuust Entities and wisdom from all Thought Entities from the Old
World, given enough TIME, will conquer them in the end.

In these general chapters written in 25 months, I just want to say sorry to anyone I have offended, it was all done according to our
Nirvana-DMZ principles, I hope you’ll understand. And I also want to wish all the great people I have not mentioned, but have a
very special place in my heart and mind.

---Farewell EveryOne---


Lights out tonight, trouble in the heartland... [jollyollie] - 01:58am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#399 of 417)

Jared: arguing with you... I felt like I was bringing a knife to a gunfight.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 01:58am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#400 of 417)

agitated your minds.

Nah. That would have taken too much effort on my part....

Civilized Societies Are Easily Conquered [Q] - 01:59am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#401 of 417)

Jared7

- I always seem to lose my sense of humor on the 23rd of March. Tomorrow I'll be funny as hell and will recognize good humor when
I see it.

- I've been 'round here...hell, I've forgotten for how long. But to be honest I won't miss the place THAT much. I've been posting less
and less over the last few months because...very few seemed to want to actually discuss politics.

- And of course the disgusting lying bastard RWingers were more interested in protecting Reagan's revisionist legacy and Bush2's
corrupt past than discussing the War on Drugs or Missile Defense.

- Whoops. Probably said enough..... :-)

-

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:59am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#402 of 417)

Jolly...I'm using Amister these days and it works good! I bet there's more choices on there, than napster.

Eh..standby in regards to the bail money, though....I might be needin' it, if they ever catch up with me. *G*

[Jared7] - 02:28am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#403 of 417)

Jolly, if I were to commit the sin of endeavoring to label you, I would describe you as a progressive conservative with a heart of gold!
And you combine that with a reformer's spirit coupled with a never-dying idealism that is earnestly striving for a new democracy!

J

[Jared7] - 02:30am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#404 of 417)

Jolly, if I were to commit the sin of endeavoring to label you, I would describe you as a progressive conservative with a heart of gold!
And you combine that with a reformer's spirit coupled with a never-dying idealism that is earnestly striving for a new democracy!
And you don't like to be taxed...

J

Turn out the lights . . . [lara croft] - 02:30am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#405 of 417)

We did tear the house down, didn't we, Jolly?

There for a brief period in time, we had the attention of eveyone. We were in the center ring, we circled, we struck out, we
countered, we blocked, we jabbed and we swung roundhouse after roundhouse and we were at check and check mate on several
occasions. Passionate belief versus passionate belief. It really doesn't get any better than that.

It was a heady and intense time and as such it created feelings that weren't easily forgiven, forgotten or healed.

Here's to you. May passion always be in your life.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 04:13am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#406 of 417)

For what its worth, and me being presumptuous to speak for Jim - Jim's got a lot on his plate and this probably is the topper of it all.
Us all going away all of a sudden, us having so little time, and him having his priorities and his duties pull him apart.

I know he loves us all and is going to miss it all. I, for one, say, "back atcha"....

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 04:21am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#407 of 417)

Ditto....

Libby, (isn't it time to change your pseudonym?) you were always a good adversary.

As my Libbers friends have pointed out, there really is no need. Libby now stands for proud Libertarian....and you know you can
take the Libby out of liberal, but you can't take all the liberal outta Libby. ;-)

you were always a good adversary.

Thank you, dear. You were one of my most favorite adversaries. Frustrating as hell, at times, but you always made me think.

Instead, you got right to the point -- leaving me, well... speechless! Quite a Herculean feat for such a mild- mannered
lib'ral!

Awww, I loved when that happened, but it didn't happen very often! *G*

"There was a lot of love shared here...and I will treasure that always."

Gosh, I think I'm gonna cry!

Yeah, I've shed a tear or two, already, reading everyone's memories and what this place has meant to most of us. 'sniff'
Sad...happy/sad..

Well, duh! I was RIGHT!

LOLOL....hey, occasionally you were! ;-)

I'll be talking to you, Ditto. Take care.

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 04:22am Mar 24, 2001 EST (#408 of 417)

Jim O is a treasure, that's for sure.

[Jared7] - 04:17pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#409 of 417)

I guess I never got to know Duffy and it's too bad because I was just reading some good original composition from her(?) on some
other thread! Hey, you don't have to be a friend of mine to post here! I took way too many absences that I'm actually surprised I'm
remembered at all. Let's see - ditto says I have a shotgun style, jolly says arguing with me is like a gunfight. Y'all might be interested
in knowing that it was Dan'l who first said I was like a "hired gunfighter" within one week of my very first appearance. (Of course,
it was Blue Lime that did the "hiring" and he's ignoring me). Uh, I guess I must admit that I was a college debater and I guess that
stays with you for life...

J

"QUICK, shoot the messenger." --GOP [masontwo] - 05:04pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#410 of 417)

Reading through all the posts here I really am flooded with late night memories.

My first memory was of GOP Convention Reporter Oregon Jim and I was hooked by his 100 WAYS..etc. and grew to love each of you a
lot.

Do you all realize the extraordinary richness and variety of the unique world you created here?

I doubt that we shall see the like again.

(No one has brought up the mental health professional, Babette9 with her endless pastes from 'authorities' who all had middle
initials)

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 06:20pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#411 of 418)

Hi Mason! Nice to see you again.

Do you all realize the extraordinary richness and variety of the unique world you created here?

I think most of us do. That's why we're so sad to see it end. People were fond of saying this wasn't "real life" stuff, but for those of
participating here almost everyday, it was very real. The people here are every bit as real to me, as the people in my "real life"
world.

I doubt that we shall see the like again.

Sadly, you may be right about that.

Glad you made it back for goodbyes, Mason.

Jared...heh heh...debating team, eh? I think Ditto was attributing your shotgun tactics to your study of the law. I can remember your
reeling off about 20 questions in a row, and thinking "damn"...I'm glad I'm not the one debating him! *G* Very fun to watch, though!

[Duffy] - 08:44pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#412 of 418)

I guess I never got to know Duffy and it's too bad because I was just reading some good original composition from
her(?) on some other thread!

Thank you Jared! And yes, I am woman - hear me roar. :-)

There's fever in the funkhouse now [ex-glencarr] - 10:34pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#413 of 418)

The single best thread here was the initial Kathleen Willey thread.

