Isaiah is my favorite memory as he got me into Paulinism and anti-Paulines, but that's probably way too obscure for most of you
now.
Actually, my favorite memory is getting to know so many brave gays and lesbians out there who are not afraid to express views
behind an annonymous nickname:-)
Uh, there's always TPS - that moribund site!
Non-sequiter alert! Man, I love skiing!!
Go Hoyas!! Beat Maryland!!
J

It's about "TIME" and probably AOL more than "TIME".
I would love to have been in that Executive Meeting to learn what the real reasons were.

Yeah, maybe if we "Star Trek" them with lots of e-mails, they'll relent or perhaps publish their reasons, but I doubt it. Any favorite
memories??
Another one of mine is when Thear taught me how to use colors - yeah, like it worked!
J

Uh, one of my least favorite memories is of each and every thread that I started, they ALL sink to the bottom in a matter of seconds.
Banking law reform?? Anybody remember that one?? I doubt it! Only if I start ranting about how unfair life is for gays and lesbians
do I get any attention (although bacchus is always good for a great debate on just about anything and everything!)
J

Gosh, I had almost forgotten about Thearacon. He did those marvelous html posts in LIVING color. lol
Jared, I remember your encounters with Dittophile very well. What fun, eh? *G* I am still in touch with him and will have to let him
know the boards are closing. This is really sad.
I have favorite memories all over the place, but I suppose my ultimate favorites were from the race threads, and the many
wonderful people who spent so much time there (as I did) discussing and cussing. :) I will never forget the passion, but most of all
the education I got on those threads.

Hi Libby! Yeah, Ditto and I had a real intimate little thang going there for awhile. He's so cool! I loved it when he put me down in post
after post after post, never yielding an inch!! Uh, I stayed off the race threads after Shah read me the riot act one day. I remember
your best posts were on the abortion threads with all sorts of posters who now seem long gone (but are probably still here just with
different nicks).
Sorry if my crush on Thear sounds like sort of a never-ending obsession.
But Blue Lime Rules!
J

Ya might wanna check out the latimes discussions if ya wanna meet some really incorrigible nutwads.

Another fave is Ol Perf's trillion+ goodbyes, which were always eloquent and well-stated.
And Jollyollie, who I think remains extremely pissed at me for supporting the heroic and life-saving effort in the Balkans!!
And Steveny - what a funny guy!
And SusieQ, who always starts me humming CCR.
J (*desperately striving for this thread not to sink dramatically and precipitously to the bottom of the ashcan of history*)

And who can forget Wardaddy, who was the very first to welcome me here and who's last communication to me was to call me a liar!
And Jim Stirckland, who I suppose is off in Arabia somewhere and who totally ruined my Deep Throat threads with all that Linda
Lovelace talk ...
JBoy (*about to give up on this whole memory thang and launch into the Anti-Jared Freeper that I truly am*)

I think we have about three or four "memories" threads going on, Jared. Don't know if they'll all stay up or not. We only have two
short weeks before it's all gone. :(
Shah...my precious level headed Shah, read you the riot act?? LOL I must have missed that...or forgotten about it. There were soooo
many race threads. Same with the gay threads, which I also spent some time on. All you guys were marvelous...very good with your
arguments. Always a pleasure to read.

Well, I took the other threads to be bitching and whining threads whereas this one could be the memory thread. As usual, I am being
ignored, but that goes with the territory:-)
Yeah, I said something mild about liking Hootie and the Blowfish and that pretty much stamped this anti-apartheid activist (i.e., me)
as a racist forever. Go figure.
And speaking of the gay threads, there was nobody like Hambone:-)!!!!!
J

And of course, my vote for fave nickname of all time goes to Locutuss of Borg!
J (*yeah, like anybody other than me is ever going to post on this thread*) Thanks Libby!

LOL! I'm sorry, Jared! I LOVE the title! Love Barbra Streisand and that song! *G*
I remember Locutuss! Gosh, many have come and gone....and my "memory" is not what it used to be. *sigh*

Yes I remember Locutuss as well. He was a good guy.
Jared you remember the fellow who called himself the Devil's Advocate?

Anyone recall Marfark? ...truly one of the odder posters.
Also, one of my favorite exchanges was between Babette and Panama Hank on a Chicom "takeover" of the Pananam Canal.

Locutuss was a riot but nobody compares to johnnyba, who set the standard in wit, intelligence, analytical acumen, good looks,
friendship, collegiality and all-round great-guyhood.
Yes, I remember the Devil, who served his master so very well!
J
There's just something about the way you look tonight - it takes my breath away* *JBoy having an Elton John moment*

Oh, so THIS is your thread, Jared!
the Mighty Thearchon,
Yes! He was quite a regular, than one day, he's gone. There's so many like that. Recently TSean was posting regualr, then he
suddenly left. It leaves you feeling kinda empty...
Fauforde and his refusal ever to look me up in Chitown,
Aw, heck. I actually haven't been for about a year. Tell you what, I am planning to come in a month or so. THEN we will get together.

Hiya fauforde2! Yeah right, and the checks in the mail and I won't come ... (*JBoy desperately scheduling a trip to Thailand next
month*)
The Babster!! I love her!! She and I agreed on cigarettes and little else.
The SeanMan! Way too McCainesque for me, but otherwise too cool!
J

Too show you how long I've been here, check out this poem I wrote to some Pathfinder regulars in July of 96. Before Clinton defeated
Dole.
Though it s like arguing with Stone.....I must pick a Bone....With a Texan named Tony
He s a Texas Cornpone....Of whom it is Known....That he luvs Guns and fat Macaroni
He ll go into Town.... And vote for H. Browne.....Who s ideas are loony and Phony
Now he luvs all his guns...Cuz nary a One...Is made by a firm named of Sony
His best fiend is Mel...Who gives so much Hell....To Liberals and all of their Ilk
But Dole s polls are all down....So Mel puts on a Frown....And cries all over Spilt Milk
If he d quit Teasing Lee...Then surely He d See.....That Clinton is smoother than Silk
The scandals they Rage.... But with the Minimum Wage...The Republicans Money he Bilks
Now poor dear old Lee....Can t see Forest for Tree....Cuz she s much too Proper and Staid
But surely she d Know....Her mind it would Grow....If only She d try getting Laid
For Bill Clinton it s worked...He s not such a Jerk...And a wonderful President he s Made
Now DittoPhile is Amazed...For Sowell he is Crazed...That people don t think he s too Smart
If only his words would make Sense...He wouldn t seem Dense....And maybe we d look at his Charts
Now I ve had too much Drink....I can t hardly Think....And hope I haven t been Mean
But to the Big and the Small....From Student Of It All....I m stuck in a nightmarish Dream
That Clinton will Stumble...The ball he will Fumble....And Dole will become the new King
Now I know he s too Old.....His character he s Sold ....And he d screw up a really good Thing
So beware the Smug Look....Work Hard, Hook and Crook....And Clinton s Praise you must Sing
And at the end of the Year....We Surely will Hear.....That Bill Clinton has captured the Ring.

(*JBoy desperately scheduling a trip to Thailand next month*)
Thant's gonna be tough coming all the way back just to go to a Cubbies game with me, isn't it?

Great Poem Primo! I came (er, arrived) soon thereafter, but I remember just about all of those mentioned.
The graceless Cubbies, huh?? I'm not sure if I can walk that far (about a block and a half). I've got it - I'll go skiing again (*JBoy
recovering from monstrous tear of ACL or something like that which his nephews call "old man's knee*)
J

There was no one like Hambone.

Jared,
I'm always tickled when I can serve as the impetus to get someone to listen to CCR. *G*
This seems like as good a time as any to let you know the Christmas card I sent you was returned -- "Addressee moved, no forwarding
address." I figured I'd never track you down, since the e-mail address I have for you doesn't seem current, either. Anyway, shoot me
a note at msqueue@hotmail.com, OK? I have some news that might interest you....
The ORIGINAL SusieQueue

*******sigh***********

Well thanks Jared. :) You're not so bad yourself.
Now where the heck is Snow Pea? He seemed to disappear a while back.
Dave I'm still hedging on weather or not Hambone was even really like Hambone. It almost seemed like a charecter somebody really
bored came up with.
Or maybe he's the guy that does the Fred Phelps web page.

Dave,

There was no one like Hambone.
Mel gave him a pretty good run for the money, though! lol!

Susie!! The blond bombshell!! Uh, the address remains correct - I was away for over 6 weeks and our wonderful post office decided
that I had moved. Got a lot of grief from the family who wasn't exactly aware of the situation, but that's another story. Delivery seems
okay now, but I'll e-mail you anyway.
J

Jared,
Send me the mailing address, then, too. I've cleaned out my computerized mailing list since the holidays. *G*

Hey, who do I have to kill to get a drink around here?
No, Johnny, Hammie was real. I have the email to prove it.

.*pouring Dave a drink*
Chugalug, Dave!

I think most can agree, real or not, that Hambone was peerless.
J
Blue Lime Continues to Rule!

anyone recall last summers invasion of the skull-eating Esmes?
And then there was the poster Tresor. That name sounded familiar, then I found out it meant "vault" in German.
Or how about the Julia Butterfly Tree-sitter thread? I think this board was where I first heard about her, and then later in the real
news...Ferret Mike/Hobbb always ran a neat thread.
And Sherrie G seeing that Alaska Airlines plane crash into the Pacific...wow...she was there on the coast when it crashed! And
McDuffy turning me on to that documentary on the troubles in Sierra Leone.

SusieQueue
You and Libby were the calmest and most sincere of the many gifted posters here but there are many good people on here.
Dave
I would like to buy you a drink Dave to thank you for not kicking me off the boards even though we both know I deserved it many
times over. I tried to develop a little class but when you start out with a rock it's hard to get it to shine & LOL

I would like to buy you a drink Dave to thank you for not kicking me off the boards even though we both know I deserved it many
times over.
Me too. Though he did kick off a few of my other aliases. Usually with reason. I can think of 3 off hand. Wonder if he knew it was
me?

My first thread on the board was 'Bravo Ellen' when Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet. There was a guy who was GROSSLY
obnoxious named Oscar who made my blood boil with his dingbatty ideas about homosexuality....but he and I came to like and respect
each other. I miss him...he went to Saudi years ago and had no access.
There were the wood chisel threads. Paradise Cafe, the Rumpus Rooms. Playing with Tony in the race threads...and Muehlbauer.
Where did he go?
Cooter.

Oh, geez, DaveGin, you laconic Texan.
Now I can tell you......
You really were pretty fair as a moderator.
I just like to bitch........