As for the feuds, I tried to stay out of them. I regret getting involved in the silly "Tortdog" controversy over on the 100s. I've learned
a lot about participating in this type of forum. Of course, I'll never send the host an email with only 3 words again!

[masontwo] - 11:13pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#414 of 418)

You won't believe it I suppose, but on November 7 the lights were turned off.

It may be a while before we realize what we have lost.....these last 8 years were pretty great- We will look back and wish Bill in his
inimitable way was still keeping the faith, and all the lights lit.

I'm afraid it will become dumb and dumber, grim and grimmer, dark and darker as the months pass. I see no way this mess in the
White House can end well.

There's fever in the funkhouse now [ex-glencarr] - 11:16pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#415 of 418)

Please, Mason, this is a memories thread. Leave your nutty predictions at the door.

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 12:26am Mar 25, 2001 EST (#416 of 418)

~Libby~ - 06:20pm Mar 24, 2001 EST (#411 of 415)

Jared...heh heh...debating team, eh? I think Ditto was attributing your shotgun tactics to your study of the law. I can
remember your reeling off about 20 questions in a row, and thinking "damn"...I'm glad I'm not the one
debating him! *G* Very fun to watch, though!

Yup. You're good, girl! A well used evasive tactic: instead of answering the questions posed to you, demand that the questioner
answer 100 questions for every question asked.

Thus, the step-by-step I'm-juz-a-simple-minded-dim-witted-ditto counter-tactic.

P.S. I'm ONLY here because FedEx totally LOST my Saturday Delivery of Mac OS X! Otherwise, I'd be totally lost in OS X!
Owha-tageek-iam. What a terrible way to waste a perfectly good weekend! :)



Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 12:29am Mar 25, 2001 EST (#417 of 418)

Jared7:

Oh, and dittophile - I do truly admire your tactics. The latest one is indeed a classic. I think my original quotation was
"I am beaten (not substantively but tactically)". Leaving out the parenthetical seems to alter the meaning just a tad,
dontcha think??

Good, you're paying attention! LOL

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 04:00am Mar 25, 2001 EST (#418 of 418)

P.S. I'm ONLY here because FedEx totally LOST my Saturday Delivery of Mac OS X! Otherwise, I'd be totally lost in OS X!
Owha-tageek-iam. What a terrible way to waste a perfectly good weekend! :)

Oh...uh huh. You MAC people speak like a totally different language. I mean it looks like English, but I never know what in the heck
you're talking about. But I'm real sorry you're...uh..."delivery" didn't make it. lol You must be hurtin', huh? *G*

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 04:04am Mar 25, 2001 EST (#419 of 520)

P.S. I'm ONLY here because FedEx totally LOST my Saturday Delivery of Mac OS X! Otherwise, I'd be totally lost in OS X! Owha-tageek-iam.
What a terrible way to waste a perfectly good weekend! :)

You and me both DItto...

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 02:06pm Mar 25, 2001 EST (#420 of 520)

Libby, Mac OS X is the newest operating system for the Mac. Remember, I've been beta testing it for a while now. They just released the final version.

Duh_, you too? I am SOOOO pissed off at FedEx! I waited ALL day for that darn thing...

FedEx messed up EVERYTHING from the get- go.

I called them at 8 AM yesterday morning to find out why their web page STILL listed my package listed as being in the "Sort Facility, Memphis TN" when it was
supposed to be delivered that same day -- clear aross the nation. They told me that it was marked for Monday delivery 'cause it was 2nd BUSINESS Day delivery,
Duh! After I pointed that Apple had generously upgraded all orders to 2nd Day Saturday delivery, they confirmed their mistake. They told me that they'd have
someone track it down and call me within 1 hour.

They called more than two hours later, saying they'd found it and promised "guranteed delivery" by 4:30 PM. I thought, Great. I can live with that. The web page
even started showing that that the package was not only in my city, but had gone out at 8:35 AM (1.5 hours prior to the last conversation).

Four-thirty came... 5... 6.... At 7 PM I called them and they confirmed it would be delivered.... I called them back at 8 PM and found that the local office had closed
at 5 PM local time and wouldn't be making any more deliveries. "Sorry. I don't want to mislead you... It'll be delivered Monday... There's nothing I can do... What
do you want me to say? ... What do you want me to do? ... Everyone there's gone home..." yada, yada, yada.

After telling them in no ambiguous (i.e., less diplomatic) terms that "That simply won't do", the representative transferred me to her manager. She ended up
contacting the local depot manager. He spent almost an hour looking for my package. He knew it was in the building, but "we simply can't find it. It's totally
missing. This happens sometimes... it usually turns up the next morning when we begin scanning the packages...." He implied that they'd delivered some 500
copies to the local community, and had lost 50 of them!

He'll call me back Monday morning. If he can't find it, he'll have to get Apple to send another. To be fair, the Manager was sincerely apologetic, but that didn't
make me feel any better.

I'm not in a good mood... my weekend plans of late night caffiene oozing tinkering, hacking,... FUN are all ruined -- all over a stupid operating system.

Am I a nerd, or what?

WANTED: Double jointed blonde with no gag reflex! [Blackricco] - 02:24pm Mar 25, 2001 EST (#421 of 520)

"Owha-tageek-iam"

Your ‘nerdese’ needs a little work, Ditto.

The correct phrase is... Owha tagee kiam. *G*

Those votes were not illegal, they were invalid! [plainbill] - 02:48pm Mar 25, 2001 EST (#422 of 520)

Hi, Ditto. I'm curious about your impressions of OS X so far. I'm at 9.04 and pretty happy with it. Is OS X worth the price in comparison? What's the biggest
difference?

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:44am Mar 26, 2001 EST (#423 of 520)

Black Ricco, THANKS! I've been trying to remember that for the longest time. I was asking my wife about those phrases we all learned as kids, but she not only
didn't know, she had no clue what I was talking about (what a protected childhood!).

Are there any more? My kids LOVED that one.


Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:44am Mar 26, 2001 EST (#424 of 520)

plainbill, personally, I love OS X. I've long thought that unix needed to be cleaned up, which Apple/Next have done. Unix is far too cryptic and disorganized for
the normal user. It evolved over many years. The home user doesn't care about "/usr/local/bin" -- and doesn't want to know about it.