Jared, Jim Strickland is the guy I am talking about, who was 'Oscar' when I first came here.

Liz....Liz....Liz......
You had a genius for pissing off certain ladies around here.
It was great fun to watch your cat-fights.
GOPers define Count the way Clinton defines Sex [ElPrimo] - 08:38pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#41 of 417)
I just like to bitch........
Such an opening and yet I've promised to be nice... sigh...

Well, it was interesting anyway, GW ; )

"it was great fun to watch your cat-fights."
uh, I don't know...I recall getting caught up in a "ladys thread" where OJ said he was leaving and I took it to mean leaving the board
altogether....it was a particularly strange thread that even got DaveGin involved.

[SusieQueue] - 08:31pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#36 of 39)
Thank you, Trevor. I'll never forget the night I really first "encountered" you, over at TPS on the space thread... talking about full
moons. *G*

We will be posting again SusieQ and yes I remember TPS. I left here for a year and posted over there with some great people like you
and MSRobbie and even old Mel & LOL
I still gaze at the stars and wonder just why are we even here, and does anything we do or say really matter &

All right....since there is little chance of me becoming re-addicted between today and tomorrow, when I go on an extended business
trip that will carry me past the drop-dead date for PF, I figured I would contribute something to Jared's memory thread...
.....DESPITE the rather "praising with faint damns" catty comment about my million goodbyes!!
*pfffftttttt*
*wink*
I stepped into this brouhaha in '96, about the time of the national political conventions.
The folks I remember most pleasantly from that time were Kadien, Sherrie, GreenHag, Isis, Yancey, GW, Jollyollie, Nocable, Radmod,
Wilycat, Bricklayer, Armyman, alwright, Duh and Sundance. Looking at that list now, I see how few have persisted to the end of the
road here.
I remember the night that Bob Dole fell off the stage during his campaign, and the hilarious thread Kadien started mimicking him
as a song-and-dance-man, only to have a lot of small minded and humourless individuals snipe incessantly about that. Gee, if only
they could have forseen the four years of guttersnipe character assassination that were going to show up AFTER the election!!!
I remember the Dinner Party from All History, with Sundance as the quintessential mime.
I remember the Roy Rogers/Dale Evans send up in the Republican Rumpus Room, and the "Panama Hank for President" campaign.
I remember the New Years Eve party at which Duh seduced The Incredible Me! live on line, only to discover that he was an underage
high school boy..*G*G*G*
I remember Roger Gay, who blamed the entire world's problems on the stupidity of women and the bad treatment men got from
heartless ex-wives after divorce...LOL...and how he raised the hackles of the Gutter Grrllls. *G*
That was before we blamed everything bad on Bill Clinton, of course. *wink*...continuing retroactively now and into the far, far
future. No need for any active pursuit of the real causes of problems, hey??
I remember serious and interesting discussions on science, including the Space Program, with Dr. Planarian, Whatsupchuck and
SusieQueue....
I remember Cybeeria, over on the old Introduce Yourself board, where Tom's Single Malt Shoppe also persisted in a little pool of calm
gentility, for the most part at least....
I remember Crethar's poetry threads...
I remember lots more....and perhaps I will get back here once more before the deep, dark, night closes around PF.
But if not...I hope each and every one of the participants here finds somewhere on the net, the outlet for political expression their
talents best fit...*G*

La Lil,
And McDuffy turning me on to that documentary on the troubles in Sierra Leone.
No problem :-) Thanks for listening and being respectful about it. There was a lot of brutality in that country. They are real people
with real faces. You seemed to be able to grasp that very well unlike others that ridiculed my grandmother's brutal death at the
hands of the rebels. You also gave a link (that I saved) about a company that used to be in Dayton (that had close ties to SL). Sierra
Rutile, I believe. I know Sierra Leone has a wealth of (badly managed) diamonds, but I didn't know about the other main natural
resource. I wish you and your SO well. :-)

OH GOD YES... Ol Perf... shades of the past ghosts, I do remember a bunch now... I m going to be drinking tonight....

Catty??!!! It was meant to be downright insulting!!:-) Great to see you again perfmeister! E-Mail Susie please so she can e-mail me
about that thang (but not the second thang - if you've ever seen Analyze This, it's supposed to be a joke).
Dang!! Lady Techsters are whipping the Lady Frogs!
J

Dang!! Lady Techsters are whipping the Lady Frogs!
Hope they aren't playing somewhere in the South: I think that sort of behavior is illegal in six states. LOL
Jared...didn't your OTHER Frogs get fricasseed by the big bad Rainbow Warriors with all those unpronouceable names? *coughing
discreetly* Slavic names, not Hawaiian ones...LOL
I will email you toady.....errr...TODAY...
Must have your Frogs on my mind...*wink*

I remember the Dinner Party from All History, with Sundance as the quintessential mime.

Hmmmmmmmm, tell more lol
I'll have to ask him about that. I'm sure he'll come on and read it this week. He's one of the sexiest men I've ever met and I am so glad
that I got the chance to flirt with him like crazy. LOL I had to get that in.
He's a good friend and he stood by me through a lot of 'stuff'. I'm glad that we got the chance to get to know each other. I hope we
will be friends for a lifetime. Same with Libby and Kariann. They are part of my family and I love them all dearly.

Oh, geez.....
Ol' Perf. How the hell are you?
And you mentioned Dr. Planarian (the flatworm). Remember him?
A formidable foe for my razor-sharp Republican wit...........

Not the Rainbow Warriors or is it just the football team that's homophobic?? Our tennis team will wallop the Warriors (er, Bows) all
over the court!!
Thanks for the memories! Unfortunately, my best memories of you are from that other place.
Hey - Linguist has been here and has ignored my thread just like fauforde. The Anti-Jared freeper is debating how to strike back!
Another fave memory - Dan'l!!
J

I am fair to middlin', GW. As long as I stay away from my Celtic tendencies towards addictive behaviors...e.g. THIS place....I manage to
muddle through.
Big Ten has three through to the Sweet-16, though neither Badgers nor Buckeyes played up to snuff.
They look like a lock for SOMEONE to make the finals.

[Jared7] - 06:28pm Mar 19, 2001 EST (#9 of 51) And who can forget Wardaddy, who was the very first to welcome me here and who's
last communication to me was to call me a liar!
I called you a liar? Never happen.

Duffy, thanks...recall I wrote a paper on urbanization in SL for a college class so am somewhat familiar with the place.
And thanks for that wish. The SO is doing OK...his problems are now more with his back...not AIDS related.

Jared, it is the idiot administration that is afraid of appearing homophobic ...or homophilic!! Either way...they are against extremists
on both sides: those who want to deny homosexuals equal rights, and those who want to ensure those rights.
heheheheheh
Of course, no one associated the "Rainbow" appellation with homosexuality until they decided to ban the name. Then of course, both
sides immediately seized on its symbolic nature, meaning that everything is now cast in concrete and compromise is now impossible.
At least we got rid of that weird mascot, who looked like some 16 year old on steroids...HAHAHAHAHAH
Of course, not EVERYONE can have a mascot as spiffy as Bucky Badger.
I mean, look at that silly hackey sack that GW's team is forced to use as a mascot!..heheheheheh

Jared
I never called you a liar.

Hi Wardaddy! I only deserve to be called a liar when I actually lie (which, according to my dittohead nephews is often)! Don't worry
about it - it was just meant to be a joke (and probably a bad one at that). (I think it had something to do with Kathleen Willey...)
Another memory - Paul Revere!
J

Duffy, thanks...recall I wrote a paper on urbanization in SL for a college class so am somewhat familiar with the place.
That's right! I had forgotten about that. You did share a lot about that. Thanks :-)
And thanks for that wish. The SO is doing OK...his problems are now more with his back...not AIDS related.
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess it's better that it's not AIDS related. I remember you told me that so many months ago. I hope he'll always be
able to get the medication that he needs to stay healthy.

Caw! Remember the Raven &

McDuff...no problemo..hes a survivor.
It is too bad about this place going away, though. This was like the neigborhood tavern without the beer (or with the beer, except it
was in a stein next to the keyboard).

Oh, and Cajun!!!...How could I forget that Cajun was one of the originals I found here at AllPolitics??
I remember being confused between Cajun and Kadien...LOLOL
Now THERE are two very dear people whom you would NEVER confuse once you knew much about them...
Though, they could confuse YOU..*G*

Another fave - Treetop!! That Roman Catholic expert on Presbyterianism was always so pithy and articulate!! One time he posted this
great quote from Umberto Eco that fit the situation so perfectly and Dave immediately deleted it and warned him about ad homs! It
was classic!
J

Damn...
I came here back before Clinton's first election...
Marcus was still the moderator, and it was a few months later that Dave started being the co-moderator...
Remember the "Ask Marcus and Dave" threads?
Sherrie and I threw rocks at each other, bloodied many a room.
Ferret Mike, known as hobbb back then, and I got into many a fight over Gays in the military. I'm surprised that neither of us got
banned over some of the shots that sailed through cyberspace during those discussions.
Surprisingly, Sherrie and Mike are two people I count among my friends here.
We still don't agree often, but the discussions are alot more civil. *G*
There there was SBB, Sunbaked Bob. I remmber listening to Rush one day when Bob got on the air with him. Rush ate him for lunch!
There are just too many people who have made these boards too much fun to be able to express in words.
I'mm gonna have to put together some notes to have a proper good-bye to post on the 30th.

I used to get Treetop and Talltimber confused...Talltimber was a Kentuckian retired factory manager from around Bowling Green...a
Centre College alum...I enjoyed talking KY politics with him (and used to accuse him of really being a Republican...he did convince
me otherwise).

Goodlord...I remember SunBakedBob...great handle...he had that little poll going that was showing Buchanen doing so good back in
the primary season....and didnt he do that site visit to the Cheney house...taking photos? Or was that Serious Summer?
This board was around in 1992 and 93? Before Clintons first election?

Ol Perf!
Glad to see you came back for one more "goodbye"!! <g>
There's just too many memories right now..I have to sort them out sometime.
I loved the time the Non-cussing software was intorduced and it took Hank about an hour to figure out how to get around it, which
meant that damn near everybody started trying to get around it. A whole thread was devoted to people ..well..just cussin'! I even
remember Libby using the F word. [GASP!] That was a perfect example of encouraging people to do something, by telling them they
can't. It was hilarious.

fauforde: The cussin' thread could be my all-time favorite thread. I can't remember ever laughing so hard.
A close second was the thread: "General Noodlenipper wants you for his all-gay army!" Remember that one?
And of course, the wood chisel threads were classic......

LOL...I remember that cussin' thread, AND Gen'l Noodlenipper, and the wood chisels. So many memories, so little time....
I really have missed SnowPea, and since I changed computers, I no longer have his email. SnowPea...if you see this, please email me
at sjscruby@yahoo.com

I think one of my favorite things about these boards/communities is the way people (of ALL stripes, colors, political persuasions)
rally round when someone is in need of support---death, divorce, kids, parents, surgeries, illnesses...whatever. We've been through
a lot together. I realize, as Mel so often reminded us, these are only words on a monitor, but even Mel saw the outpourings of support
when he lost Hart. They may be only words on a monitor, but those words come from individuals who care...

We are a funny little family, aren't we, Susan.
Affecting and infuriating, all at the same time. Who said the online world isn't like Real Life?

So true, Dave...in many ways it seems to be more real than Real Life. I think many of us share more of ourselves here than we do "out
there." *g*
And I have to agree with others---part of what has kept me coming back is the people who irritate me the most. LOL

A few weeks ago when the supposed "boycott" took place & a few of us hung around.
And I did a little experiment on how to post while consuming alcohol (the results were about as one wuld ax-u/me) LOL!
Been fun folks (and just think, a while back Limbaugh said this place was dead! Who'da thunk that he'd be right)

Dave Gin:
Do you have anyway of checking board history?
Without getting personal (no names), can you tell us when the board started, including its previous incarnations?

Ol'Perf, your posts brought back a lot of fond memories. Thanks. After your first list, I was trying to think of the name of the poster
who suffered the divorce thing and you came up with Roger. If I recall, he was living in one of the Scandanavian countries.
Thanks.
Dick H

I hope he can, Anton. I know I started with TOL on AOL in the spring of 1995, but I also know it had been going on for some time
before that---that is just when I got my first computer, and it was one of the first places I landed.

A close second was the thread: "General Noodlenipper wants you for his all-gay army!" Remember that one?
LOL! We had a lot of fun on that thread, GW. That wasn't too long after I joined. As I remember, it was a spoof thread of some anti-gay
"Homosexual Recruitment" thread that everone laughed at. Except JCIL, (or one of his many incarnations) the thread parent.

Your memory is good, fauf......

" Who said the online world isn't like Real Life?"
My wife. She asked if I was going to lose all of my imaginary friends...

My earliest memory of posting here is a late-night exchange with Kadien that ended abruptly with a severe tongue-lashing. Kadien
took exception to me starting a post with the words: "Try paying attention ... ."
At the time, this experience brought back (and then replaced) nightmarish memories of my fifth-grade teacher and a very thick
wooden ruler.
LOL!

My first encounter with Oregon Jim was back in '95.
He came on like gangbusters and started making fun of ex-President Reagan soiling his undergarments.
We had a few disagreements.........
Then, in '96, Jim announced plans to travel to the GOP convention in San Diego and engage in disruptive activities...........something
about LSD in the water supply and engaging in lewd activities with GOP women.........
I got a little hot under the collar over that.......
During an e-mail exchange in '97 or '98, OJ disclosed some personal background information that made me see him in a whole new
light.
I have found it impossible to get upset with him since then.

Fauforde...it really is impossible to explain to those who don't know---many of the people here ARE family. *g*

I just told my wife at work....
who must now try to figure out how to keep me from chasing her around the house with all this free time!

Fauforde...it really is impossible to explain to those who don't know---many of the people here ARE family.
I know, they really are.

When I told my wife the news last night, she said:
"Oh, geez. From the tone of your voice, I thought it was something really bad."
There's no way to convey the sense of this place to outsiders..........

Dear Mrs. Anton:
Try wearing a George Bush mask.
Regards, Herb

Herb:
LMAO!

Jared - Did you post your email address yet? It's not on your profile...

And it ain't ever going to be on my profile either! I do not wish to be spammed by freepers/homophobes if I can avoid it.
I used to worry about that, but my hotmail account has been listed on and off, for a long time and not once was I ever bothered.
But....if you've been hanging in Freeperville...maybe I would keep it secret...

I'll miss MANY of the liberals (or those who are to the left of me) that I've had the pleasure of having trite, snippy, and tough
argument with, including Fauforde, Libby, hoeker, TreeTop, Ferret Mike, Sherrie, Geogent, Summer, etc.
I'll think of some more....I'm still recovering from a massive virus & have the intellectual capacity of a Palm Beach voter this
morning, so all I can conjure up are the handles of the assholes, so I'll shut up.
BTW, hope AOL uses the same keen eye for profit when allocating Jesse's salary for his shittily (my own word, hoeker!) rated show.

And how could I forget robny - who really won the Presidency!! And Rocketman!!
I've already mentioned my favorite adversaries - dittophile and bacchus, but there were many others. Anyone remember that guy
from Newfoundland that Thear couldn't stand?? What was his name??
J

During the 1996 election I was working with a grass-roots political organization involved in housing issues for working poor
families, food distribution to shelters, etc. and one night I was down at the "office" (such as it was) they had an old beater computer
with some early modem so I showed them how to get to this web site - which at the time was owned/operated by CNN and it was called
All Politics.
Anyway several of the folks got interested in this board and how it worked - a place where folks could start a discussion on just about
any topic and get an incredible range of view - from the inane to the pointed/centered and on both sides of the political equation.
But the most fun we had was one Sunday night we had been smoking some really powerful pot and a couple of us had ingested some
"Liberty Blues" and we came up with "Top 10 Signs You Know You've Had Too Much To Drink At The GOP Convention"
We posted it about 3:00 AM Sunday night/Mondaymorning and by noon we had over 200 posts - and the Repuba-Bubbas were livid.
Especially over the one about Reagan giving a speech at Marineland - "Go out and win one more for Flipper"
LMAO

To all Republicans I've run across at TOL, hope to catch you at another site along the way. The sun has risen, with the election of
President Bush and Al going to pasture and the awful Clintons finally out of the White House. We can anticipate that New Yorkers
will see the light and give Hillary the boot next time around.
To the liberals onboard, drop your day job of being dissatisfied with everything. Hope happiness won't be a stranger to ya.
The Greens aka liberals. Your fight for Nader helped defeat Al, for which I thank you. Otherwise...lay off so much wacky backy, get
your heads straight, and get behind your president. :>)
Adios.

Okay, some of my favorite memories:
Being a GutterGirl and terrorizing Roger Gay. He loved every minute of it.
When Sherrie was prancing around in her diamond bra.
My thread, "Not necessarily Ranting and Raving," over on Society, which many friends from here joined just to talk about things
other than politics. Mostly football, it was a good one.
When everyone would start silly threads, and take turns hijacking them into something ridiculous.
Michael Meulenburg's theory of human adaption to marine life on styrofoam floaties. He was so out there, but of course, being me, I
felt sorry for him, even though he claimed to hate the universe and embraze Nazis.
JCIL - How could I forget the one poster who really got me good? He had a knack for just pissing the liberals off with his ways. Even
though he was run off the boards by a gang of us, he was worth watching in action!
Most of all, I said it before, but I will say it again, the best time I ever had here, was when I needed all of you most: TallTimber, Tony,
Sherrie, GW, so many of you were there when my boy was in the hospital and we didn't know if he would survive. And I would post
updates. That was a lonely, scary time.
Yes, all my imaginary friends are dissappearing!
AOL Sucks.

Hey Dan'l!! Yeah, Thear was the coolest and I have a crush on him still. Too bad I lost his e-mail address, but if I'm ever on the Kwaj, I
promise to look him up.
Another favorite Republican is glencar, who I liked because he said I was smart once.
J

you expect me to post something on a thread titled with lyrics from a Babs Streisand song?????? ;)

you expect me to post something on a thread titled with lyrics from a Babs Streisand song?????? ;)
No sh*t!
There's enough "stereotyping" going on around here as it is without that type of re-inforcement, eh?
LMAO

Who can forget the 2000 elections, man that was one wild ride to say the least.
Trying to post here was really hilarious...by the time you wrote something to a thread, 30 more messages were posted...it was
impossible, crazy, annoying and heartbreaking night, plus trying to keep up with all the netwroks and their reporting...and I am so
glad I could spend it here on the Politics board with you people. How can you beat that for a political junkie? I feel lucky to have
witnessed election 2000, and even luckier I had this place during it.

JCIL - How could I forget the one poster who really got me good? He had a knack for just pissing the liberals off with
his ways. Even though he was run off the boards by a gang of us, he was worth watching in action!
agreed. Of all the boneheaded, flamebaiting conservative jerks to have ever graced these boards, JCIL (and I believe a whole host of
other IDs after he get kicked) was the best at getting us libs up in arms.
Heres to JCIL and babysitting at Harvard.

It could be worse. Remember "Seasons of the Sun?"

Hey, she didn't write it - she just sang it! Yeah, GW's thread gets the thoughtful, well-expressed memories; I get the crack about
Barbra. Typical, typical...
J

Dave
Don't forget "Honey" by Bobby Goldsboro.
Christ - those were the musical "daze" eh?

Or "Watching Scotty Grow."
I literally get the up-chucks hearing that one.

For the record, I am not, nor ever have been a Babs fan. And I don't like Judy Garland, either.
Nor do I "antique", or support it's use as a verb.
And this is a good thread.

funny, one of my best friends back home is a "tiquer" and also loves Babs.
he is straight as an arrow....no, really......I'm serious!! :)

#96 - CLEVE, know where you and Par5 labor...smart guys!...have enjoyed making your acquaintance and reading & responding to
your posts...many others as well.
Laughter is good medicine and I must say at times I've laughed until my sides ached. HOEKER occasionally very funny. His Feel the
Glee stuff.
A witty place to be...also a learning opportunity.
Goodbye all.

he is straight as an arrow....no, really......I'm serious!! :)
Why, yes. And so am I.

Hiya, JaredBoy! I was also trying to think of Isaiah's name. I think my favorite time was on Rhiannon's 'Atheist Agenda' thread, with
Isaiah and Bill Munz. Even when they weren't posting, we had some great discussions twixt us.
Actually, I give Babs some credit. I remember the very first time she responded to me on a thread I was frequenting. Her post was so
inane, so sophomoric and so lacking in understanding of the topic that I assumed she was some mental dificient who had accidently
wondered in. I simply responded "nice post" and let her go.
She has since become considerably adept at researching her stuff, has always remained perfectly civil and taken our best shots with
grace.
I always regretted that she got the boot -- everyone needs a foil.