Next and now Apple have made major improvements to the unix experience. The others will follow -- as usual. All the various flavors of unix will have to be
made far more user friendly than they are before they will make the non-geek happy. Linux also suffers from this problem, but it's getting better.

Now to the question of whether or not you should buy it soon. What do you want to use it for? Its benefits are the usual (sability...). It comes with several apps,
but not many right now. Are you a geek who wants a good interface to unix? Or do you just want your apps?

Personally, I bought it for several reasons -- all of which are related to my nerdhood and my profession. Part of what I do is programming. I'm currently using
Java. I purchased Mac OS X Beta so I could have a better implementation of Java than OS 9.0.4. Since that version only had a beta (i.e., limited) version of Java, I'm
going to upgrade.

The other reason is that I'm estatic that someone has finally made unix much more user friendly. I do unix. I've done unix for years. I hate the command line.
I've hated every unix based GUI I've used, and I've used a lot of them. I do unix. I do command line. But, I want to actually get my work done rather than trying to
figure out just what cryptic commands I need to type to get to my job.

My motto is that if you love the command-line, you should NEVER be allowed to write a GUI 'cause you just don't get it -- at all! All the current unix GUIs suffer
from this -- except Next and now Aqua. Apple gets it. Jobs gets it.

OS X is a great OS, far surpassing Windoze and linux IMHO. By the end of the year, most of the typical free unix programs will be ported. Unfortunately, they will
have all the elegance of the typical unix program -- initially.

Actually, IMHO, Mac OS X will be the best thing to happen to the unix world in not so recent memory -- because Mac lovers love not only a GUI, but a well thought
out, world class GUI. They will (and already are) making all the command line utilities (e.g., cron, chmod...) user friendly -- finally. They will set a high
standard. Because of Apple and all the Mac OS Bigots, all the other flavors of unix will benefit -- especially linux (which is still driven by command-line geeks
who just don't get it).

Mac OS X. Finally, someone does unix RIGHT.

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 01:53am Mar 26, 2001 EST (#425 of 520)

Oh honey, Ditto, get this. First time I dealt with the Apple store, I waited 5 months for a G3 that they said would take two weeks - but they cashed my check.... then
I cancelled and had to wait another 6 weeks to get my money back. This was back when you were put on hold for an hour... I had never got through with less
than an hour wait...

Then I though (a month and half ago) I could go through them to get my new G4. After three weeks of them telling me it was coming, I had them cancel my
order and order my G4 from the people who sold me my G3, G4 #1 and G4#2....

THEN... I thought they couldn't screw this up... its THEIR software...

I preordered it the 5th, and they took my money. But I called to find out they shipped it the 18th (supposedly) and I'm one of the only ones that DIDN'T get the
upgrade to Fedex. First they assured me it WAS being shipped Fedex, but couldn't get me a tracking number - turns out it was shipped UPS... then I called back
again, just to see what they'd say and to see if I could get a free shirt or something for being screwed over, I asked where my order was - the lady said it was
being shipped Fedex. I asked for a tracking number, and she hemmed and hawwed and finally admitted it was being shipped UPS.

When I finally get it.... June, probably... I'll install it on G4 #2 instead of #3 because I have too many apps not carbonized...

Those votes were not illegal, they were invalid! [plainbill] - 02:56am Mar 26, 2001 EST (#426 of 520)

http://boards.pathfinder.com/@@Ii13PAcA6*BYtvf5Dittophile 3/26/01 1:44am

Thanks, Ditto, I think you just saved me 99 bucks. Sounds like it wouldn't do a thing for me. 9.04 does everything I want and the only crashes come from netscape,
which is generally only for fun anyway. Well, I'll rephrase that--I have never had a crash with any serious use of Netscape. Maybe it's just time for me to stay
put on this. Perhaps the funniest part is that I still maintain a 660AV for word processing, Ashlar Vellum, Roark and Young on Tk Solver and a few other things
like that. Roughly $5000 of software on a $100 antique puter, but none of it's compatible with the G-4.

Help Stop Pollution. Don't Exhale. [bacchus13] - 05:42am Mar 26, 2001 EST (#427 of 520)

Well, I was wrong, Jared. Your thread is still here! I missed it scrolling, and the find function missed it as well.

Thanks for bringing up Dr. Planarian. He and I had a number of enjoyable debates, both here and at TPS.

You and I, I think, had our finest moment on TPS (the debate on Kosovo).

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Nessus and Fiat Lux...and I wonder where Fiat Lux is, here at the end of things.

GhstwrtrX is another whose presence I miss.

I first started posting here in the spring of '95. It was AllPolitics then. I used several handles at first, trying to find one that seemed comfortable. Then a friend
reminded me of a nickname of mine from high school- bacchus- and that seemed right.

'Course, then the "sneak" ability to change your handle with each post had me as "seyek." I didn't feel like changing my registration at first, so "seyek" I was for
some time.

Dean has been a mainstay here for as long as I remember- embarrassing his fellow travelers and being meat for those who clash with him. One thing you can't
say about Dean: he doesn't do his research! He may often cite links that contradict his point (Copperud, on some early gun threads most famously), but he's
heavily footnoted (in a way)!

Oddly enough, it was Mel who taught me not to take the things here too personally. Watching him get worked up (you could almost see the froth) was a definite
clue.

I first met Liz on a cigarette thread. We had quite a row, and ended up agreeing to always disagree. It hasn't been easy, but I think we've managed pretty well, eh
Liz? LOL!

I also learned the best way to send OJ running: compliment him. Nothing sends OJ looking for another target better than extolling him as the "Great Wit of
Pathfinder." That's a useful tool: use it as long as you can (which isn't much longer now, sadly).

More later....as it comes to me

This is a great thread, Jared. Ignore the philistines who don't know how to appreciate it....

Civilized Societies Are Easily Conquered [Q] - 07:51am Mar 26, 2001 EST (#428 of 520)

"Mac OS X. Finally, someone does unix RIGHT..."

- Ditto, Ditto.

- I've been using it a couple days now...and although it has a few bugs and missing drivers...it works great.

- I've also learned never to order anything directly from the keystone cops at Apple.

-

[Jared7] - 06:41pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#429 of 520)

Hey bacchus!! Glad to see you made it - I was just about to send you another e-mail *flaming* you for not being able to find it, but I too was unable to get on for a
day or so. I will refrain from speculating as to why, but I think the responsible poster is all too familiar and constitutes yet another memory of this place! Yes,
our best posts were undoubtedly at TPS and not here, but that place is moribund and this one has a wider audience anyway.