Yeah, I was way too much of a latecomer to get in on that thread; although I was a lurker when it hit its "highs".
Y'all are wrong - there is a God and she's pissed!!
I also liked Babs a lot.
J

If dittophile was really Rush Limbaugh, well, then, that has to be a favorite memory!!
J

Jared...I changed computers and lost your email. If you would, please email me at sjscruby@yahoo.com so I can add it to my address
book. ;)

If dittophile was really Rush Limbaugh, well, then, that has to be a favorite memory!!
He might have fancied himself as Rush, but face it, Rush isn't smart enough to get on the web, much less post to a Bulletin Board.

LOLOL, Fauforde.

Ok... I have wondered about this for a while... *S* About 2 years ago another poster and I were flirting... just playing you
understand...*wg* and there seemed to be no one else on when all of a sudden some one else commented and then a bunch of guys
jumped on him for stopping us...
I was fairly new and didn't *know* the folks... when I came on the next day there were like 30 or 40 posts gone...
(ok we were kinda bad...)
So... If you were one of the guys reading ... tell me?

Hi susan - I think you do have it via Perf (I've read your latest two!) I get it - you and fauforde are ganging up and forcing me to list
my e-mail because you're really bikerthug and Mel.
I don't know fau - I'm listening today and Rush said he knows this site "very well" and there are certain similarities (which I have
been discussing on another thread). It's fun to speculate, and if it is true, then my notorious battles with ditto take on a new meaning
for me.
Who can ever forget when he launched that AIDS thread the very day after the new stats, which totally contradicted him, were
released?? Ditto was flabbergasted that he was so wrong and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle just to retain
consistency. And who can ever forget his attempted rants about the numerous religious organizations changing their tune on gay
pastors and he was left with the Mormons only (and then some LDSer totally contradicted him)??
It'd be too funny if they were one and the same!!
J

Not me surferchicklet - I would have remembered that for sure! Perhaps you could reprise a few examples???
I would bet that Bear was probably one of them - and probably Cooter!
J

And speaking of the gay threads, there was nobody like Hambone:-)!!!!!
Hambone now hangs out on the gay message boards on Yahoo. He's as dull and simpleminded as ever, and he's still talking about sex
with goats.

ROFL, Nigel, How could I forget Hambone, that poor, tortured soul!!!
LOLOLOL

surferchick: I didn't witness your little.....ah....indiscretion....
However, it seems that every election night I get a load on and start hitting on one of the female posters.
In '98, it was Duh.
In 2000, it was lara croft.
I don't remember who I hit on in '96.
It's probably just as well........

I don't remember who I hit on in '96.
Me. Boy, were you drunk.
But you never come by, you never call. Don't you care anymore?

LOL.. Actually it was Bear.....
Cooter might have been there...
It was funny... we were bad on a couple threads... then someone said something about a bear in heat in the woods... and a bunch of
guys were telling him to shut up... *G*
I won't repeat what we were saying, it'd just get pulled..*G*

I dunno, Jared. As I recall, I DID win the election predictions. ;-)
Geez, I've been away for awhile, but my favorite memory will always be the "Road Show."
To meet Surferchicklet, Guy, Johnnyba, SmartAlix and Streamline in person and post on-line from a smoky hotel room was cool
beyond words.
Hey Chicklet . . . XOXOXOXOX!!!!!!

Hey Dave... do you remember the flirt wars?
Those were fun...

Snow Pea!! Long time, no see. Glad you made it back in time for the Going-Away party.
Er...you guys are throwing me a going a way party, right? I already got my gift from Limbaugh.

Remember. Hell, I'm still blushing.

SnowPea!!!!!!!
Darlin'... what's your e-mail??
I would post my phone number, but well.. Uh..LOL
I gave it to Guy to give you, he might still have it...

Who can ever forget when he launched that AIDS thread the very day after the new stats, which totally contradicted him, were
released?? Ditto was flabbergasted that he was so wrong and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle just to retain
consistency. And who can ever forget his attempted rants about the numerous religious organizations changing their tune on gay
pastors and he was left with the Mormons only (and then some LDSer totally contradicted him)??
That WAS hilarious! LOL!
It'd be too funny if they were one and the same!!
I admit, that WOULD have been great if they were. Funny thing is, if he ever allowed dissenting opinions on his show, we'd
proabably see more of that.

LOL... Ya know... If me and Duhoney go to Las Vegas I looked... it's a ( relativly relatively speaking) short hop down to El Paso...
Snow... Chicklita says to say "Hey!" and she wants to see The Boy...

XOXOXOXOXOXO

Snow Pea! Good to see you. You must have read my mind as I just asked about you on another thread.
Good to see you Snow, we missed you.

Chicklet - I just *knew* it had to be Bear and Cooter, who seem to be about the strongest heteros on the board.
Snow Pea, You DID NOT WIN!! I was completely and totally accurate and jollyollie was so mad at me about Bosnia that he just ruled me
out of order for nothing!
Fau, my/our battles with the dittoster were classics. Of course, Dave didn't save them (and like I could figure out how to do that). Man,
it would go on for month after month after month and he would just lay into me like nobody's business and never yield an inch. I
hope he stops by and insults me yet again before this all ends and I take another 6-month vacation from the net!!
That thread where he attempted to prove that the Jewish religion condemns gays and lesbians (and then linguist, like, totally
contradicted him was my all time fave in this format). Monsignor Blue Lime's thread on Religion and Gay/Lesbian Rights was my
all-time fave in the Wabbit format!
J

Chicklet, I'll get my e-mail to you. Say hey to Chicklita and tell her Boy is fine -- all grown up but still acting like a kitten.
Dave, the funniest thing about Limbaugh is the fact that these boards must have bugged the hell out of him. Why else would he make
any mention of them?

In any case, Jared, I got the plaque hangin' over my mantle and you don't! Nyah, nyah, nyah nyah nyah . . . ;-)

Snow Pea, yeah, it's kinda like Bush and Gore. I *really* won, but you get all the glory and get to be President while I have no life
and jollyollie continues to hate the very idea of my existence.
J

My thoughts exactly, Snow. Why the hell would Rushette care about TOL. TOL didn't think much about him.

Not Bear and Cooter, Jared... Just Bear...
Maybe Cooter was one of the lurkers tho...
Good deal, Snow... We haven't been up that way yet... I had pneumonia at the holidays...
Chicklita's got a new bird the Boy would like to meet I'm sure... We will be coming back up by June I think...

Hey, Snow Pea! Nice to see you!

Dave,
Why the hell would Rushette care about TOL. TOL didn't think much about him.
Speak for yourself.
Some do like him.

I don't mean to be picky or anything, but wasn't it "Like the corners of my mind?"

Dave can speak for me...
What he says makes more sense...

Picky, picky!! So I composed an original work of authorship fixed in a tangible means of expression only slightly different than the
actual famous song. I was figuring linguist would be the first to notice, but no, HE'S BOYCOTTING MY THREAD like a total dufus! And I
have said countless times that BLUE LIME RULES, but does he show up?? Typical Tennessean who thinks Sam Houston and Davey
Crockett are more famous as Tennesseans than Texans!! How arrogant of him!! And like Locutuss is going to show his Borg-implant
dominated face!!
J

surferchicklet,
It's the broad, general, and sweeping comment of Dave's that I objected to.
Of course most of the Lefties don't care for Rush. But unless Dave is also saying that only what the Lefties believe matter, then his
comment is way off mark.

Is this where I get to snarl and shout obscenities at you, Shroom?
I choose not to. Of course it was a broad, sweeping comment. It was intended as such. I believe you have passing experience with
such things.
Truth is, with the exception of episodic events, Limbaugh and his show was not that much of a presence here.
I was simply agreeing with Snow Pea that Rush's singling out TOL suggests it bugged Rush a hell of a lot more than Rush bothered
TOL.

For example...I doubt either TOL or I will be featured anytime soon in a column by William Buckley, who is likely unaware we existed,
much less are retiring.

Seems to me, Shroom, that Dave IS speaking in general terms. There's little question that the majority of people who post here --
conservative and liberal alike -- don't think Rush is anything more than a lousy, self-serving entertainer. Care to take a poll?
And you can be sure that Rush checked in here every once in a while to have his delicate sensibilities offended. We all know Rush
can dish it but can't take it.

[Jared7] - 12:24pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#99 of 146)
Hey Dan'l!! Yeah, Thear was the coolest and I have a crush on him still. Too bad I lost his e-mail address, but if
I'm ever on the Kwaj, I promise to look him up.
Another favorite Republican is glencar, who I liked because he said I was smart once.
J

Well, Jared, you really know how to bring people onto your threads. Now, if only you'd done this with your "Banking Law" thread...
I have many memories of TOL. Some aren't very fond but as the dump closes down. let's accentuate the positive. I enjoyed the Book
threads, the race threads, the Lara & Sherrie threads. I think my favorite night was when the Kathleen Willey story first opened. It
was while Miss Monica was servicing Bubba but before we actually got the rest of you to see how sleazy he was. Lotsa fun there with
Lara, RC, Mel, Rhi, Libby & others. I'm going to miss you people...

I believe you have passing experience with such things.
The only experience I have with this is what has been posted by the lefties on here.... I am, by nature, a quite specific individual.
Nary a general or broad and sweeping comment did I post. :)

Thanks glen! How's the tennis?? Yeah, well, I have to admit that I've been baiting quite a few people to come and say good-bye.
My favorite thread with you was the Mt. Rushmore thread (the one where you said I was smart). Didn't you, like, really get into it
with Liz once (or more than once)?? And someone questioned your sexuality and I defended you??
And gee thanks for broadcasting my crush on Thear in bold letters yet again!
J

Tennis is great, J! I've been winning lately...
I had a great skiing season this year. As for Liz, the less said the better. She has a load of problems & I'd rather let bygones be
bygones...
It's funny but I had decided recently to post less here. I've gotten busier with other things in life & politics sin't what it used to be. So
many threads lately have been rather insubstantial. Still, it's weird to see the end in sight.

And like Locutuss is going to show his Borg-implant dominated face!!
I haven't seen Locutuss forever...I used to have his email addy but, no more. I lost it somehow.
Linguist rarely posts here anymore, and we are the poorer for it.
Limey is out there somewhere.

Glen, I just got back from Taos!! Best snow in 15 years!! Had a blast!! Caught some air!! Kept my speed!! Stayed high!! Carved those
slopes!! (Uh, I also hurt my knee badly). Yeah, I too have taken a Loong break for a wide variety of reasons (mainly because Blue
Lime is so arrogant!)
Man, I lost Locutuss' e-mail too! And Thear's (but perhaps I'm hitting that point a little too hard). Linguist was here last night!
I'm considering actually posting my e-mail but I'm still way too chicken.
J

I posted with Blue Lime a few weeks ago. He's very funny!
I love Taos although I was there in 1995 before ski season. So many places to see...
Another fine memory is when I was getting a new car. Lotsa of good advice. I think I'll miss the place more than I ever imagined.