Other than dittophile (on other issues), there is absolutely no doubt that you were my very favorite adversary through the years! You really challenged me and I
hope I did the same to you! Hopefully, we will meet on-line at some other place at some other time! (I have your e-mail address and you have mine).

Hey guys, I certainly don't mind the non-memory posts as this thread is one of the few flame-free zones (at least relatively) and I certainly understand. But, as
the thread parent, I want more memories, especially as there are only 5 days or so left! C'mon - surely some of you (such as BlueLime or Linguist!!!) have
something to reminesce about. I don't want this thread to be all about me!

J

I will miss almost all of you. That’s better... [Duh_] - 06:51pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#430 of 520)

I've also learned never to order anything directly from the keystone cops at Apple.

And you would have thought I’d learn by now....

[Jared7] - 12:15pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#431 of 520)

One of my very saddest memories of this place will be the way everyone seems to be avoiding this thread today!

J

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:26pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#432 of 520)

awwwwwwwwww, Jared...don't get tooooo sad. I think people are beginning to establish themselves on other boards. I, on the other hand, am playing catch-up
here---this is my first day off in a week, so I am way behind.

I do have some great memories from here. I'm not sure what I would have done without the moral (and sometimes financial and physical) support I got from
online friends during my period of unemployment.

Some of my best memories are not specific, but are of the many times we have all been there for each other during times of stress/illness/death/loss, etc... That
is something that can't be explained to those who have never been part of such a community.

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 12:29pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#433 of 520)

Present!

My favorite thread remains, to this day, the wood chisel thread. All of us who had debated guns for a very long time used it to trot out the other side's arguments
and apply them to wood chisels. It was great fun, and nobody lost his or her sense of humor. Kinda rare around here.

[Jared7] - 12:31pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#434 of 520)

Uh Susan, it appears that you too are falling victim to my never-ending efforts to bump this thread by trying out some lame joke.

Yes, one of the best aspects of a community, which is what this board was and other boards are not, was the human inter-relationships. Sadly, that will
apparently be lost for good and is one of the reasons I started this thread.

J

[Jared7] - 12:35pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#435 of 520)

Hi Robbie - glad to see you make this thread! My favorite thread (other than this one obviously and my very popular Banking Law Reform thread) was the
Religion and Gay/Lesbian Rights thread, which gave everyone the opportunity to read my gay religious zealot missives. Uh, I was rarely, if ever, on the gun
threads, unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be).

J

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 12:35pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#436 of 520)

My fondest memories are .... of me.

Coining "Rue LaLaw" and "mcmurray", which seemed to have passed into the lexicon.

And "obscuratanism" - which did not.

The Great Nanny War.

Watching Dean refute himself.

Countless others. More to follow.

Nessus

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:40pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#437 of 520)

Always love the Wood Chisel stuff...as well as the General NoodleNipper threads. ;)

LOL, Jared---I recognized your usual attempt to "guilt trip" people into posting. *g*

[Jared7] - 12:48pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#438 of 520)

Nessus!! Allright, now we're cooking! Please let the memories flow (as have many many others). Uh, I saw your comment on the Babette thread and I have to
disagree that bacchus and Libby were the only two never to engage in Babette-style posts. In fact, I would say that the vast majority of posters were generally
civil - now, maybe that's because I haven't been around too much in the last, say three years:-)! As to Babette, as I have said WAY earlier, she and I were pretty
tight in the old days and I actually liked her a lot. I don't think it's too much of a stretch, however, to say that she did get kind of wacky at times. I wasn't around
when she got banned, so I'm perhaps not fully aware of all the issues surrounding her.

J

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 01:10pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#439 of 520)

Jared:

You're probably right. It depends on how you want to define it, I suppose.

It's just that I can recall reading threads in which Libby and Bacchus they were being abused outrageously - (long past the point where I would have slipped in
the dirk), and still I watched them deal with the nonsense in an even handed and even polite manner. I'm sure that there were others.

If these boards have disproved anything to me it is the following:

A kind word turneth away wrath.

On the other hand, it has substantiated my long held view that no good deed goes unpunished.

Nessus

[Jared7] - 01:16pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#440 of 520)

Nessus, well you never saw bacchus and me go at one another tooth and nail over on TPS on Kosovo!! Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were always civil, even-handed and
polite with one another but concentrating all his intellectual firepower on poor little ol me was just, well, cruel and unusual!! I still bear the scars!! I mean,
when he said that Yugoslavia was not an original signatory to the Atlantic Charter and I had to backpeddle and backpeddle and had to finally hit on the words
"original adherent" to the Atlantic Charter, I felt so used and abused!!

J

[firecracker!] - 01:22pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#441 of 520)

I thought some of the wildest threads were the Elian threads. God, how could one little boy illicit so much hate among posters. Thought posters would go nuts last
Easter Sunday when the feds took Elian from the Miami relatives and reunited him with his Dad!

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 01:35pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#442 of 520)

One of my very saddest memories of this place will be the way everyone seems to be avoiding this thread today!

Aw, c'mere ya little shaver, and cheer up.

Have you joined the other boards yet? Do you know where to go? I can tell you but you must email me first....(it's a rat-free location & we want to keep it that
way).

And also....Has anyone "seen" Treetop?

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:41pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#443 of 520)

Nessus, thank you for the kind comments, but I do finally run out of patience, at times. But when I do, you can be sure something pretty serious has gone down.
I've always seen you as very level headed, as well. And what you say about bacchus was also very true. He had great patience and a great intellect. I really
enjoyed talking with him...and you...and most of the people on this board. I am going to miss this place. :(

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 01:43pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#444 of 520)

Has anyone "seen" Treetop?

I have not. I keep looking for him, either here or over at the 100's. He just kind of dropped out of sight a few weeks ago.

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 01:47pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#445 of 520)

Shroom correcting the network call of FLorida on election night.

Oh. That reminds me of my only really succesful thread (aside from The Parting Glass Saloon).

I created a thread that said: TENNESSEE RECOUNT UNDERWAY!!! FLORIDA MAY BE IRRELEVANT!!

Got a lot of people with that one, and that was just the ones that 'fessed up that they'd been had.

Nessus

[Jared7] - 01:48pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#446 of 520)

I tried joining one of them last night, but Jared was taken and Jared7 was taken and Jared77 was taken. I finally got sort of registered as Jared777, but then it
wouldn't let me log on. And then I got some e-mail saying go to this website to complete the process, and I tried to go there and it wouldn't let me. Yeah, it's really
an "ez" board, I can tell you...

Nessus, I'm trying to bait Libby on some other thread - I hope she loses it and starts ad homming me ad nauseum!

J

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 01:50pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#447 of 520)

I'll take libby and offer 10:1 odds.

Nessus

[Jared7] - 01:57pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#448 of 520)

No bites yet - not even a nibble. Oh well - I tried!

J

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 02:00pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#449 of 520)

LOLOLOL! I don't even know which thread you're baiting me on! That's actually my secret...I'm lost half the time. *G*


[Jared7] - 02:04pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#450 of 520)

It was on the "same mistake" thread - I was pathetically attempting to bait you into coming out in favour of repealing various statutes in your new-found
libertarian mode. Plainbill has now buried my post, perhaps wisely!

Which brings me to another memory of this place - this format reeks! I much preferred the old Wabbitt format. In my humble opinion, it was the format change
more than anything else that hurt this board ...

J

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:14pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#451 of 520)

Libby, you are another soul here I will deeply miss. I hope we meet on another board.

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 02:14pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#452 of 520)

Jared: Yeah, it's really an "ez" board, I can tell you...

If you're speaking of Sherrie's board, I'm having the same problem. So far, no joy.

I tried MsRobbie, MizRobbie, MzRobbie, and Robbie, and nothing worked. Finally it claimed I'd made it with MzRobbie, but Sherrie (as site administrator) has not
yet received my application (it's been about 12 hours now) so I haven't been approved. I suspect I'm not going to get there.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:14pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#453 of 520)

I love this board format.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 02:15pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#454 of 520)

MsRobbie,

Your're another one I will miss.

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 02:19pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#455 of 520)

Thanks, Alix. I'm going to miss you, too.

[firecracker!] - 02:28pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#456 of 520)

Alix, I agree - this board format is pretty good. Both the Refugee board and Sherrie's site will take a little getting used to.

Have you tried the USA Today Politics board?

MsR. I had trouble logging on to the Refugee board, but not Sherrie's.

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 02:33pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#457 of 520)

Firecracker, who's on the Refugee board?

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 02:51pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#458 of 520)

All my "Fauforde" names were taken at the Refugee Board, but not at Sherrie's. So I'm "Forde" there.

I had plenty of trouble at the Refugee Boards, whet Jared is saying happened to me, too.

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 03:00pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#459 of 520)

Again, I'm not sure which board is the Refugee board. Is that the one where the more right-leaning posters have gone, and that has admitted Bill Russell?

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:05pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#460 of 520)

MsR:

It's not all right leaning.

I'm over there occassionally, for example.

Just be patient on SHerrie's thread. It took a while fo rme get logged on, too.

Nessus

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 03:08pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#461 of 520)

Really, Nessus? How long did it take, do you recall?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 03:09pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#462 of 520)

Firecracker,

I've tried the USA Today board, but it isn't blowing my skirt up.

I post a lot on Salon, and I bounce around the NY Times and others.

I think I will take this extra time and start working in earnest again. (As opposed to my standard swivel-chair routine.)

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 03:12pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#463 of 520)

Yeah, that was a very cool memory, Snow Pea!

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 03:49pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#464 of 520)

This was perhaps my favorite exchange of all time:

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 12:09pm Apr 22, 1999 EST A True Blonde Moment: This is absolutely true. Not five minutes ago, I received the following email from
our office receptionist: "Please be aware due to system resource problem I am not receiving and or being able to send all emails." Couldn't you just die?

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:20pm Apr 22, 1999 EST ROFL-----She MUST be kidding, Peter. Please tell me she IS????

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 12:27pm Apr 22, 1999 EST Sorry Susan, I think she means it. When I returned her email with: "Hee-hee! So why did you send us this
message via email? LOL!;^)" She emailed me back: "Its like a test - no I closed down to refresh my resources so this would actually work." Scary, eh?

Susan [sjscruby] - 12:38pm Apr 22, 1999 EST ROFL....another one of those things you could never write in a story because nobody could possibly believe it's true.
*gggg*

[DaveGin] - 12:50pm Apr 22, 1999 EST Peter...once I was sent to cover a hurricane headed for the Texas coast. An editor in far-away Dallas called every few
minutes with "updates" on how I should prepare. Since I had only covered four or five hurricanes at that time, I got a little impatient with suggestions to buy
bottled water and extra batteries. Been there; done that. But then he said, ``And another thing: you better find someone with a fax so you can still send a story if
the phone lines get knocked out." He had trouble understanding my 10 minutes of hysterical laughter. DaveGin

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 12:56pm Apr 22, 1999 EST Yup, little things like this brighten an otherwise very cloudy day!;^)

Ray: Teddy Kennedy has killed more people than my firearms have. [wardaddy] - 12:57pm Apr 22, 1999 EST Uh, Dave, does he post on these boards?

Peter Cammann [streamline] - 01:00pm Apr 22, 1999 EST Probably not Ray. Although, if the lines go down and he isn't able to fax, he can always use email!;^)

Susan [sjscruby] - 01:07pm Apr 22, 1999 EST LOLOL

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 04:15pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#465 of 520)

Which brings me to another memory of this place - this format reeks! (Jared)

I have finally gotten used to it, but oh boy did I hate it in the beginning. I was one of many who traveled over to TPS in protest. I've since gotten used to it, and
tried the old format on other boards. I don't like the wabbit system now. Too cumbersome.

Alix...I'm going to miss you too. I have signed up in three new places...Davka's is one of them. There are quite a few liberals there. And lots of Libertarians. :) If
Russell is there, I'm totally unaware of it. Haven't seen anyone making trouble. It's been pretty nice.


Those votes were not illegal, they were invalid! [plainbill] - 04:33pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#466 of 520)

Anyone who has not signed up at http://pub53.ezboard.com/bnottol or has tried and had problems with screen names should read the log in thread first.

There are some quirks, some of them seem to relate to whether you attempt a "global" log in, this place is host to a lot of individual boards, or "local" log in which
is just to Timeless.com. Most who have tried it at local have gotten the requested name, it just doesn't show up right away.