SNOWPEA!!!! Great to see you. I have a different computer, so don't have your email. Please email me, if you see this, at
sjscruby@duhspot.net
I was posting my yahoo address, but I don't seem to be getting the email from there. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
(Jared...you COULD get a hotmail address to list here *g*)

Being a GutterGirl and terrorizing Roger Gay
Oh my god....my very favorite misogynistic toy. I wonder if Libby remembers some of the 'discussions' with him...
As for AOL/Time, I just got an AOL cd with my latest issue of Time magazine.

Liz I hope you find peace somewhere out there. You were my first experience on line. What a long strange trip it became...

As for AOL/Time, I just got an AOL cd with my latest issue of Time magazine.
Supposedly CD's put on quite an entertaining display when put into a microwave oven.

Didn't you, like, really get into it with Liz once (or more than once)?? And someone questioned your sexuality and I
defended you??
Hm. The less said about my relationship with Glen the better, but I *have to say this much:
In roughly 98, someone else suggested to me it would be hilarious to say Glen was really a woman. It doesn't matter who, because I
*chose to run it. I said to everyone that Glen had told me he was a woman. It was me who started the rumor and I apologize for it now.
It was juvenile and puerile and I'm kind of embarassed by it.

Liz I hope you find peace somewhere out there. You were my first experience on line. What a long strange trip it
became...
Gee...your first, huh? I'm flattered. Yes. It has been a long, strange trip. I've found some peace, Glen and I hope you are well, I really
do.

Lord, Liz, I thought it was stupid at the time & I think I got a little hot under the collar about it (LOL) but it's water long under the
bridge. It's funny how petty so much stuff seems years later. It was 4 years ago this week that I bought this pc & logged onto
AllPolitics & this site. Ironically, I'm dumping this pc just as AOL is dumping this joint!

I'll have to try that, Nigel. When the kids are in bed.

Alot of stuff I used to think was life and death when we were right in the middle of it seems petty now, Glen. But not so petty that I
don't know I owe apologies to anyone I ever put through the proverbial ringer.
I just got a brand new computer, and a brand ner car.

Glen
It was while Miss Monica was servicing Bubba but before we actually got the rest of you to see how sleazy he was.
What's sleazy about getting a blow job in the oval office while talking on the phone to a member of the congress???
The man's a legend &

Ah, bart, I see my work is STILL incomplete! Then again, maybe it's for the best...

The one about strippers hurting the women's movement was a classic!
smiling....I have that one archived. That pissed off a lot of people. Was that the one where Noel and I got into it because he said he
would let his kids watch porn?

Dave
Remember the time Marcus pissed me off and I wrote him a nasty e-mail complaining about how he treated us and faxed a copy to the
CEO's of Time Inc. and Time Warner???
Man, did I get his attention or what??? He sent me five e-mails in one day &

Sorry, I think it's ironic that you got Marcus' attention by sending him an e mail and cc'ing it to corporate. Did corporate care back
then?

Liz
Sorry, I think it's ironic that you got Marcus' attention by sending him an e mail and cc'ing it to corporate. Did corporate care back
then?
I wrote Marcus three e-mails and he ignored me until I cc'ed them to the CEO's of Both Time and Time Warner & I sure got his
attention then &
It's not nice to ignore b-bart &

I'm trying to imagine how this board will be on the last day. I'm picturing a mad-house. The server may bog down.
This is really depressing.

"I remember the Dinner Party from All History, with Sundance as the quintessential mime."
Don t forget, Perf, Kadian had me dancing in the Mime Pride parade in a tie-died tutu, while I whispered sweet nothings to her in
Scottish Gaelic ;-)
How ya doing, Perf?!

Hi! I'm glad you made it. It's actually fun here since yesterday. Like a high school graduation or something. :-)

I wrote Marcus three e-mails and he ignored me until I cc'ed them to the CEO's of Both Time and Time Warner & I sure
got his attention then &
But did *corporate give a damn?
Marcus made me nuts when he was the moderator, but anyone who wouldn't let me get away with my crap would have. Looking back,
I appreciate much more what a terrific moderator he was. He is the only truly unbiased moderator I ever knew, and it can't be easy. I
don't think anyone gave him enough credit, me included.
Hiya Duff : )

Hi Liz! :-)

Liz, I m on borrowed time. Dave hates me and will probably ban me from this board once he finds out I m Sundance. Yeah,
everybody gave Marcus a hard time, but he really was a great moderator, wasn t he? Marcus Bales was Time Inc. s best board
moderator of all time. I really liked him.

"Hi! I'm glad you made it. It's actually fun here since yesterday. Like a high school graduation or something. :-)"
Thanks for inviting me to the party, doll.

Don't misunderstand me, I liked Marcus but he got a little tyrannical at times and he did very little explaining as to why he did what
he did &
He just needed to be a tad more accountable to the people that used the boards &
I think Dave has been very responsive to most of the people here and taking this bunch to task would be like herding Ants & LOL

Horseman, how could Dave hate a liberal? Somebody tell me who Rebel, RW and Reese are?????

Hi Sundance... : )
I don't think you'll be kicked. He's letting me stay, which means it must be pretty frosty in hell right now ; ) Maybe now that the
board is closing, petty crap stopped meaning so much.
Feel free to e mail me white_noise@bigfoot.com

Thanks for inviting me to the party, doll
Well what's a party without Sundance?

What's a party without Liz?

What's a party without Libby?

Jared7 reminisced:
Or Dittophile - man, that one should be worth a few posts
ROFL.
Jared, are you the same person who used to post under JaredBoy?

Of course! Hey Ditto, nice to see you again! We really had some tussles back in the good old days! I don't know what happened to my
old name - after one of my many 6 month absences, I couldn't get on with JBoy, so I had to switch.
Without a doubt, you (and bacchus) are my very favorite adversaries! C'mon, can't you just lay into me one more time for old times
sakes?? And please feel free to reminesce about anything and everything on this thread!
JBoy
J

Sundance... I doubt Dave feels that strongly about you...

FAUFORDE - 01:59pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#116 of 192)
He might have fancied himself as Rush, but face it, Rush isn't smart enough to get on the web, much less post to a
Bulletin Board.

Oh, contraire, mon ami.

Jared it was a challenge to debate with you -- you were so slippery and evasive. I enjoyed beating you, seeing you flee from the
threads. I do, however, think your memories of those ol' debates need to be refreshed -- you seem to have romanticized memories of
them:
[Jared7] - 02:08pm Mar 20, 2001 EST (#119 of 190)
And who can ever forget his attempted rants about the numerous religious organizations changing their tune on gay
pastors and he was left with the Mormons only (and then some LDSer totally contradicted him)??
Hmmmm. Going back into the Ditto archives....This is the last post I gave on the topic addressed to you on15 Dec 1997:
Ah, JaredBoy. One point at a time as they become applicable.
I see that you're still dodging that old question on Mormon doctrine that haunts you to this day. Why don't you ask a
Mormon if Mormons believe, as you claimed:
The ... LDS... do not regard homosexuality as immoral.
... then after my challenge to the above claim, you provided this followup message where you signifiantly moderated
your claim (actually, you turned it almost 180 degrees -- I'd estimte at least 160):
The LDS reference was to my two earlier references to Representative Jim Kolbe's moving story about
being welcomed home with alacrity and tears by his particular community as well as the numerous
Mormon posters on the Religion thread - which you should also go back and read. These actually
happened, whther you wish to believe it or not. The central authorities, as you suggest, have not
followed the Protestant and Catholic leads as yet, but this is being discussed currently. We'll see.
Now, even after all this time, we haven't gotten past this simple, easily verifiable point. Your first statement is clearly
in direct opposition to your second, so there is little need for you to admit that you vastly overstated your case -- an
embarrassing admission you continue to evade. Now, we obviously have a real live Mormon in our midsts. Let's ask
him.... nathankk, is Jaredboy correct? Woops, looks like he already answered:
Let me state that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clearly condemns the act of
homosexuality while encouraging the participants to seek spiritual guidance through fasting and
prayer, endurance and repentance in an effort to thwart the practice as would be expected of anyone
wanting to consider themselves in full fellowship with God.
And you never addresed whether or not in your past post you were comparing yourself with Christ and me with the
Pharisees
You never answered. You disappeared from the boards -- like usual when you got cornered. Care to do it before the boards close? :) I
cornered you, you fled and now you remember it in all of the painful detail!
Without a doubt, you (and bacchus) are my very favorite adversaries! C'mon, can't you just lay into me one more time
for old times sakes?? And please feel free to reminesce about anything and everything on this thread!
Was that good enough? ROFL
It was always a fun challenge to debate you, my slippery friend.
All the best to you,
Dittophile
More Evil Than Satan Herself

Ok sing along with me Sundance, Liz, Rhi, Libby etc.
<Cheers tune>
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to be where you can see,
Our troubles are all the same;
You want to be where everybody knows your name
</Cheers tune>
LOL, You have it in your head now? :-)
I've been having way too much fun LOL

Great one Ditto - much appreciated! Of course, you refused ever to address the Presbyterians, who, even as we speak, are failing to
ratify the proposal to ban the sanctioning of same sex unions. And, of course, you failed ever to address the Reformed Jews and the
Unitarians or the Chicago Methodists or the Buddhists or the Hindus or the Sunni Moslems or any of the other many, many other
religions which don't even come close to what you were saying. And, of course, you never addressed Kolbe and the Methodists either.
And, of course, you never addressed the central issue of the thread either. As I said earlier on the thread, it was you who was backed
into a corner and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle and hang your hat only on the Mormons. And you also seem to
forget the LDS'ers who contradicted you and nathankk flatly after you left (for family reasons as I recall) never to return to the
thread. Granted, you probably left because OJ and Sherrie were burying you with totally irrelevant inanities, so I understand, but
you left never to return nontheless. And, of course, the debate continued long after 12/15/97 (without you), but why bother
pointing that out to you. And why bother pointing out all of the things you never addressed to you now (because you're sure to
never address them in any manner whatsoever).
Anyway, it was a lot of fun sparring with you!! And I can most earnestly believe that you saved all of those great debates too!
C'mon - have at me (but be sure to address those Presbys!)
J