Nobody knows if Russell is there or not. If he is, he is using a different name. So far, that is a very well mannered place.

No wussy ad homs ... I just scream and leap! [speaker_to_animals] - 04:52pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#467 of 520)

Wait until I get there: http://www.spaceports.com/~kzinti/images/mkw3-back-298x221.gif

[Duffy] - 06:16pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#468 of 520)

Nessus, I'm trying to bait Libby on some other thread - I hope she loses it and starts ad homming me ad nauseum!

LOLOL

I've always wanted to hear her say "F*ck off!" Just once. That's all.

LOL, just teasin ya Libby. :-)

Susan [sjscruby] - 08:20pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#469 of 520)

LOL, Peter...I had completely forgotten about that---nearly spit my tea on the monitor again when I read it.

plainbill is right...the key to getting on the ezboards site is to sign up thru the LOCAL log in area! I tried the global, and still don't have any response, but got
almost immediate approval with Local.

There's fever in the funkhouse now [ex-glencarr] - 08:42pm Mar 27, 2001 EST (#470 of 520)

I just signed up in the global sign-in area & had no problems. It'll be fun seeing people over there!

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 12:44am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#471 of 520)

plainbill: You're welcome. My consulting fees are..... You'll like Mac OS X when you get it.

My wife noticed that when you put the sounds of OS X together it sounds like Oh....

Q, re: "Mac OS X. Finally, someone does unix RIGHT..."

I should be receiving my copy tomorrow -- if FedEx doesn't mess it up again!

Sorry, Jared, for taking the thread off topic again! You know how easily I get side- tracked! :)

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:00am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#472 of 520)

Libby, "Dance as if no one were watching"... could get you in trouble in public!

[Jared7] - 01:01am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#473 of 520)

No problema Ditto - I approve of any and all (flame-free) methods of bumping this thread unless of course someone wishes to flame me, which I approve
wholeheartedly! Like that Libby, for example - I dare her, indeed double dare her - to flame me!

J

Precision Targeted "Fairness" Isn't Fair! [Dittophile] - 01:03am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#474 of 520)

Libby doesn't have it in her.

She's CHICKEN!

Dance as if no one were watching [~Libby~] - 03:51am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#475 of 520)

Alright! That does it! No one gets away with calling me CHICKEN.

Jared...you're a...you're a...dang LAWYER!

That was an insult, wasn't it? *G*

Help Stop Pollution. Don't Exhale. [bacchus13] - 05:35am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#476 of 520)

Jared7 3/27/01 1:16pm,

You never let it show, Jared...

Those were good times.

I've never come to the boards thinking to change another's opinion, and I've not expected to have my own changed. But the value of a good debate is that one is
forced to understand why one holds a certain opinion. In defending your view, you grow a base thought into an opinion (IMO...lol).

When you and I walked away from that debate, I don't think either of us was very far from where we started- except I know I certainly knew a lot more about it
than when we began....

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 08:31am Mar 28, 2001 EST (#477 of 520)

Here's a favorite Blue LIme post of mine, that I am glad I saved...it may be a little obscure, but it's a classic Blue Lime "summation" of someone else's faulty logic.

Sheeeesh... this thread's been active the last couple of days. Miss a day and it'll take ya forever to catch up.

I've been reading Tortdog, and I think I'm starting to get a few principles of his definiton of "Natural Law" down according to what he's written:

Natural Law is Natural Law because it's the law we derive from countless years of observation, but Natural Law is also Natural Law because of what was written
down as God's words in the Bible many years ago.

Natural Law can sometimes change, except when it cannot, usually dependent on what was written down in the Bible, though sometimes it contradicts what's in
the Bible, except that it doesn't.

Slavery, for instance, is both against Natural Law and part of Natural Law. In early America, it was most definitely against Natural Law, but in Biblical times, it
wasn't against Natural Law, because, in the Bible, God said it was okay, but not mandatory.

Homosexuality is most definitely against Natural Law, beacause, as everyone knows, the majority of people aren't homosexuals and don't like sodomy, except that
Natural Law is not based on majority decisions, but on Natural Law,itself, i.e., the Word of God as translated in the KJV version of the Bible.

Natural Law is based on the Bible, but not all of the Bible, except that it is based on all the Bible. Natural Law just likes some of the Bible a lot more than it likes
other parts of the Bible, just like God.

For instance, Natural Law loves Leviticus 18. Sometimes Natural Law invites Lev. 18 over for cocktails and a game of "Scattergories," or the two go for a drive in
the Countryside, listening to Anne Murray records on the 8-track and bantering merrily back-and-forth about railroads and tennis. Natural Law isn't quite as
fond, though, of Lev. 25, whom it treats as a shabby, pock-marked relative in desperate need of a shower, hiding behind the overstuffed chair when Lev. 25
drops by, or remembering a sudden appointment in Upper Nebraska. Ask Natural Law about Lev. 25, and Natural Law says: "Leviticus who? ...no, I'm sorry,
doesn't ring a bell..." When one then pulls out a photograph showing Natural Law grinning wildly with his arms around Lev. 25 at the International House of
Pancakes' Fiesta Night, Natural Law exclaims hurriedly, "Oh...you mean Leviticus 25... I thought you said 'Rupert.'"

We all know deep down what Natural Law is, except some know what Natural Law is more than others, particularly those who have spent years of observations
in nature looking for Natural Law, observing the natural movement and habitats of Natural Law in things like the KJV version of the Bible, the red-letter
edition of the KJV version of the Bible, the Bible Comics version of the KJV version of the Bible, the liner notes to the Book-On-Tape version of the KJV version
of the Bible, as read by Charlton Heston, and a pair of perfectly heterosexual bonobos, living, as their Creator intended, in a small suburb in Indiana.

Susan [sjscruby] - 03:05pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#478 of 520)

LOL, Fauforde---thanx for posting that. ;)

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 03:18pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#479 of 520)

I'll miss both of you guys, BTW.

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.... [Nessus2] - 03:37pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#480 of 520)

I remember that post!!

It's a classic.

Sometimes Natural Law invites Lev. 18 over for cocktails and a game of "Scattergories,"

LMAO!!!

Nessus

[Jared7] - 04:01pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#481 of 520)

That Blue Lime classic is perhaps the best I have ever read on this forum! Thanks fauforde! I think we can all glean the true definition of Natural Law now!
Evidently, I was absent when that was posted - this makes my day!

Uh, Libby, that is clearly the worst ad hom I have seen on this forum - you should be ashamed of yourself and banned for life and I'm going to whine and whine
and whine about Dave's refusal to delete that within seconds after you posted it for the remainder of my days. In fact, I just printed it and will keep it with me
always and you will have to pry it from my cold dead dying fingers!

Um, seriously, does anyone have a way of keeping in touch with Blue Lime or treetop or Thear or Locutuss?

J

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 04:36pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#482 of 520)

I don't know ANY of their email addresses, and I can't find Tree anywhere.....he's been hanging out a lot on the Time 100 boards, but he hasn't been seen over
there in awhile.

I honestly don't know if he even knows the boards are closing.

I hope someone can find him.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 04:43pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#483 of 520)

Actually, I'd go over to the 100 boards right now to see if he's been around, but this place is taking for FREAKING-ever to load.

[TreeTop] - 04:57pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#484 of 520)

I've been on vacation and just returned today.* Thank you for missing me. I can be reached at treeeetop@aol.com.

* My boyfriend and I went on a fabulous cruise which left from Galveston, visited Cozumel, Playa del Carmen, and two ports in Honduras: Puerto
Cortes and Roatan. We got to visit the amazing ruins of the Mayan capital, Copan in the highlands of Honduras. In all the ports, there were
beautiful beaches and friendly people. And on board, there was great food, good conversation, and fabulous entertainment.



[Jared7] - 05:04pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#485 of 520)

Treetop!!!!!! Great to see you!! Please ignore all my other slimy insults of you earlier on this thread (*JBoy hurriedly attempting to edit posts from days ago*). In
particular, please ignore the one where I said you and linguist were avoiding my thread with malice aforethought:-) And, if you happen not to notice that,
please add an addendum wherein you could state that you had not seen it prio to responding:-). Please also post any fave memories of this place before it dies an
awful death.

I am also extremely jealous of your recent vacation! You have such a great life and mine really bites ...

J

[TreeTop] - 05:26pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#486 of 520)

[The following was posted before I noticed Jared's instructions to ignore his earlier posts.]

Jared7 said:

treetop and linguist are DELIBERATELY AND WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT boycotting my thread out of pure spite!

I've been enjoying two weeks in the Caribbean, so all of my malice has melted away. And if Linguist has a malicious bone in his body, he never demonstrated it
here.

[TreeTop] - 05:35pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#487 of 520)

Jared says:

I think I've already identified treetop's Umberto Eco post on paranoia as my all-time fave (which was immediately deleted by Dave):-).

Why thank you, Jared. J

I made that post when I was brand new here, when (in my wide-eyed innocence) I was surprised by the likes of Babette9 and Conrad_too. It was quickly deleted
by Marcus Bales, with an admonition that insults, no matter how literary and oblique, were not appropriate at this site. Standards for insulting posts were,
needless-to-say, greatly loosened once Marcus left.

[Jared7] - 05:40pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#488 of 520)

Treetop, don't you just love this editing function!!:-) Verily, verily, I say unto thee that I am only joking and have been trying out very lame attempts at humor
in an effort to get my favorite posters (i.e., you) to come over and say hi! If you really search hard, you will also see quite a few, uh, compliments of you
throughout the various memory threads. What I said particuarly about you was that it was your Umberto Eco post on paranoia that was my all-time fave and that
you have always had the ability to say what I say in short pithy posts where it takes me about 5-6 War and Peace-like tome- like paragraphs to even attempt to
come close to making your point! (Uh, there was some other stuff too ...)

It is fantastic that you had a great time in Texas (and I suppose the Caribbean as well)!! Have you heard the news about the Presbys - that horrific proposal to ban
same sex unions is going down in flames!!@!!!!!

J

p.s. I just tried your listed e-mail and it didn't work. I'm like way too chicken to post mine...

Susan--ICQ 5296654 (or see email in profile) [sjscruby] - 06:00pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#489 of 520)

TreeTop...sounds like you had a GREAT vacation. ;)

Jared---I have to say.....HURRAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TreeTop] - 06:10pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#490 of 520)

Jared says:

I just tried your listed e-mail and it didn't work.

That's because I posted it wrong. Thanks for trying it and pointing out my mistake. It should have been treeeetop@yahoo.com. J

I've done a search on my name and have been touched by all the nice things people have said.

Breaking up is hard to do [FAUFORDE] - 07:35pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#491 of 520)

You're back just in time, Treetop! Or did you know about the End before you left?

There's some other boards starting up, if you are interested.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke [smartalix] - 07:42pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#492 of 520)

I'm going to miss you guys.

[Jared7] - 11:59pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#493 of 520)

And we're going to miss you too smartalix!

J

[Jared7] - 12:33am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#494 of 520)

Uh, for those interested in human rights for gays and lesbians, please see streamline's last "gay" thread for the thrilling action taken by the Illinois House of
Representatives yesterday.

J

Where is Blue Lime??*

I'd love to stay but I have to annoy someone else. [MsRobbie] - 12:45am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#495 of 520)

TreeTop! Glad you made it back!

I was on a cruise in the Caribbean about a year ago and fell in love with Curacao. What place(s) did you like best?

[_Liz__] - 03:51am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#496 of 520)

but maybe we who have the utter gall to challenge Dave and his online friends (who commit quasi-criminal acts) will be given a pass. I doubt it,
but let’s see. <

As long as we behave and keep our little mouths shut ; )

I don't want to focus on how badly this place deteriorated of late. Think about what was best about it, when it was really good and the fun you had here. Ignore
the rest.

[_Liz__] - 03:55am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#497 of 520)

Duffy. LET HIM BE??? Of course. He can call me a quasi criminal, but hey, lets give amiss, eh? You are a piece of work Duff<

He's right, and yes, she is : ) But let's not let that stop us from having a good time now, eh? : )

[_Liz__] - 03:59am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#498 of 520)

Oh my god, RiteCon...glen, speaking of threads that had people up in arms, do you remember the one where I asked if women had the right to want more in their
lives than their children, and the way RC *freaked out about the very notion that a woman's children weren't enough to satisfy her?

I had forgotten that one...I wonder if that one's archived or on hard copy now.