ROFL. Still practicin' that ol' shotgun-o-confusion approach, eh, JaredBoy?
Ah, it brings back such fond memories.
Simple counter-tactics thwart such evasive tactics....
it was you who was backed into a corner and had to backpeddle and backpeddle and backpeddle and hang your hat
only on the Mormons
Step-by-step, my friend. Line upon line -- the best counter-tactic to the shotgun-o-fortune.
I clearly demonstrated that you failed with the Mormon argument, but you STILL -- almost 4 years later -- won't admit it.
There's therefore no reason to address your other misrepresentations... you'd just deny the obvious again. I control the debate
(stoptime always hated that!!!)
And you also seem to forget the LDS'ers who contradicted....
Sorry. You can't fool me. Now that the boards are dead, I can tell you more about myself -- now that it can't get us off on a
meaningless tangent-rant, interfering with the substance of the real debate. I'm Mormon. I know Mormon doctrine. Your original
claims of Mormon doctrine were false.
ROFL.Bzzzzzt. You lose -- just in time for the boards to close. Good timing.
Now, how about addressing the fallacy that "Because Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, he MUST have condoned it"? You know,
the crux of your argument. Don't forget to include a detailed examination of the interpretation of the OT prohibition of
homosexuality with respect to the two greatest commandments "upon which the Law and Prophets hang" -- which Christ
specifically condoned. Christ specifically stated that the OT laws were based upon the exact same NT "gospel of love" you claimed
changed everything. How could Christ have construed the NT "love your neighbor" doctrine to actually support the OT prohibition of
homosexual acts? Christ said it. Your statements seem to be at odds with Christ's.
Ah, it brings back such fond memories. :)
Anyway, it's been fun debating with you. I don't like to debate religion, or bring it into political debates. It's not something we
should argue about. And I don't bash homosexuals -- even though I believe that it's dysfnctional behavior. That's just not my style.
That's not "Christian". That "hate the sin, love the sinner" thingy -- something we seem to forget sometimes. One of my favorite
relatives is homosexual.
The only objection I have to your argument is not about religion at all, but about a logicical and fair interpretation of the scriptures
you've chosen to back your argument. I'd never have brought the Bible into the discussion.
I believe you're forcing a politically self-interested interpretation of the scriptures, and that's wrong. Although you may fool some,
you won't convince anyone who knows the scriptures well. And you don't need to try. Misrepresenting the scriptires is dishonest --
and if they really do reflect the thinking of God, you do so at your own risk. And you don't need to use the scriptures for your debate.
There are other more effective arguments at your disposal. Just don't advance such silly arguments. Wasting time on such nonsense
only prevents us from finding an acceptable understanding. Did you ever notice that we never really discussed homosexuality
during that debate? My only effort was an analysis of the factuality your wild claims.

No mention of the Presbys at all, ditto. How typical!! You were directly challenged to address the Presbyterians and you were slippery
and evasive as usual. Why do you not repond to a simple direct challenge?? I am Presbyterian - I know Presbyterian doctrine. Your
abject failure ever to address Presbyterians shows that you lose, as usual.
No mention of the Disciples of Christ, the Methodists, the Unitarians, the Reformed Jews, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Sunni
Moslems or anything else which you have always (and apparently will always) avoid. Why do you consistently and constantly avoid
direct challenges?? Are you just afraid to discuss anything that anyone brings up??
And as usual, you have nothing whatsoever from Jesus that at all backs up any of your claims. Is it your claim that because Jesus
never mentioned homosexuality (other than the raca reference in Matthew) that he must have condemned it?? Please provide some
sort of proof as that kind of argument remains nonsensical as you well know. Your claims, as you also well know, have nothing to do
with what Christ actually said. He said "love thy neighbor" which doesn't sound to me like "homosexuality is bad; rather, the opoosite.
You can't deal with "love thy neighbor" and so you don't even try. How typical!! It is obvious that you do not wish to discuss the Bible
as you seem to be woefully deficient in discussing the philosophy of love enbodied therein. Too bad! I, on the other hand, am quite
willing to discuss any and all aspects of the Bible (as you aren't) because Christians will understand that we are to love one another
(by the way, I love you man!) and not judge and forgive constantly. Your failure even to attempt to discuss Biblical passages speaks
volumes!
Yes, I noticed that you don't bash gays - which kept the discussion clean and friendly. I certainly appreciate that and have
complimented both you and Rush on it (on other threads) many times. And, I also noted that you have many more effective
arguments at your disposal, but somehow do not use them (and I ain't gonna tell!).
The fact is that the Presbyterians, even as we bloviate at one another, are failing to ratify the ban of which I spoke. The fact is that
the Discliples of Christ are ordaining openly gay and lesbian pastors (with partners) and they weren't just three short years ago.
Progress is being made and I suspect, despite how much you argue, that you are also pleased with this (or at least not too bothered by
it).
Yes, it is loads of fun to talk to you - to see you backpeddle to the Mormons and the Mormons alone with nary a mention of any other
religion or denomination because you know you are on a slippery slope. The whole Mormon issue was brought up in connection
with Congressman Kolbe and you have never even typed his name. And, yes, the discussion did continue after you left (on that and
other threads) but I actually fully understand why you felt frsutrated with the tactics of others who wished to silence you with
ridiculous inanities.
A Salute to my old friend Dittophile! To discuss such contentious issues in a non ad hom way can be very enlightening to all who
read! I will miss you (and I hope you feel the same).
I'm really a lot closer to your positions on many issues than you may realize, but that's another story indeed!
J

Short timer. Was entertaining to read the Clinton apologists - the Oregonians, high on everything but maybe life, haha - and good
company with fellow Republicans.
Adieu TOL

Thanks for the post Bostick! To all those who might be put off by dittophile's and my little tete-a-tete, we were just reminescing by
actually re-invigorating a long-ago discussion. To those who never saw us go at each others' throats (figuratively), this was but a
brief yet juicy example!
Please feel free to ignore us and continue to post favorite and not-so-favorite memories!
J

Hmmmmmm.... Jared sez:

I, on the other hand, am quite willing to discuss any and all aspects of the Bible

ROFL. OK. Then do it. Your original thesis was that because Christ's theology is based upon love he couldn't possibly have condemned
homosexual behavior is wrong:
can you imagine that there are actually some who think that Christ ever or would ever judge/condemn gays and
lesbians? Such a condemnation thesis is at breathtaking variance from the love-centered message of Jesus.
Matt 22:34-41 sez:
Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Saducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him
with the question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' [Deut 6:5]
This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' [Lev 19:18] All
the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
Christ obviously based his "new" theology upon this "old" theology, employing these two commandments as the cornerstones (but
that means that the "new" is not very different from the "old")
As Christ explained, "All the Law and the Prophets" are derived from these two commandments: commandments based upon the pure
love of God and love of your fellow man. Obviously, as Christ clearly stated, every commandment in "Law and the Prophets" is based
upon love of God and mankind: from the prohibitions against murder to those prohibiting eating and touching "unclean" foods.
What did the pure-love based "Law and the Prophets" say about homosexual behavior? The answer is obvious: it condemned it as an
abomination worthy of death -- a penalty reserved only for the most serious sins like murder, adultery, fornication, bestiality...
and... homosexuality. Clearly, the "Law and the Prophets" taught that you can not fully "Love the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your mind" and/or "Love your neighbor as yourself" while at the same time engaging in
homosexual behavior.
Don't worry, I didn't take much time writing the above tonight... The above is actually a cut-n-paste of a question I posed to you so
long ago (Aug 98)-- to which you never responded. Are you really "quite willing to discuss any and all aspects of the Bible"????
As to the other religions, there are liberal, moderate and conservative branches of all religions -- all mirror liberal, moderate and
conservative political thinking. Imagine that.
A Salute to my old friend Dittophile! To discuss such contentious issues in a non ad hom way can be very enlightening
to all who read! I will miss you (and I hope you feel the same).
Among all the posters here, there are a few with whom I've really enjoyed debating. You are certainly one of the elite. I always like
a good challenge with a good thinker -- eventhough you use those slippery lawerly skills of yours too much. :) But, never fear, Ditto
can thwart it! I also enjoied my discussions with Fiat Lux for the same reasons (and, Crimson -- who refuses to talk to me anymore
-- and, of course, the ever lovable, Libby) ... only to name a limited few.
And, yes, I will miss you, my friend. I wish you well in life. Perhaps we will meet again either on-line of in, gasp, reallife!

Nite-all. I'll lurk, but probably not post (yeah, right!)

Man, the power in my facility just snapped off. Then, I went to take a leak & the urinal went nuts! Strange night...

Oh the question for post # 197 should be:
How could Christ have construed the NT "love your neighbor" doctrine to actually support the OT prohibition of homosexual acts?
Christ said it. Your statements seem to be at odds with Christ's.

Glencarr, LOL

Probably had something to do with the brownouts caused by the energy required to post Jared and Ditto's War and Peace posts, there
glen...
And no Jared... we aren't *put off* we'll just scroll your stuff like always... *sigh*... wait... ok, there's something I might not miss...

You have no idea what's it like Ditto to go running from a urinal as it sprays water! BTW I used to enjoy your posts way back when.
Hope to see you elsewhere.

Nite-all. I'll lurk, but probably not post
Meaning we'll be spared your infantile attempts at HTML.
Version 3.2?
LMAO

LOL Sc. I think it might ahve actually been more serious than that though. There was the smell of fire in the air. As for long posts, I
almost always scroll by at this point.

Euuw glen... urinal water... ?

Thank you ex-glenncarr. I enjoyed reading yours too. Seems like a long time ago.
Watch out for thise urinals! Do you live in CA? What a pain. Glad I moved from the San Fernando Valley to Tucson, AZ -- kind of.

Uhh... Glen... If there's like a fire, maybe you should go... oh.. outside maybe?
Good luck....

Hey, OJ. I hope life treats you well.

I'm on Long Island, ditto
SC: It's one of those urinals with the automatic cleaners in it. It probably went haywire after the electrical short-out. I knew I should
have held it in!

Tissues anyone?
Really there's life after TOL Political BB. Look - you'll find. :)

Hey OJ... I got the new addy off the other thread... your email changes way too often... you have mine tho right?

LOLOL... Hey glen... at least you didn't have an *electric fence* effect... A guy I know did that... thought an electric fence was off... He
got mad cause I was cracking up while he was telling me about whipping it out one minute and laying on his back with it in his
hand gasping for air the next...
His friends were all in a circle crying they were laughing so hard... poor thing almost had tears in his eyes telling me about it...
mean mean Gina.... But, I mean he obviously survived, he was telling me about it...

Surfer
The "other" one you have works also - I just use the "Radio Free Montana" one for 'public' posting is all.

Miss M: Sure there's life outside this dump. But many of us have come to like the others posting here. I've been here 4 years now &
it's shocking to realize that it's no longer going to be here. It's like when they took Room 222 off the air.

G'night folks... have a good one..

I'm just glad that the building's not burning down. And my shoes didn't get any piss on them!

Rm 222?
Nah... more like uh....
Taxi... we yell at each other, too...

Geez, glen... thanks for the mental picture there... *S*
And yeah... glad there's no fire...
Later...

Mary Tyler Moore

Glencarr, so, how do you like Hillary? Does she represent Long Island? Don't know much 'bout NY.

I detest Hilly, ditto. If GWB didn't get elected, I'd be in meltdown. Thank God for miracles, eh?
Lara, it's a long way to Tipperary...

...and, Crimson -- who refuses to talk to me anymore --
DITTO!!!
God, I'm sorry I missed you! BTW, I am not ignoring you. Just on your last thread, *G*, (I don't even remember what it was
about....but that could be age).
I enjoyed seeing you pop up again every now and then with a new thread (even if you did manage to make me just a weeee bit nuts),
and I will miss that. Very much. I don't know if you have my e-mail address, but I'd read that you still keep in touch with Libby and
she has it. Or, I just signed up for one of those hotmail accounts: gwen_elliot@hotmail.com
I would love to hear from you sometime.

Hi Ditto!
I knew you couldn't resist one last go at it. *G*
Nice to see you back in action. And Jared is a very worthy adversary.
We had some great exchanges; some I'll never forget, especially on abortion. I will always remember the great debates between you
and Ancient Wisdom. Those were some of my favorites.
Glad you made it back to say goodbye.

Libby, I liked that one Aussie woman who did a 180 on abortion. Rhianwen. Quite a courageous lady.

Miss M...nope, no need for a tissue. But there are some posters here that I enjoyed reading. Enjoyed responding to. Others I felt
obligated to enlighten. haha You know...the libs.

Huh?? Rhi???? Tell me more!

No, it wasn't Rhiannon. Her name/handle was Rhian-wen & she had been a big pro-abortion type. Somehow, she underwent a
drastic change of opinion.

Glencar, I'm not so sure about that. She started a thread and then abandoned it shortly thereafter. It was strange. I don't know if I
believed her.

Libby, I didn't know her in her pro-abortion phase. But I did recall that quite a few people were shocked at her change of heart. I
wonder what ever happened to her?

Hmmmm. Ditto has posted yet again and refused to address the Presbyterians, which I have now challenged him THRICE to do (and
tonight - not three years ago). Ditto has posted yet again and has failed to respond to any other religion or denomination
whatsoever. Given that asking him direct questions is apparently a total waste of time, I will ask rhetorically - can Dittophile ever
answer a direct question?? All objective analysts are invited to read the past few posts and answer this question. PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE DITTO, will you kindly just type the word "Presbyterian" once!! Will you PLEASE address some other religion other than
LDS'ers? Why won't you do this?? Why, oh why, will you never respond to one single direct challenge?? What is it in your make-up
that does not allow you to discuss one single question that you are asked?? All hangs on your very next post ditto - you will either
address Presbyterians and other religions and denominations or you will not! The world wonders ...
Ditto, I answered your question directly oh so many years ago, but you were apparently WAY too busy avoiding ever mentioning the
word "Presbyterian" and "Kolbe" to notice. To anyone with a passing familiarity with the Sermon on the Mount, Christ indeed said
what you quoted and then he launched into numerous specific examples where he specifically reinterpreted the old covenant in
new and different ways. I am not surprised that you are totally unfamiliar with this lengthy passage because it contains the "raca"
reference which, arguably, is the only reference he even made in the reported scriptures to gays. In fact, the "raca" reference is
DIRECTLY after the portion you quoted. (The raca reference (Matthew 5:22), as you should know, is where Jesus tells us not to label
people as "raca" which some etymologists have taken to mean "effeminate" or "gay", that is, Jesus specifically reinterprets the law of
the prophets relating to gays).
The familiar Sermon on the Mount starts with ditto's reference but then, and some may know this by heart, goes into specific
reinterpretations of the "Law of the Prophets" on adultery (5:27 - he condemns even thinking about it); divorce (5:31); oaths (5:33);
an eye for an eye (5:38); love for enemies (5:43); giving to the needy (6:1); prayer (6:5); fasting (6:16); treasures in heaven (6:19) and
judging (7:1) and I'm leaving out a lot. That is, immediately after the quote from ditto, there is passage after passage after passage
where Jesus lays down new laws/guidance to follow that are quite at variance from the OT and the Mosaic covenant (and perhaps
more close to the Davidic covenant). It is simply impossible to read the Sermon and come away with any other conclusion than Jesus
reinterpreting the "Law of The Prophets" on issue after issue after issue. I honestly don't believe ditto has ever read the Sermon if
he really believes the pabulum above. More likely, he is just using a debating tactic designed to make me actually quote the Sermon
back to him. I suggest that ditto read the entire Sermon (and everyone else) - it is very clear what is going on. Jesus's
"commandments" (actually it's debatable as to their binding character but that's a whole nuther issue) are VERY different from the
descriptions of male shrine prostitution going on in the Mosaic period. To assert that they aren't is just idiotic.
The Sermon on the Mount is from Jesus and directly refutes any and all of ditto's claims. Jesus tells us not to bash people like they did
in the OT and Jesus goes into great detail about other issues as well. For Christians, this should be dispositive as I pointed out to ditto
years ago, but he skipped the post apparently. (Luckily, ditto actually seems to follow Jesus' advice in his behavior, it's just that he
won't admit it in debate).
And as I usually briefly summarize, all of this is encapsulated in "love thy neighbor" which is what gays do (and what Jesus did).
Jesus hung out with adulterers and racas and others because he preached that we should all love them too. Ditto knows this - he just
wants to make me type and type and type for his own gratuitous pleasure.
The fact is that Christianity is a loving religion, as open to gays and lesbians as any religion, including Buddhists, Hindus, most
Moslems, Zorastrians, and everybody else. Most sects and denominations are beginning to recognize this (if they haven't already -
(most Buddhists tell me Christianity is woefully slow on this)and this is a very good thing (as I think ditto agrees).
J

I don't know, glen. I never saw her again after that final thread.

Tell me... does anyone else see the illogic in this...
A bio teacher I know who is rabidly anti abortion claims to base her opinion on the following chain...
That Biology is the *Study of Life*... (yeah, ok)
That for something to be *alive* it has to be able to take in nutrition, grow, respire in some way and reproduce itself... (ok..)
That one celled organisms can do all those things. (Again, yeah ok...)
That *where you have one cell you have life*.... (well... possible but not always...)
That since one celled organisms are alive, and since an egg cell is a one celled organism, then that egg cell is *alive*...
I think that by her logic every woman who doesn't get pregnant this month, and who's body flushes out that egg, is guilty of
murder...
Oh... and egg cells are alive, but she refused to comment on whether sperm cells were...
There is a lack of flow to that logic, do you agree?

Hmmmm. Interesting. I would have dropped dead if it were Rhiannon!
Crimson, I just sent you an e.mail with my Dittophile address. It's good to "see" you gain. I always enjoyed our interchanges -- and
your concern for my run-in with a jumping cactus!
Hi Libby. I just sent you an e.mail too.
I have some good memories of our debates here. It was fun, challenging, enlightening and entertaining -- even OJ. I loved winning
all the time! ROFL
I enjoyed our abortion debates (with and after AW) about "pro-lifestyle-choice", "Unique Human Individual" and, of course, the
striking similarities between slavery and abortion! I loved our heated exchanges in the MANY "how far is too far" threads. I REALLY
loved the threads in which I pissed you all off with my very liberal bad behavior! :)
Oh, and I enjoyed some of the threads you guys started too! :)
Whatever happened to AW? Did he change his name or leave?

I must admit that I grew tres weary of the abortion threads. It got to be the same old rehashing of the same old arguments. I'm just
glad that we now have a President who respects life.

I mean... an egg cell has the potential to be alive... maybe... but then wood has the potential to burn... because it can that doesn't
mean it does...
If some thing has to be able to reproduce to be alive does that mean that those of us who can't have kids aren't alive? Or kids... they
can't reproduce themselves until they are into their second decade... is that when they come to life?
This teacher is not Catholic, btw, but is religious...
She lectures on this in class and kids take notes on her opinion as well...

"I must admit that I grew tres weary of the abortion threads."
I know what you mean, Glenncarr. I enjoied them -- way back when -- but I've avoided them since.

Respects life? maybe...
Later folks.

This is SO unfair!! I spend 30 minutes typing a response and ditto makes nice with everyone while I'm busy!! He's good, I tell you -
he's SO good!
Hi everyone - thanks for visiting my thread!
JBoy

surferchicklet, on the surface it doesn't make complete sense, but if you take it in conjunction with the usual argument, it'll
probably become clear.

Jared, ROFL!
Yes I am!
Dittophile
More Evil Than Satan Herself
Even More Evil Than Libby

Well, Jared, I'm glad you started this thread. I'm a bit sad to see TOL go but I'm sadder still to see certain threads/posters doing the
same old crap.

LIBBY - EVIL? Hehehe....hahahaha...hohohoho....heeheheh

You'd think that that they'd make peace just before death! :)

That's it - no more serious posts for me!! Ditto completely conned me and I am beaten (not substantively, of course, but tactically!)
Yeah sure, everyone is just going to scroll right through my religious missive now! Arrggghhhhhhh!
J

Ditto, I just replied using my 'real' address. But sometimes, I can even manage to screw up cut and paste, so if you get my message, let
me know when you get a minute.

I know I just did.
I tried, I really did, but my eyes glazed over, then crossed, then changed sockets, then when a slight snoring starled me and turned
to see who it was, I realized it was me.

NPR is not bad. I've been welcomed, and provided a link over here so that they could peer into our little world. Seems very
comfortable... very comfortable...

Ditto, yep, lots of good memories. You really knew how to stir the pot and get things going. I remember the very first thread of
yours, I was on, when I first came here. It was a thread on legalizing prostitution. It was great. You had all of these wonderful
colorful charts and stuff....typical Dittophile style. *G* Bill Munz and I argued with you til we were blue in the face, but you never
gave an inch! (Also typical Dittophile! lol)..Yep, lots of good memories.