[_Liz__] - 04:05am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#499 of 520)

I first met Liz on a cigarette thread. We had quite a row, and ended up agreeing to always disagree. It hasn't been easy, but I think we've managed
pretty well, eh Liz? LOL! <

I saw your name and I *know my face lit up!

You are one of the people I meant when I said 'my favorites are the ones I intially thought were assholes and then learned to respect'. How *have you been,
bacchus?

Help Stop Pollution. Don't Exhale. [bacchus13] - 05:23am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#500 of 520)

Doing fine, Liz...

A bit sad to see this place go. I've been trying Salon's Table Talk (I remember someone once saying Dr. Planarian/ Ferguson Foont posted there), but it's like
cavorting with strangers.

I trust all is well with you?

[_Liz__] - 09:41am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#501 of 520)

All is well with me : )

I used to post alot at Salon, till the Clinton thing, and I just lost steam. I post there infrequently now. I spend more time at CServe's Dem forum on the internet. I
know most of the faces from years ago, and none of the crap that goes on here goes on there. It's run *very well by an old friend and people with only a few
idiots *g*

Yes, I'm trying to recruit you. It's hard though for people to start all over with new faces. You want to go where everybody knows your name, sigh.

Help Stop Pollution. Don't Exhale. [bacchus13] - 04:39pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#502 of 520)

I'll look it up....thanks...

[Jared7] - 05:15pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#503 of 520)

Okay guys - less than a day left! Last chance for those great memories before this place dies! I will note that this thread now has 501 more posts than my Banking
Law Reform thread did!

JBoy (*wearing 501 jeans in honor thereof*)

"When we seek to discover the best in others, we somehow bring out the best in ourselves." -William Arthur Ward [Duffy] - 05:24pm Mar 29,
2001 EST (#504 of 520)

Hi Liz :-)

[SusieQueue] - 05:26pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#505 of 520)

You look mighty fine in those jeans, Jared. *G*

Susan--ICQ 5296654 (or see email in profile) [sjscruby] - 06:15pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#506 of 520)

What Susie said. *gg*

[_Liz__] - 07:18pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#507 of 520)

Hi Duff...Hi SusieQueue! Ltns. How you been?

[Jared7] - 10:34pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#508 of 520)

Okay guys! One last bump (at least)! We should all thank Time and Dave for providing us a great home for so many years! I shall now state that when I was a
youngster, I read Time religiously, but then I became convinced it was written for those with a 6th grade education and stopped reading. Then, along came these
boards and I changed my mind. Now, I'll probably revert back to my old feeling about Time ... so sad ...

J

Those votes were not illegal, they were invalid! [plainbill] - 10:50pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#509 of 520)

bacchus, if you haven't tried it yet, I suggest http://pub53.ezboard.com/bnottol.

It's up to 181 members now and political topics are beginning to show up and be discussed. That replaces the initial waving of arms, taking deep breaths of
freedom and so on. I think that's gonna be the place and I hope to see you there.

[whatsupchuck] - 11:16pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#510 of 520)

Memories, huh? Great memories...

First posts I made here was on an evolution thread. Some guy (don't remember who... not a regular) ripped me a new one immediately with a series of flames like
I never expected. I hung in there long enough to watch Ol' Perf take the guy apart like a stack of children's blocks.

I remember battling the bigots on the gay bashing threads. Liz was wonderfully wicked on those threads, and a lot of fun to watch (as long as you were on her
side)!

I remember flirting with just about anything in a skirt in the RR. Rarely with any success... *G*G*G*

I remember the MIR thread, where I first discovered that reasonable debate can actually be accomplished here.

I remember being one of the first to log in here after the software change, and finding the site response time comically slow. Took 'em a few days to get the
place to work at all.

Well, maybe that one wasn't a GREAT memory... I must be running out. lol...

[_Liz__] - 11:23pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#511 of 520)

It's still true that I am wicked, Chuck. No matter what side you're on ; )

The gay bashing threads...I have the gay boy scout leader one, parts of it, and I'm still astonished at some of the weird crap which left some of these keyboards
with regard to gays.

Someone mentioned earlier the Gay Recruitment threads...do you remember those? *g*

[_Liz__] - 11:24pm Mar 29, 2001 EST (#512 of 520)

The HTML help threads...

Help Stop Pollution. Don't Exhale. [bacchus13] - 06:10am Mar 30, 2001 EST (#513 of 520)

plainbill 3/29/01 10:50pm,

I'm signed on, bill. I haven't had as much time to post to participate much....what I have had I've been spending here (mostly) wading through the nostalgia....

[Jared7] - 02:23pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#514 of 520)

Once again, this is Bob "Jared" Hope singing "Thanks for the Memories" to all the great people who have taken a little time out of their busy lives to share a few
memories of this place!! I hereby retract each and every nasty thing I *may* have said in my efforts to get y'all to post here - I hope that *most* realize that I
didn't really mean any of them (well, except for ...).

I haven't been able to decide which great Gospel (er, non-Pauline) song to sing in the background as this place fades into the netherworld and GW has already
stolen:-) (on another thread) "Nearer my God to Thee", so I guess I will *end* with, uh, Sam Rayburn's favorite, which was "Rock of Ages, cleft for me, let me
find my hope in thee ..."

J

Oh, and Blue Lime Rules!!!!

More than a dessert topping; it's a floor wax too! [steveny1] - 03:08pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#515 of 520)

Awww I missed this thread by that much

Susan--ICQ 5296654 (or see email in profile) [sjscruby] - 03:12pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#516 of 520)

Not too late, Steve...there is still time to "remember." ;)

More than a dessert topping; it's a floor wax too! [steveny1] - 03:14pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#517 of 520)

Locutey
The time I told the entire board jared's real name
I dunno - its been a long time since I posted here frequently

[Jared7] - 03:20pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#518 of 520)

Well, I guess we'll fade into the background with Carole King singing "These are the days that we remember" (seeing that steveny - whose real name is [Dave's
last deletion] just buried my Gospel reference).

J

p.s. I like treetop's below so much that I hope it is the last post ever (now I'm crying tree!)

treeeetop@yahoo.com [TreeTop] - 03:23pm Mar 30, 2001 EST (#519 of 520)

Time it was,
And what a time it was.
It was
A time of innocence
, A time of confidences.