Jared: as far as I am concerned, you are one the brightest people to come around here and I do hope you are joking when you say
you think i hate you! CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE! LOL (whatever gave you that idea?) I disagreed strongly (still do) on what went down
with NATO at that time. But NEVER think that I disliked you in the slightest, then, now, or forever! ; 0 )

Ohhhh Jared, you and your Dittophile arguments. You know darn well, his ego is way too enormous to ever admit he was in error.
But, you do have fun.

You are so happy in your memories.....
I am reluctant to post this.
Remember the US Constitution
Remember the gratuitous bombings of Kosovo
Remember the children who died in Oklahoma City (the case has not been resolved)
Remember the various "gates" which our country endured during the life of TOL
Remember America the way she was 40 years ago--a decent place to raise children
Remember Waco and the anquish of this event and still we are not resolved.....
Remember millions and millions of dollars spent by a president who said he cared about the poor and the oppressed
Remember the dumbing down of our school children and their being forced into to submission using drugs
Remember life before we had to deal with the purposeful destruction of a viable baby via partial-birth abortion
Remember your parents now before we decide that the elderly should be put to death via humane means
Remember riding your bikes to school, and the leaves in spring, and the world was right....
Keep our country free. Stop arguing against our heritage, Stop funding those who wish to destroy us.
Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.....You have good in your hearts. Honor that good.

Caity Mahoney
Barbara Wise
Ron Brown
Vince Foster
Sandy Hume
among others come to mind

Is that a list of the people involved in your sexual fantasies?

Hardly.
But you know better...

Remember America the way she was 40 years ago--a decent place to raise children
The 1960s?
Dude!!!!!

early 60's perhaps--I was in grade school...

Two words:
Nuck Fewt

Remember America the way she was 40 years ago--a decent place to raise children
You mean like running and jumping under your desk in "atomic-war drills" - getting in a fetal position and learning how to kiss
your ass good-bye?
God these Conserva-Nazis are f*ckin' stupid.
In her case the reason she has such fond memories of those days is that it was the last time she was able to see her feet - and looking
over her gut even then made it a challenge. The addition of 150 lbs probably didn't help.
OTOH - it would help her find a Conserva-Nazi husband - they like their women fat, dumb and ugly - just like their mothers.

Light the corners...
Clinton via his FBI planned OKC perhaps and on Fox News the new testimony came to light last night. Smoke that one for a
while....the FBI knew. They covered up the other connections to the bombing...
But see, you guys are so remotely unaware of what has transpired...don't you want to know the truth?
I guess not....

Adios...Hasta la vista...

early 60's perhaps--I was in grade school...
People so often seem to like the world as it was when they were children, no matter when that was. Oh, the innocence of youth.

Clinton via his FBI planned OKC perhaps and on Fox News the new testimony came to light last night. Smoke that one for a
while....the FBI knew. They covered up the other connections to the bombing...
Oh jeez.
I don't think I'll miss the nutballs. Maybe someday, but not right away.

Fauforde
Maybe someday, but not right away
Probably because I'm a little older than you - but I've heard enough of these freaks - starting over 36 years ago with the John Birch
Society and their claims that flouride in drinking water was a Communist plot to take over America.
And that was one of their more lucid positions - FOX-News is borne out of that "mentality" - go figure.

Honest OJ, don't they just scare you a little bit?

Oregon Jim:
Have you left your e-mail address anywhere?

Anton
Here's my 'public' e-mail: radio_free_montana@hotmail.com
How's that new G4 with 1.5 GIGs RAM? A real screamer I'll bet.
BTW - do you use any of Adobe's products?
stmag
No kidding - real freaks.

Jolly!! Of course it was a joke! - I've just been relentlessly baiting everyone to try to make this thread not die.:-) Like that
tremendously arrogant Blue Lime who continues to boycott for no apparent reason. Hey, how'd you like dittophile and me last
night?? Any pleasant or not-so-pleasant memories?? Nice to see you!
And that twillard, who wouldn't know a statistically significant poll if it was a bear and it bit him!
Anyone, and I mean anyone, who opposed NATO is a gravy-sucking pig!
J

And Anton! Yeah, like he knows something about initiative and referenda! (Uh, actually, that's one of my least faves - I started this
great thread which he ignored and he started his own and guess which one took off and which one was ignored??!!)
J

Fauforde, yeah, last night was just like old times with the dittomeister. I, of course, enjoyed it immensely until his tactical maneuver
left me biting his dust!
J

And where is bacchus??!! Just because he doesn't know the intimate detailed history of the ratification/accession to the Atlantic
Charter (and specifically regarding Yugoslavia), he must hate me big time!
J

jared:
What are you talking about? What thread did I start that was "ignored"?
Are you talking about the present or the past?
And where can I send you copies of newspaper coverage of my public involvement in the Initiative and Referendum process in
Massachusetts where I live?

You know, Jared, Tirebiter once explained the Dittophile Arguing Style, I have it somewhere, maybe I could post it here and you can
see if your argument with D follows.
I have it saved somewhere because it was so darn accurate.....

Fau, unfortunatly, I am now convinced that ditto is not Rush. Noone who got into like we did last night would fail to allude to it on his
radio show (as Rush has so far failed to do), so now I think ditto is David Limbaugh, Rush's bro. I'm seriously bummed, and Anton
going off on me has just added to my woes.
I am JOKING guys!
J

Jared:
Bad me. I am all too sensitive.
In fact, I archived my threads on term limits, the impeachment only because I spent many hours researching, and I believe I
counted over 5000 posts, going back to January, 1997.
Your thread here is quite enjoyable and clearly you are a great judge of people and character. LOL.

Oregon Jim:
Yep the G4 smokes. Have a few problems. Since I installed 9.1 it doesn't sleep automatically.
But my OS X comes next week and will see what that does.

Oh goody, Anton. I hope you saved my impeachment posts. Learn from them...

Here it is, I found it.
It's developed by Tirebiter, and I hope he doesn't mind that I repost it here...it is a good Memory....
This actually gives us a rather useful perspective on how Rusty Limbaugh himself would act, were he to ever allow himself to be
confronted with a reasoned rebuttal to his "arguments".
While I would never suggest that Ditto has the intelligence nor the savvy to do Mr. Limbaugh justice, he has appropriated some of
the PigHead's style.
First, and of key importance, is to frame an argument around an anecdote. Ditto has even helped to establish that the anecdote need
not be true. But the argument must be based upon an emotional construct that proves that the intended audience has been slighted.
Next, when challenged, demand that the challenger accept his nefarious participation in the evil construct.
If the challenger refuses to participate, start flinging epithets. "Fights like a girl" is a good one, as Ditto (and, likely Rusty) has
heard it, and been deeply hurt by it, all of his life.
If the challenger challenges the argument itself, accuse the challenger of avoiding the issue by not accepting responsibility.
If the challenger challenges the anecdote, demand an apology for being called a liar. It's always useful to suggest that the
challenger is the liar for calling the source a liar.
If the challenger challenges the source of the anecdote, or the argument, belittle the challenger for not doing his research, even if
said research can only be derived from the same dubious source.
If the challenger finally gives up on the useless exercise, call the challenger a coward. The whole point of the exercise is to win, so
as to prove to the intended audience that the construct was true, and that the challenger is a participant.
At all points along the "debate", declare victory. Making buzzer sounds helps to add a realistic flair, especially amongst those in the
audience who need cues.
Keep score. And insist on the proper order. If the challenger demands an answer, remind the challenger that he has never
provided an adequate response to any of several challenges himself, even if the challenges are spurious, or have been answered.
Always remind the audience that the challenger is avoiding something, even if he is not. If the challenger denies that he has
avoided challenges, add this to the litany of deflections.
There's more to come, BTW, including denying having said something, even if you've said it, and, of course, the classic "I was only
kidding/using hyperbole/making a fool of you" when denial won't cut it.

Anton, thanks! See what I mean. Susie was the only poster to visit my iniative thread (cause she's so kind and nice and sensitive to
my feelings) and Silver Fox was the only one to visit my banking law reform thread (because he hated the very idea of even
discussing the issue) and I could go on and on. The only way I get people to visit my threads is to relentlessly bait them until they
can't resist!
faufordemeister, I would be interested in any decriptions of the ditto arguing style, but as I think I summarized last night (while I
was in my serious gay religious zealot mode), his primary tactic is to never let the words "Presbyterian" or "Kolbe" ever either
escape from his lips or from his typing!
J

Yep. Sounds like Ditto hasn't changed much.

Shhh fauforde, some might accuse me of actually using some of those tactics myself! High school and college debating was fun and
highly useful for boards like this!
J

Here ya go. My earliest post that I have archived:
"Message: BBA Author: Anton (suston@cape.com) Date: Jan 19 1997 8:15AM
An excellent and well focused discussion. I hope it stays that way.
As some have already suggested, it takes 218 vote in the House to balance the budget. The responsibility and the challenge is with the
Congress.Again, as someone has suggested, if they can't or won't do it, let's get others whowill or can.
I hope everyone in this discussion has seen a copy of the proposed amendment. It's last year's warmed over but it still does not
balance the budget! And it insidiously does something that does not belong in a representative democracy, or at the very least,
should be used as seldomly as possible - the concept of the super-majority. This would end majority rule as we know it and give
unprecedented power to struggling minority parties.
Term Limits, Balanced Budget Amendment, both designed and intended to cripple the people's branch, the Congress. As some have
pointed out already. such an impotent legislature will leave power in the Executive and the Judiciary. Is this democracy?
Or perhaps, after more than two hundred years, we are finding that representative democracy just doesn't work for us."
Damn was I verbose, or what? I am glad I got over that.
(BBA was the Balanced Budget Amendment topic. I don't think I started it. Maybe I did. May have been one my early hi-jackings).

Verbose?? Nah... I'd say you were overly wordy and redundant and perhaps a bit prolix, but definetly not verbose!
Hey, I'm the one accused of authoring War and Peace tomes that everyone just scrolls through!
J

You people actually ARCHIVE your posts???
WOW!!!

Anyone remember Eloriel?
She did a real nice job on the THEOCRACY IN AMERICA thread. Tough, well-reasoned posts ... no juvenile personal crap. Here for a few
months ... and then gone.

Prolix?
Yeah, that too.
Herb:
As I stated, I archived my threads that contained much research and excellent content from a number of people who debated the
topics.
All good stuff for a book or two I have in the planning stages right now.

You people actually archive your posts???
WOW!!!
Who does?

Uh, I should mention that I am currently researching/writing a book on a totally unrelated topic which I will not disclose to anyone
for now, but you all better buy and read it when it is published in about two years! If anyone